Talk:Second City Television

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"As one chronicler has noted, the TV station concept gave the show the ability to parody virtually any TV genre, as well as advertising."

Is this worth noting? I wouldn't say this "ability to parody any TV genre" sets it apart in any way. SNL has the exact same ability.

Yes, but in a qualitatively different way. SNL is a "loose premise." They throw out sketches of any type and on any subject. SCTV is a tight premise -- they _are_ a TV show, and as a result, their TV and genre parodies fit into a broader framework. It's the difference between parodying a television show, and parodying a television _station,_ which then leads to parodying all of television. Eric Burns

[edit] Groundskeeper Willy

You do realize that the article is wrong, correct?

"According to The Simpsons’ original producer, Al Jean, the writers were in favour of a “yumpin’, yiminy” type (drawing inspiration perhaps from the Swedish chef in The Muppets). “But then someone thought it would be funnier if he was Scottish."

Not true. Listen to the DVD Commentary for Principal Charming. In it, the shows producers - INCLUDING Al Jean - say that he was just written as a generic angry janitor and Dan Castellaneta used multiple voices (Scottish, Swedish, Spanish, etc) and they simply thought the Scottish voice fit better. And, not once in the cited article does it say that Castellaneta based Willy on him. That phrase is pure speculation and we can't add every single minor influence SCTV has potentially had. And, both Dave Thomas and Dan Castellaneta did the commentary for Homer Vs. The Eighteenth Ammendment - an episode that contains Willy - and not once is Angus Crock mentioned. -- Scorpion0422 01:35, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Nowhere in the information that you keep reverting is the claim made that the writers or creators of the Simpsons based the character Willie on this skit. The claim is that Castellaneta used the SCTV character as an inspiration for the way he portrays Willie. This is sourced to an interwiew with Castellaneta himself. Just because this is not mentioned by Castellaneta in the commentary of 1 episode on DVD does not make it not true. Do you have a source that contradicts this or have you just not heard this before and don't believe it?L0b0t 23:36, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Alright fine. You go around deleting "useless" trivia out of random articles that you know nothing about, and yet you support this random (and false) piece of trivia that really doesn't matter. -- Scorpion0422 23:57, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

This is sourced to Castellaneta himself. What about this is false? L0b0t 00:15, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

No it doesn't. It just has an unsourced quote. Besides, the article is wrong and misquotes in several places, thus making it a bad source. -- Scorpion0422 00:19, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

What is unsourced it is a newpaper article? Again, do you have a source that contradicts this claim? If you do, let's see it and this will be over. L0b0t 00:51, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and I love the fact that I'm being bashed on alt.tv.sctv over this. -- Scorpion0422 14:05, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

So, find a source that backs up your claim. L0b0t 14:20, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm tired of fighting you on this. You very clearly have no idea what your talking about and you merely reverted my edits because I keep reverting your trivia clearing. I've listened to many DVD commentaries, I've read many Simpsons books, I've read profiles that detail exactly who each character is based on, and not once have I seen Angus Crocks name. But, I'm finished. If having that one line is so important, then keep it. -- Scorpion0422 14:24, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Please, assume good faith. This has nothing whatsoever to do with any article other than this one. The information in question here is sourced, see WP:RS and WP:V, the standard here at Wikipedia is verifiability not truth. So far all you have offered as a rebuttal is your claim that you have watched The Simpsons, and read books about The Simpsons and you have not heard this information so it can't be true. I'm sorry young man that is just not good enough. Nowhere in the SCTV article is the claim being made that the character Willie is based on Angus, but rather that the characterization Mr. Castellaneta brings to the role (accent, delivery, motivation) is inspired by Angus. If you have a source that contradicts this, then by all means let's see it. I really don't understand why conforming to policy is seen as such a chore. L0b0t 15:09, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Canadian National Anthem

They couldn't secure the rights for the Canadian National Anthem? Is that a joke? -- Hugo Dufort 07:51, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

It's not just O Canada, there's also bits of songs by Anne Murray, Joni Mitchell, Neil Young, Lorne Greene, and Stompin' Tom Connors in there. And oddly enough, in addition to these Canadian artists, a small portion of "The End" by The Beatles can be heard near the end of the anthem. -- CODOR 17:04, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm having trouble believing O Canada isn't public domain. It's an old song. Any copyright must have expired by now. Otherwise, who owns the rights? The government? The Canadian people? Freshacconci 18:57, 16 January 2007 (UTC)