Talk:Segway PT
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[edit] Heavy trucks
When the postal workers were polled on whether they preferred Segway to a heavy truck, how many were asked about other choices, such as a light truck? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jim.henderson (talk • contribs) 19:34, 23 January 2007 (UTC).
Excellent. So, it wasn't a large ten ton truck but a small standard Post Office truck. Now the question is, who runs 25 MPH / 40 KmPH? Not average people, as claimed in the preamble, nor Segway, I think. Jim.henderson 16:52, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Bans
Removed New York State ban information. Claims about Segways and especially bicycles proven false with search of NYS law. You may reference the applicable laws regarding bicycles here. Added fact tags for uncited ban claims. Vassyana 10:21, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
- See [1] for the New York Segway use ban. As for bicycles, you are quite right; they are not banned. Conservatives (including the owners of the site) have been trying to ban sale of Segways, to back up the use ban. Liberals have been trying to relax or end the use ban. Neither effort has thus far succeeded, so for now, you can buy a Segway but can only use it on private premises. Jim.henderson 15:38, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
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- First, that is a law specific to New York City not to New York State as you restored it. Please provide citation from the State that such devices are illegal off private property in the State if you wish to assert it is so. (Please reference "burden of proof" in the Wikipedia references standards.) Also, I am vastly disappointed in your decision to remove the fact tags and unsourced tag without discussion or reason. I am restoring them. If you wish them to be removed, please discuss it first. This article is filled with factoids and numbers lacking proper citation. Additionally, the Introduction passed by NYC specifically excludes Segways by definition in the passed law. "For the purposes of this section, the term motorized scooter shall not include wheelchairs or other mobility aids designed for use by disabled persons, electric powered devices not capable of exceeding fifteen miles per hour or 'electric personal assistive mobility devices' defined as self-balancing, two non-tandem wheeled devices designed to transport one person by means of an electric propulsion system." As such, I am removing the material I previous removed backed by this clear reference. In the future, please discuss reverts (or at least provide some explanation in the edit summary) and be sure to verify references to public law. Vassyana 01:03, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Didn't read the link before deleting it, eh? Fine; here's a cut and paste:
- Segway is gyroscope-stabilized, meaning it remains upright even at a complete stop, Mr. Dailida said.
- Didn't read the link before deleting it, eh? Fine; here's a cut and paste:
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- Like most states, New York defines the Segway HT as a motor vehicle, meaning it is automatically banned from sidewalks. But it doesn't fit the state Vehicle & Traffic Law's requirements for vehicles that may operate on public streets and highways, said a spokesman for the Department of Motor Vehicles, Matthew Burns. The device falls into the category of vehicles, such as motorized skateboards, that are legal to drive only on private property, he said.
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- Neither the DMV nor the governor has taken a position on whether state law should accommodate the devices, officials said.
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- Or, to summarize, NYC is the part of NYS in which the company is most interested, but State law is what has to be changed to permit Segway on public streets or sidewalks. To be allowed on sidewalks, it must be removed from the class of motor vehicles. To be allowed in streets, it must be included either in a class of vehicle that needs no permit (like bicycles) or in a class that can get a permit (such as motorcycles). As of now, it is effectively banned. The one bright spot is, politicians and cops aren't much interested in the law in this matter. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jim.henderson (talk • contribs) 02:18, 31 January 2007 (UTC).
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- Please provide a reference from New York State law which provides a definition which includes Segways as prohibited vehicles. As I had mentioned, if you wish to assert this, all I want is a proper reference. I would additionally point out that the reference you provided above is directly about the NYC law I cited above. Also, why did you removed the unreferenced and fact tags without discussion? Vassyana 02:38, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
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- I did some further research. They do seem to be prohibited for sidewalk use, except in NYC. (NYC is quite literally in many instances akin to another state often with differing legalities than New York State. It is a complicated relationship and the subject of entire law classes unto itself.) Their legally on public roads seems to be a matter of local governance, as the state does not provide for their legality one way or the other. Additionally, they are specifically exempt from classification as motor vehicles if operated by a person with disability. The standard of disability for this section is considerably looser than for example being issued disabled tags from the DMV, requiring only a doctor's note asserting some form of disability or impairment which an electric motorized device would assist or alleviate. I will continue researching the matter until I am satisfied I have found accurate clear information covering the subject at hand. Vassyana 03:33, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Needs citations
Many claims, numbers and "facts" without citations fill this article. References need to be provided and properly cited, as per Wikipedia standards. Please do not remove this tag without discussion and consensus. Vassyana 01:14, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Speed Claims
I don't understand why people keep removing the speed claims on occasion based on running speed. The article is not saying people run that fast, but rather that's how fast a Segway goes. Vassyana 20:28, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
- Segway LLC programatically limits their machine to a top speed of 12.5 mph. There are many inquiries by Segway owners and the curious on means to defeat this limit. To date, there does not appear to be a way for consumers to defeat the limit except by replacing the stock wheels with a larger diameter wheel to gain mechanical speed advantage. Toybuilder 8:48, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Release
Someone commented an entire year ago that this article doesn't convey the media circus that attended the segway's release, and the subsequent enormous letdown. I know it may seem POV to talk about this, but let's be honest, the unfavorable circumstance release is a significant part of the thing's history, and it can certainly be sourced.-Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 03:57, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Segway Inspired Vehicles
Should there be mention of Segway inspired designs where the operator is standing up? There is the Q Electric Chariot which appears to be well known; I also personally have seen a much larger similar "standing scooter" at Los Angeles International Airport (LAX). Toybuilder 20:56, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] "True" unveiling
Although the segway got its official (fan-fare) public unveiling in 2001, it was first offered to a public audience, albeit limited, at the closing ceremonies of the 2000 FIRST robotics National Championship at Epcot Center, Walt Disney World, Orlando, FL. Dean Kamen and Woody Flowers appeared on the vehicle at the beginning of the festivities. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.192.175.72 (talk) 06:13, 6 March 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Obsolete
The segway uses 5 mechanical gyros, which is very 19th century tech. Why not laser gyros (glassblock or fiber loop type). that would be moder and cool. Also, North Korea and iran would buy a lot of Segways to harvest the laser gyros and use them in missiles. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.131.210.162 (talk) 10:14, 21 March 2007 (UTC).
