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Contents 1 Early Operas 2 Link problem 3 Russian name 4 Lina 5 His picture 6 The pieces he is most known for. 7 More Left? 8 Music 9 Transliteration of father's name

[edit] Early Operas

I'm going to slightly alter a the information on his early operas, as I have a source and more information than is offered at the moment. Ian

[edit] Link problem

In the list of compositions, I wrote: [Piano Sonata]s

It fails to link to the [Piano Sonata] article. erl 216.19.218.50 20:19, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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This page says a lot about his early life, gets to the first symphony, and then more or less ends, and announces his death. How about all the music??! --Tb 05:17 27 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Yes, I am sorry about this, I started writing this article a long time ago and never got around to finishing it. It's a translation of an essay I wrote for school which I thought I had lost, but I found it today and finished the translation. Hope you like it although it is rough. I'd love it if someone with a good grasp of english went through it and brushed up the language. --Jofo 03 October 2003

I've had a quick pass through it. I've a question: when you write "He reaffirmed his contacts with the russian ballet and with Stravinsky" do you mean Diaghilev's Ballets Russes by "russian ballet", or just the Russian ballet scene in general? It sounds like a could be something you translated that didn't really need translating ;) Good work on this, by the way. --Camembert

What I meant was the Ballets Russes, thanks for pointing that out. I've changed that and added a link. /Jofo

[edit] Russian name

Something about his name: Are you really sure these accents are written in Russian??! This Russian page doesn't write his name with any accents: http://staratel.com/music/classic/composers/photo1079.htm

Is there anyone with perfect Russian knowledge and can tell me whether those odd accents can be safely removed? I don't want to do it without discussing this before. -andy

It's simple stress-marks (lexical stress, one in each word). In Russian they are written only in some dictionaries, some children's books and in textbooks for people studying Russian language. --.:Ajvol:. 20:59, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The stress marks are NOT part of the official orthography. It's just that the placement of the stress in Russian words is often difficult to predict, and so for the assistance of learners stress marks are often inserted in pedagogical texts, as Ajvol says. However as this is an encyclopedia, not a primer on how to pronounce foreign words, I would leave the stress marks OUT. This is a very different situation from the Scandinavian languages, Hungarian, French, Vietnamese, Czech, Polish and some other languages, where the diacritical marks are absolutely part of the letter. Do svidaniya JackofOz 22:26, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the answers.

Well, I'd rather switch to underlined vowels instead. Or mark the stressed vowels in italics, or, or ... But DO get rid of those accents. Please consider that Greek readers knowing Russian might be confused by this, as for Greeks accents ARE part of the official language, not just for foreigners in newspapers :) In Russian this confirmedly IS NOT part of the language, and thus should be removed. -andy

Hum ... me once again. I found a lot of Russians that write their name as Prokof'ev. This is very good, as the ' perfectly denotes the existence of a mellowing sign (looking similar to a small b, but with a bigger belly :)) after the 'f'. Maybe this alternative writing could also be integrated into the site, or even aliased for redirection. My 2c. -andy

I propose to keep the accents. They might be confusing to Greeks but they are very helpful to many non-native Russian readers (giving the name in cyrillic including accent marks is roughly equivalent to giving the IPA transcription). Moreover, when stress is marked in Russian, it is common practice to do so with accents (and not underlined or italic or...). See for example this russian wikipedia article where stress is marked on the last name since it is not obvious (Ivanov usually has the stress on the last syllable, but in this case on the second). Greetings. --Lenthe 09:25, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. :/ Someone has put the accents in again. Please people, MAKE UP YOUR MIND thanks. -andy 80.129.98.104 19:33, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

I have a problem with the final alternate spelling: Profevjew? I am a fluent speaker and the only verisimilitude I find here with the Russian tongue is its long standing history with anti-semitism. Can someone please demonstrate the -jew ending had merit?

[edit] Lina

I have added a brief para on Lina's later years and death, but not sure if this is POV - I did know her, but the assertion about paranoia is also supported by writers elsewhere e.g. Downes. Because the gist has been asserted elsewhere I don't think it's an invasion of privacy. Barnabypage 01:23, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] His picture

Couldn't there be a little better picture to represent him? This one is a little too funny.

[edit] The pieces he is most known for.

Does anyone know the pieces that Prokofiev is most known for.

Thanks in advance,

Michael

- well among his most popular are

piano works I would say his toccata, and his first piano concerto
- then would be his opera "The love for three oranges"

- also, of course his "Peter and the Wolf" suite at the end it mentions that when stalin dies his wife is let out.... but he dies on the same day as stalin. How does that work?

- Piano Concerto No. 3 is undoubtely one of his most famous and recorded works. I remember reading somewhere there are more than seventy different interpretations of it already recorded. M Marcondes de Freitas 01:51, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to add that his Symphony No. 5 is most popular. So is everybody else's Symph 5, I guess, except Brahms, of course, who never got to it. Lazy bastard. Reggie Rueffer, Arlington, Tx Reggierueffer@sbcglobal.net 00:22, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

I think Romeo And Juliet is his most memorable. Especially the Dance of the Knights.

And let us not forget the venerable War Sonatas.

[edit] More Left?

I checked Political Compass and actually Bartok & Schonberg were more social left than Prokofiev. Although Prokofiev was more economically left than both. http://politicalcompass.jpagel.net/composersNicholasPrakash 19:23, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Music

There are sections on Prokofiev's biography and works, however there is no section which describes the style of his music. It is suggested such a section is added (Music) and the list of works be moved to a new page (List of compositions by Sergei Prokofiev).

[edit] Transliteration of father's name

It's a feeling thing, but I'd prefer Sergeyevitch instead of simple ch. OK, I know whom you're thinking about: Milla Jovovich, who has the -ch too. :) But the ч feels harder than an "ordinary" "ch", so I'd prefer to have the t in. -andy 80.129.121.7 23:35, 7 March 2007 (UTC)