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Contents 1 Thanks! 2 3RR 3 References 4 Edit wars are considered harmful 5 To Add 6 Media of the Armenian Diaspora 6.1 Newspapers 6.2 Radio 6.3 Television 6.4 Magazines 7 Nixer at the administrators' noticeboard 8 Thaddeus 9 Traditional Armenian Orthography 10 Your edit to Traditional Armenian Orthography 11 Բարեւ 12 Operation Nemesis 13 Armenian youth today 14 Eupator gave me link to Vahan Kurkjian, he mentions Hurri-Mitanni kingdom of Armenia 15 Re: Aram (film) 16 Reply 17 Njdeh 18 Armenian Genocide 19 Thank You Serouj 20 Grammar 21 Look at my sources and references (Historians) 21.1 Vyacheslav Ivanov 21.2 E. A. Speiser 21.3 Jacquetta Hawkes 21.4 M.Chahin 22 I have more references on my page 23 Didnt respond right or you didnt read my response? 24 Regarding the X(Kh) and H sounds in Armenian 25 Trivia 26 Կարծիք 27 Article in need of cleanup - please assist if you can 28 Halley's Comet 29 Happy New Year! 30 Request for Image:Jounieh Bay.jpg Sharing 31 Civility 32 Comments 33 Hrant Dink video 34 Orphaned fair use image (Image:Adblockplus.png) 35 Name

[edit] Thanks!

Thanks for your help regarding the Lachin article. Kindest regards, Clevelander 02:30, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 3RR

You chose to ignore 3RR, despite my friendly warning. I'm forced to report it.--Eupator 00:24, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not going to dignify that with a response. Please read WP:CIVIL and WP:No personal attacks--Eupator 00:40, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Great, now you decide to discuss this...The quote was made when he was the speaker, thus he was speaking on behalf of the government. Besides, that is the official position of the government. It's a law. See the language laws: http://www.parliament.am/legislation.php?sel=show&ID=1793&lang=eng The quote was not attributed as academic work, it was attributed correctly. We need to display that it is indeed an extremist view, shuned by the public and opposed by the government. Wikipedia is NOT Brittanica. Your recent additions such as "Soviet orthography" now lead me to dispute the neutrality, there is an awful lot of undue weight in the article for that very fringe and radical, religious extremist pov.--Eupator 02:23, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

>> Eupator: Besides, that is the official position of the government. It's a law. See the language laws: http://www.parliament.am/legislation.php?sel=show&ID=1793&lang=eng

Show me. I only see, "The Republic of Armenia shall promote unification of orthography of the Armenian language." This doesn't mention whether they intend to keep the soviet reforms of the 1920s; it only states an action item.Serouj 02:34, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

You know very well what that means. As for 3RR, any change of my additions that I do not agree with is a revert, what you did in this case was a partial revert which is still against Wikipedia policies when you exceed 3. I gave you the link to read, which you obviously didn't! --Eupator 02:37, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

>> Eupator: You know very well what that means.

Again, the law states the Republic of Armenia's intent on creating a unified orthography of the Armenian language. The Republic of Armenia, as yet, has not unified the orthography and therefore you don't see a link to any document on any specifics of that unified orthography. We both know that de facto the Armenian government has been using the Reformed spelling; it is not the law, though.Serouj 03:02, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

BTW, that 3RR was unnecessary, because I moved your quote to a new section; it wasn't a revert.Serouj 02:34, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Any change of my additions that I do not agree with is a revert, what you did in this case was a partial revert which is still against Wikipedia policies when you exceed 3. I gave you the link to read, which you obviously didn't! --Eupator 02:37, 18 November 2006 (UTC

>> Eupator: The quote was made when he was the speaker, thus he was speaking on behalf of the government.

Although the quote may have been made when he was a speaker, it is the speaker's own, individual opinion. The question asked to him is, "What do you think about the issue of the common Armenian orthography?" If he was speaking on behalf of the government, the question directed to him would have been, "What is the government's stance on the Armenian orthography?" Indeed, this issue is an active debate today in Armenia, and the government has not come up with a stance yet (please see AZG Armenian Daily #228, 14/12/2005). Cheers! And take it easy.Serouj 02:42, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

>> Eupator: We need to display that it is indeed an extremist view, shuned by the public and opposed by the government.

Eupator, this is clearly not the case - it's not an extremist view. We've already shown that it's an active debate in the political scene in Armenia (see the AZG article referenced above). I don't think a Professor of Linguistics and former director of the Matenadaran Institute (Levon Khacheryan), the Gandzasar Theological Center, nor the Armenian Relief Society represent "extremist" views. As there is an active political debate, both sides bring forth their valid concerns. Serouj 02:50, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

>> Eupator: Your recent additions such as "Soviet orthography" now lead me to dispute the neutrality, there is an awful lot of undue weight in the article for that very fringe and radical, religious extremist pov.

I'm only mentioning the fact that "soviet orthography" is another commonly used term for the same thing - Reformed spelling. I don't think it's condoning this or that opinion. As argued above, this is a legitimate political debate in modern Armenia, and not an extreme point of view. Cheers!Serouj 02:54, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

That's just wishful thinking. The AZG article clearly shows that the event was organized by foreigners with the majority of the participants also being foreigners. 9 out of 10 people in Armenia are not even aware that there is another version of spelling. How can you call this an active political debate? The flag and that God awful anthem will be changed ten times over before anyone even listens to this fringe movement without laughing. The movement to change the anthem is an active political debate not this delirium.--Eupator 03:00, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

>> Eupator: 9 out of 10 people in Armenia are not even aware that there is another version of spelling.

That only shows a lack of education and awareness.Serouj 03:07, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

>> Eupator: How can you call this an active political debate?

It is what it is - a political debate.Serouj 03:07, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

>> Eupator: The flag and that God awful anthem will be changed ten times over before anyone even listens to this fringe movement without laughing. The movement to change the anthem is an active political debate not this delirium.

You're most certainly entitled to your opinion.Serouj 03:07, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Most people wish they had such a high level of education and literacy rate. Which politicians are debating this? Where are the proposed or passed resolutions? Anyone can separate my opinion from the facts with ease.--Eupator 03:13, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't know as yet. Maybe a Google search can turn up results, though.Regards.Serouj 03:21, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Fortunately for us you have 24 hours to learn and come back.--Eupator 03:25, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

That was quite a diminutive comment. You have as much reason (if any) to produce these results as I do. I've already shown what "the law" is: it does not enforce Reformed spelling, nor does it enforce Classical; rather, it states its intent to resolve the issue in a future time. Cheers.Serouj 03:36, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

You're confused now. The response was regarding your "political debate" dubious allegations and the aforementioned "google check". Good luck with that. As for the law, it enforces what's currently used. --Eupator 04:18, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

No my friend; no "confusion" here. The facts speak for themselves. I think you have lost this debate. Cheers!Serouj 04:52, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

You need to do a little less of that sort of "thinking" and try to be a little more useful.--Eupator 05:07, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Please stop the diminutive remarks; they're counterproductive. Յարգէ՛ որ յարգուիս։Serouj 08:18, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

"There might be a decision to set up a commission to undertake once and for all the orthography issue." - Vartan Oskanian, Foreign Minister of Armenia.^[1] There you have it - the foreign minister of Armenia himself says the issue is as yet unresolved as far as the Armenian government is concerned. Case closed.Serouj 06:47, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

>> Eupator: The AZG article clearly shows that the event was organized by foreigners with the majority of the participants also being foreigners.

Please be more thoughtful. They're not "foreigners"; they're Armenians, just like you. And you owe the existence of the state of Armenia (at least 50% of that effort) to those "foreigners," because they helped create the first Republic of Armenia, without which today's Armenia would not exist.Serouj 03:18, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

You're getting emotional now and it's not helping your case. Anyone who is not a citizen of ROA is a foreigner, regardless of their ethnic origin. It's a country not a club house. Those that established the DRA could not have been foreigners if they created the DRA. Very simple logic.--Eupator 03:24, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

This particular thread (starting from "Eupator: The AZG article clear...") is an aside, and not part of "my case," therefore, emotions are OK here :). As I see it, Armenians who haven't lived in the Republic of Armenia but have been actively involved in their community in the Diaspora are not "foreigners" to Armenia and should be welcome in Armenia; after all, both "sides" are working for the same cause, and it is in the best interest for both to be working together. It might be better to refer to them as "Diasporan Armenians," not "foreigners," with some ulterior motive working against the cause. (That's just my opinion.) Take care. Serouj 03:31, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I think it's obvious that personal opinions are irrelevant here, I for one am not interested in yours.--Eupator 04:18, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

You're entitled to your free will!Serouj 04:54, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Something I found interesting: "...It uses the traditional Belarusian orthography, which was changed by decree under Joseph Stalin's regime in 1933."^[2] Apparently, Armenia wasn't the only victim...Serouj 07:22, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I think that the Armenian Diaspora Conferences in Yerevan (all three) should be mentioned (in passing) in the article, as it is one of the venues where orthography is being discussed.^[3]Serouj 07:37, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] References

[edit] Edit wars are considered harmful

Even if your content is justified, it's better to discuss changes on the talk page (or let other members of the community handle it). I've had to block you for 24 hours for your 3RR violation on Spelling reform of the Armenian language 1922-1924. Khoikhoi 02:18, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Khoikhoi, if you look carefully, my 3rd edit was not a revert. It reorganized the article to keep the disgruntled party's (Eupator's) content in, but reorganized it. Please remove this ban.Serouj 02:36, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Here's what I counted: first revert, second revert, third revert, fourth revert. Khoikhoi 04:39, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

The first in the above list, doesn't have to do with the last 3. The last edit is not a revert. Notice that contents from one section are moved (unchanged) to a new section called "Opinions." You therefore end up with two reverts. Cheers.Serouj 04:51, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

They don't have to be the same. Please note that a revert is to undo another user's edits in whole or part. Also, even if you didn't break 3RR, you were still edit warring, which is not a good idea. I suggest that you try following the one-revert rule, or at least make an effort to discuss first, then revert. Khoikhoi 04:54, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] To Add

• Coordinates of (active) Armenian Monastery in Bikfaya, Lebanon: 33°54′58.57″N, 35°39′46.42″E
• Coordinates of Armenian Genocide Memorial in Bikfaya, Lebanon: 33°54′56.76″N, 35°39′46.36″E

[edit] Media of the Armenian Diaspora

[edit] Newspapers

• The Armenian Weekly, Boston, MA (1899).
• Horizon Weekly, Montreal, Canada (1979).
• Aztag, Beirut, Lebanon.
• Alik, Tehran, Iran.
• Asbarez, Los Angeles, CA.
• Agos, Istanbul, Turkey.

[edit] Radio

• Voice of Van, Beirut, Lebanon.

[edit] Television

• Horizon Television, Glendale, CA.

[edit] Magazines

[edit] Nixer at the administrators' noticeboard

I think you should know you're being discussed here.--Euthymios 20:04, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thaddeus

Is Թադէոս in Grabar [1].--Eupator 02:40, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, and the regular (long) way of saying the name. Թադէ is the shorter version (probably like Mike and Michael. I'll add it to the Thaddeus article with a note. Regards.Serouj 02:54, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Traditional Armenian Orthography

Hey, nice work on that article. When you create a new Armenia-related article, make sure to list it at Portal:Armenia/New article announcements. You also might consider submitting it to DYK (add new suggestions at Template talk:Did you know, so it can be featured on the main page). Cheers, Khoikhoi 06:24, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your edit to Traditional Armenian Orthography

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BTW, please don't move pages by copying and pasting. This method destroys the edit history (instead, use the "move" button on the top of the page). Now I have to fix it. Khoikhoi 05:34, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

No problem! Khoikhoi 05:46, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Բարեւ

Բարեւ Սերուժ: Կարելի է Հայկական Գրականութեան էջը, որ ընթացքին յուզիչ վիճակի մէջ է, մանաւանդ բախդատելով Թրքականին հետ, ապագային բարելաւե՞լ: Գիտեմ որ հիմայ կ՛աշխատիս լեզուական էջերու վրայ: Շնորակալութիւն, Hakob 04:00, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Operation Nemesis

Բարեւ Սէրուժ, շնորհակալ եմ որ "Operation Nemesis"-ի article-ը գրեցիր, միշտ կ՛ուզէի գրել բայց reference չունէի իմ գիտցածես զատ: Նաեւ չէի գիտեր որ Դաշնակցութեան բիւրոն դէմ էր գործողութեան եւ որ Թրքական կողմը արած էին: Շահան Նաթալիյին զիրքը "Operation Nemesis"-ի մասին է՞: Anyway nice work man, Ցտեսութիւն:

P.S. Անունդ աւելցուր WikiProject Armenia-ի :D - Fedayee 15:37, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Armenian youth today

Most of today's Armenian youth dont even know our history not even about Tigran the Great. I mean forget the older history not to know about Tigran and from that point on??

Hurri-Mitanni? Hayasa is Hurrian as well and Urartu Hurrian is the word "Hur" I told you this already and Mitanni is no different in faith, culture, language of later Urartu. Assyrian referred to Mitanni as the Naharina or Nairi which was later the Nairi tribe and yes I read that Armenian historian's site. It has a lot of information that is useful also for this encyclopedia. Do you watch Vardanank I guessing now and Im guessing Serouj doesnt either. Watch Vardanank if you're in Glendale or if he's in Glendale its channel 31 Vardanank Monday nights at 11pm. Every Hye Historian budmaban is on there they talk about our History from the time of the Garden of Eden till TigranArarat arev 01:10, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Listen you realize that the Turks and even Assyrians of today try to change our history and erase our history to correctly put it. If you fully realize what im saying you will realize to look into our more rich history and it does include Mitanni and Hyksos (Haykazuni dynasty) I just recently found this out bro few months ago I didnt know this either. I only knew of Haik from 2400BC and all the way to Tigran hahArarat arev 01:17, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Eupator gave me link to Vahan Kurkjian, he mentions Hurri-Mitanni kingdom of Armenia

"The Hurri-Mitanni kingdom of Armenia kept close contact with its western neighbor, Hittite or Hatti land. Masses of population were often transplanted from one country to the other."

Look I told you Hurri-Mitanni is an Armenian kingdom. Vahan which you referred to me make sure you show this to Serouj!Ararat arev 01:30, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Here is the link http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Gazetteer/Places/Asia/Armenia/_Texts/KURARM/5*.htmlArarat arev 01:37, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Nereghootoon vor eszevee avelnord shat gram. Isgagan henz es er ozoom ayeem zooytz dayeem vor inkn link tvav yev desam Vahanee gradzn. Ararat arev 06:00, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Aram (film)

I have replied to your message on my Talk page. --Slowking Man 08:43, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

I replied to you in the Shahan Natalie article. There is no "Turkifying" going on, I would prefer if you didn't throw around such words like "Turkification" or "historical revisionism", pls see my reply on that talk page.. Baristarim 10:47, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

In any case, just know that I am not trying to wage a war or anything, I came across these articles when I was working on other articles, so I just took a look. Cheers! Baristarim 10:50, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

ok, I see what you mean.. It was just that I thought of changing them following the interwikis :) It was just a spur of the moment :) In any case I will have to reply later to the naming issue since I have to leave in a few minutes.. Baristarim 10:59, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Njdeh

Both where? It doesnt look that good with both and the scaling doesnt work with the other why Ararat arev 09:26, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Serouj we have better resolution of the same image of Njdeh in Bulgarian officer's uniform. It is the very first pic in my same Yerevan First Republic page in the oval border. Haskatsar che vore the very first one of AH Yerevan First Republic. Ararat arev 09:43, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

  Do you know if the essays you recommend on your user page are available online? Vartanm 10:28, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
  Thank you. Vartanm 00:06, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Armenian Genocide

Your information states that you know perfect Armenian. Maybe you can help me with Armenian while I help you with Turkish so that we will both have a better understanding on the issue. Please remember that for our interest to discuss the issue as scientifically as we can (we are both engineers, so we both must have known what scientific is:)) It is the best to stay away from dogmatic information as much as we can. Thanks Caglarkoca 23:05, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I thought of you higher when we first wrote on the issue. Maybe I was wrong. I am very sorry for your losses and for the misfortunes that your ancestors have lived through. But do not attack me as if I killed them. Therefore nothing is going to haunt me. Caglarkoca 22:41, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I am sorry about the responsibilities that you loaded on my generataion can never be fulfilled. If such thing is considered to be a genocide, the Modern Republic of Turkey cannot be taken as responsible for the misdeeds performed by Ottoman Empire. Look at what is said during Sarkozy's, your chief advocate's on the issue, trip to Algeria: "France authorities have responded by urging "mutual respect" and saying it was up to historians to write history" http://today.reuters.com/News/CrisesArticle.aspx?storyId=AHM232849. It is not up to us to write or discuss it here. Caglarkoca 09:33, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank You Serouj

Serouj thanks for the advice about the New article announcements I'm glad you told me about it because I didn't know. I appreciate it. ROOB323 00:43, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Grammar

Can you please check Tiridates I of Armenia for any grammatical problems, that seems to be your strong suit. Thanks.--Eupator 02:10, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

As you noticed the lead is the main problem. It's too short. That's the reason why the meaning of the name is crammed in there. Concubine is the wording of Encyclopædia Britannica. Also he was not the first Arsacid to rule Armenia, he was technically the fourth. However he was the first one in a long line of Arsacid rulers. He also didn't establish the Armenian dynasty. That's all mentioned in the lead. Thanks for the source, i'll use it to modify the lead. Please let me know if you come up with anything else. I hope it ends up as an FA as currently there isn't a single Armenian related FA article. --Eupator 17:10, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Serouj, I implemented your suggestions. Good calls. Let me know what you think.--Eupator 18:17, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Look at my sources and references (Historians)

I dont have sources? Just these past few days I got tons of sources and historians. Take a look for a minute? Look at my page ? You obviously didnt look at it at all. Look at these references:

[edit] Vyacheslav Ivanov

The great Indo-European and ancient Near East scholar Vyacheslav Ivanov.

Look in Hurrians http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurrians

Now look down there in External links it has

http://www.humnet.ucla.edu/pies/pdfs/IESV/1/VVI_Horse.pdf

Once you get there search Hurrian-Aryan and you will see it stands for Mitanni and the scholar explains it all in detail. And Aryan is the same as Indo-European. He explains all this there.

Hurri n.

( pl. same or Hurris) a member of a people, originally from Armenia, who settled in northern Mesopotamia and Syria during the 3rd-2nd millennium bc and were later aborbed by the Hittites and Assyrians. (See also Mitanni.) Hittite & Assyrian Harri, Hurri The Oxford English Reference Dictionary, © Oxford University Press 1996

[edit] E. A. Speiser

E. A. Speiser, "Introduction to Hurrians,"

"All indications point toward the general region of Armenia as a main area of Hurrian concentration."

[edit] Jacquetta Hawkes

Jacquetta Hawkes, "The First Great Civilizations," London, 1967

"Yet the Hurrians did not disappear from history. Away to the North in their Armenian homeland, they entrenched themselves and build up the kingdom of Urartu."

[edit] M.Chahin

M.Chahin, "The Kingdom of Armenia," London, 2001

"The new kingdom of Urartu, which proved to be the stronghold of the Hurrian race."

[edit] I have more references on my page

There is a lot more this is only a few. Look at my page by clicking my name the references are there Ararat arev 22:05, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Didnt respond right or you didnt read my response?

You came on my Talk page and said im saying none sense and have no "sources" and "references". And I responded and showed you all the sources and you didnt look at my page to see it. Ararat arev 22:16, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Look at my response I had to you I think you didnt read it "I dont have sources or you ddint look at my page?? Ararat arev 21:34, 9 December 2006 (UTC)" Ararat arev 22:21, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding the X(Kh) and H sounds in Armenian

"X" = "Kh" and so Kh is used as H like I said Hayasa is (K)Hayasa or (K)hye, Hye, Its used X or Kh thats the same for the alternative "H" sound.

User:TigranTheGreat even agrees look in Talk:Armenia " and Armenian has Hurrite words. How could there possibly be no contribution? " Ararat arev 23:46, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

It's not based on finding our language only. Its based on our culture, our Armenian heritage and neighbors. Archeaological, cuneiform inscriptions, etc etc. I told you to this day Armenians are referred as Armani by Persians, which is the 2300 BC Akkadian inscriptions. Thats just one example, what about Haik? You didnt believe that Haik and his Armen tribe existed? You mean to tell me you are agreeing with Turks that we are from all the way to only 2000 something years?? Look at the Mitanni seal I have on this page with the 8 ray winged and 2 eagles symbol. Tigran the Great's crown has the same exact symbol. Which as you know during Tigran Mitra was worshipped. The Mitra that was during Mitanni's time. Look in the page and read it says Mitra was one of the deity's of that time. There is a lot more evidence about our history we will discuss. I hope you have a passion for our history and to find out about it not to just keep doubting as that helps those who dont see us as friends. Ararat arev 02:30, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Dont tell me you dont know that we say "Aryaee" and not "Indo-European" in Armenian. We say "Aryaee" which we are the Aryan people. I just wanted to clarify this its a key point in this Hurri-Aryan issue. Read Ivanov's link I gave you here. Ararat arev 02:32, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes mer budmootoon shat em siroom yev meenak yes chem. Odar ner 10 daree en drel vor henz "internet"ee vra oreenak mer budmootoon dnen. Nooyn hayodz budmooton vor budmoabunner mer emanoom em yev budzadroom en. Do Hovick Nersessianeen janachoom es? Gum Artak Movsisyan? Gum Vardanank zrageer nayoom es? Garevor eh vor mer yereedazardner veradarnan yev anzyial emanan inchkan siroon yev haroozd anzyial enk onezel. Ararat arev 02:51, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Henz Artak Movsisyan ed er asoom vor dbrozneree mech pogharen dghoor banner arach khosank mer pokreekneree hed beedee mer haroozd yev shat yergar budmootyan maseen khosank. Mer Hye barer do siroom es teh che? Yes shat em siroom mer heritage mer mshagooydn shat garevor eh. Yes drahamar el hadook siroom em Yegeebdosee gapern el vor onezel enk mer anzyial oom. Yev asezee yes shat em siroom yev shat odar Hyer el en siroom oremn me inz meenak asa es. Yev hasganoom em do Arevmdahye es avelee eh kez modeek ed dghoor jamanakn vor dajeek arav mez. Hedakrkreer eh vor henz Hurri-Mitanniee jamanak erank Arevmdahyenern ayeen yev nman budmooton yeghav yev Sardarabadee nman berd sargezeenk vor mer tshnameenern chanzneen avelee khor hyreneekn. Ararat arev 03:18, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Bytes garevor eh anzyial nooyn bes abagaheen gap ooneee vordev beedee heeshenk menk ov enk. Beedee emanan mardeek odarner mer anzyialn vor emanan menk inchgan isgagan azg enk. Vor henz Masees Sareeds vor henz Shumeragan sepageerneree mech grvadz eh Maseesee maseen yev Arattaee maseen. Menk avelee heen grvadzner onenk vor hedo Jahoodnern verzrel en mezaneez emanoom es? Dra hamar es dajeeknern hooysov vor hasganan vor ed yergeern mern eh vor erank en hima. Yev hasganan vor henz edegh vor yes mer budmootoon ozoom em jsdenk mardganz vor henz aydegh er vor Vana leejee yev avelee Arevmoodk der vor Medz Tigranenee jamanak henz ayd yergeern mern er yev oneenk avelee der heen jamaanak. Desnoom es heteh verjn avel shat mardeek odar mardeek emanana es Turkern dajeeknern el chen garoghana odar ban asen. Vordegh henz erank en vor mer azgeen vocheechaznoom en yev asoom en vor avelee nor mardeek enk. Menk henz ayd mardeekn enk vor Hyegagan lernashkharn eh gyankee ezgeesbn vor Asdvads vor Ararichn mez gyank dvav. Mer Hygagan lernashkeroom gyank verdarzn elav jrhegheedz hedo Maseesee vra Araratee vra. Desnoom es inchee hamar eh hima? Yes mer azgee hamar em es anoom. Yev odar bun el vor emanoom es menk inchkan gideleekner enk emazel? Inchkan imasddootyan mardeek enk yeghel? Asdghagidootoon (astronomy) yev hogeee jshdtootoonern emazel enk Asdvazeen janachel enk. Assurree nern vor meeshd mer hed greev en arel irank eeen Asdzoo hagarak. Oremn ayo mer anzyial shat garevor eh vor ays harzern abagayeen jsdhvee. Ararat arev 03:43, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

Trivia sections are not allowed for FA candidate articles.--Eupator 05:51, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Կարծիք

Բարեւ Սէրուժ, stumble ըրի քու գրածներուդ վրայ Արարադ Արեւին եւ համացայն եմ բոլոր ըսածներուդ վրայ, որ փան-թուրքիզմի միտքը դեր ունին եւ պէտք է ապաքային վրայ կեդրոնանանք քանդէ կախուինք այնպիսի անկարեւոր նիւթերու վրայ: Սակայն մէկ ըսածդ ուշադրութիւնս գրաւեց որ իսկապէս կարծիքիդ elaborate version-ը կ՛ուզեմ լսել:

> Եկուր հասկնանք մեր վերչին 100 տարուայ պատմութիւնը եւ ուր ենք սխալած (օրինակ՝ Պանք Օթոման)

Հետաքրքրական կը գտնեմ կարծիքդ քանի որ ես միշտ նայած եմ այդ օրը իբրեւ մեծ յաղդանակ Հայ ազքին համար քանի որ կրցանք no-good Եւրոպացիներուն ուշադրութիւնը գրաւել: Արդէօք այդ օրը քէշ կը տեսնես հետեւեալ անասունական response-ին համար Համիտի՞: Երբ որ ազատ ըլլաս պատասխանէ ընկեր if you dont mind :) Շնորհակալ եմ: Fedayee 06:14, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Կը տեսնեմ ինչ կ՛ուզես ըսել: Ճիշտ ես որ ընկեր չունի ոեւէ ազք բայց այն ատէն բաւական desperate էր Հայ ժողովուրդը այդ ահրելի պայմաներուն տակ: I guess ի-զուր օգնութիւն խնդրեցին կուսակցութիւնները, սխալ մը որ կը վախնամ կրկնուի Ռուսերուն հետ...Բայց ամեն աս Արեւմուտքի մէջի գործերը պարապի չերդար որովհետեւ երդալէն կը շատնայ օտար կարաւարութիւններու ճանաչումը Մեծ Եղերնի որ կրնայ pressure աւելցնել Թուրքիոյ վրայ: Բայց անշուշտ, ի վերջոյ եթէ հողերնիս ետ կ՛ուզենք, զինեալ պայքարը կարեւոր դեր խաղացած պիտի ըլլայ: Պէտք պիտի ունենանք բազմադիւ Մոնթէ Մէլքոնեաններու... Համենայն դէպս կը հասկնամ կարեւոր point-դ: Fedayee 16:22, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Դժբախտ ապագայ մըն է քանի որ ատչաբ դրամ կը ծախսենք բանակին վրայ քաքիս թուրքերուն պատճարեն: եթէ այն պարաքային որ ըսելիքդ իրականացուի, միայն ձեւը շահելու guerrilla պատերազմըն է, Իրաքի եւ Վիեդ Նամի պէս: Յամենանյն դեպս, իշալլահ հայաստանը քարիւղ ունենայ որ economie-ն զորանայ, եղեր Գանատական գոմբանի մը կը փորէ Հայաստանի մէջ եւ շատ վստայ է որ քարիւղ ունի մեր երկիրը: Քիչ մը off topic կ՛երդամ հիմա... Fedayee 17:57, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article in need of cleanup - please assist if you can

[edit] Halley's Comet

Thanks. Nareklm 06:48, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Happy New Year!

Շնորհաւոր նոր տարի եւ Սուրբ Ծնունդ - Fedayee 19:21, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request for Image:Jounieh Bay.jpg Sharing

Hi Serouj. I saw one of your pictures of Jounieh and I liked it. However, can you instead upload it to this website:

• http://commons.wikimedia.org

I wish to use it on Jounieh's Arabic article, and other non-English Wikipedians would have the same chances of sharing this file for other Wikipedia.org articles, with respect to Jounieh, Lebanon etc.

Thanks :)

- Qasamaan 13:43, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. - Qasamaan 19:59, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Civility

Please watch for civility. Comments like "Revert unjustified removal of "Kurdish language" by user from Turkey" or "It's a shame that you (and other Turks) would like to silence even the words of a dead man killed for speaking those very same words while alive." are not appropriate. Thank you. Baristarim 00:20, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, it is inappropriate (and uncivil) to have users who are actively removing (or down-playing/obfuscating) every reference to the Armenian Genocide in Wikipedia articles. I see it quite fair (and to the benefit of Wikipedia) to point out such malicious users who are working against free speech on Wikipedia. Serouj 00:32, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comments

I read your thoughts, and I really don't want to be a prick or anything, but your assumption that it is not accepted in Turkey that the murder of Dink was because of racism is not true. I am assuming GF and just letting you know.. Baristarim 00:45, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hrant Dink video

Parev Serouj, google videoyi vrah eyi and while surfing, assee kdah on the "popular" section. It's pretty cool, [2]. It's Hrant giving a speech about genocide denial, kurdish issue etc It's in Western Armenian. Check it out yeteh chess dessadz arten. - Fedayee 03:39, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned fair use image (Image:Adblockplus.png)

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[edit] Name

Listen, check the Constantinople article - it is pre-1453. In the English language, no serious text written today will use Constantinople rather than Istanbul, even when referring to that period. It is widely accepted that it is Istanbul after 1453 (as such the corresponding Wikipedia articles are styled in that manner, and thus giving that wikilink to that article is not correct). It is not a matter of "Turkification", that's just the way it is. I am sorry if you have issues with that, but that's the English usage. You can call it Disneyland if you would like - the 1930 date you keep mentioning is not what you make it out to be: that law only said that after that date only and exclusively Istanbul will be used. It is not like the name "Istanbul" dropped from the air on 1930, if you claim the opposite than there is something seriously bizarre. In any case corresponding Wikipedia articles do not back up that claim, so refrain from ostensibly restoring it to "Constantinople" - it is not academic and simply childish. Just use the contemporary name, drink a nice glass of cold water and get it over with, what is the big deal? Baristarim 07:39, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Just because some Turks have made most Wikipedia articles refer to Constantinople as Istanbul pre-1930 does not mean that that is right. If you read any academic text on the Armenian Genocide or the late Ottoman Empire, you will find it's called Constantinople. I quote from the Constantinople article, "It was officially renamed to its modern Turkish name Istanbul in 1930[1][2][3] as part of Atatürk's Turkish national reforms." Again, the official name was Constantinople, not Istanbul. Stop the name-calling. You seem to have the "big deal" trying to obviously lobby for changing every reference of Constantinople to Istanbul. It's simply pathetic when you are projecting on to me the very things that *you* are doing. It is *you* who's pushing for these ridiculous changes! Serouj 02:47, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, please watch for WP:NPA - and avoid using words like "Turkification", that's just how the English language use is: Constantinople article says in the intro: This article is about Constantinople before the Fall of Constantinople (1453). For after 1452, see Istanbul. That article was primarily written by Westerners who are non-Turks and non-Greeks. You can take it up with them, giving such a link is wrong - academic usage refers to that city as Istanbul post-1453, especially in the English language. Baristarim 02:56, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

"academic usage refers to that city as Istanbul post-1453, especially in the English language."

That claim is simply not true. I repeat, academic text (in English) refers to that city as Constantinople when talking about the late Ottoman period. (To check this claim, just pick up any academic text about the Armenian Genocide.) I can use the word Turkification as I please. You don't control the words I can speak. Have you heard of freedom of expression? I guess we have recently seen that that technology hasn't permeated Turkish society yet, and now you want another Earthling to comply by Turkish standards? Are you kidding me? Serouj 03:04, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, I will kindly ask you to keep your anger down and read no personal attacks policy - "comment on content not on the person". Such posts are unacceptable in Wikipedia, and in that context Wikipedia limits what words can be used, particularly ones bordering on racism. Thank you.

As for the naming argument, you can raise your concerns in the Constantinople and Istanbul articles, they disagree with you. Wikipedia is not a Victorian novel, nearly all English texts written today will use Istanbul, even when referring to the period. If you do not agree with this, there is not much I can do. cheers Baristarim 03:10, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Listen, I really do not understand why you are resorting to such mocking comments - what is the reason? I really hope that we can work constructively, but I don't think that such comments are helping.. Just a note.. Baristarim 03:13, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry that you find the word "Turkification" appalling and racist. I don't find Americanization or Armenianization to be as such. But I that depends on your point of you. If you don't like Americans, then you'd find the term "Americanization" to be racist. Same goes if you don't like Turkey: you'd find the term "Turkification" racist.

YOU COME TO MY USER PAGE AND HURL INSULTS TO INSTIGATE ME, BECAUSE I AM ARMENIAN, and then you wait for my response. You are a very bad human being. Serouj 03:16, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

"Listen, I really do not understand why you are resorting to such mocking comments - what is the reason?"

Are you kidding me? It is YOU who came to my user page hurling insults. Read your insulting first message one more time. And think it over for five minutes. When you become more civilized, then write an apology. Serouj 03:18, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Coming back to the point, when a city A changes its name to B in year X, and you're in year X+300. Guess what? When you're in year X+300, and you're talking about city B in a year BEFORE the year X, you refer to it as A! If this is a revelation to you, then I suggest you pick up a history book for a city that's undergone a name change. Serouj 03:24, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

The word "Turkification" is not racist, I was not referring to that. This is borderline racist and violates WP:NPA: "I guess we have recently seen that that technology hasn't permeated Turkish society yet, and now you want another Earthling to comply by Turkish standards?". Your implication that "I hurled insults you because you are Armenian" is false, and your accusation that I am racist also violates WP:NPA. There were no insults in my posts, I commented clearly on the issue at hand. If you post comments like "You are a very bad human being" or "When you become more civilized, then write an apology", I will have no choice but to report you, particularly considering some other NPA violations that you have committed in the past - I have never used such expression towards you, nor would I ever do so. cheers Baristarim 03:42, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

That's not how the name change happened: Istanbul was in use before 1930, that law only said that from then on only Istanbul will be used - the word "Istanbul" wasn't born on 1930. It is that simple: in the English language of today Istanbul is used to refer to the post-1453 period. Baristarim 03:42, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I didn't know the English language had a rule for what to call what is now known as the city of Istanbul prior to 1453. You cannot back up your claims, and I have already backed up my claims. OPEN UP ANY ACADEMIC TEXT ON THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE AND READ FOR YOURSELF.

Your first post was very rude, to say the least. Serouj 03:45, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

"Turkification" was the reason you accused me of NPA. Re-read this thread. You are trying to suppress my free speech, and I won't tolerate it. Serouj 03:47, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

To wrap up this thread, the U.S. Ambassador to the Ottoman Empire at the time, Henry Morgenthau, wrote a well-known document of the Armenian Genocide in his book, "Ambassador Morgenthau's Book" which you may find online at [3]. There, you will see that he refers to the city not as "Istanbul" but by its official name (at the time), "Constantinople". Serouj 03:55, 3 April 2007 (UTC)