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[edit] FA Drive
How about an FA drive for the article? I can ask some others to take a look before putting it up for FA. --Ragib 02:12, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
I have posted a request to take a look at the article to some of the better editors who might take an interest. Following are what I've got back, let's see how we can make use of these great suggestions. Aditya Kabir 09:25, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
- Fowler&Fowler:
Hi Aditya, I took a very quick look at the article. Will take a more in-depth look later. Off the top of my head, here are some thoughts. First, the pictures are great; second, there are definitely enough topics there; third, the article needs narrative. The third point, for me, is the most important. For example, the educations section reads:
| “ | The major academic bodies around Shahbag Intersection and in Shahbag Thana includes Dhaka University, Dhaka Medical College, BUET, Bangladesh Civil Service Administration Academy, BSMMU[1], Art College, Institute of Management, IBA, Institute of Modern languages, Udayan School, University Laboratory School, and Engineering University School. | ” |
There is nothing in the text above that grabs an average reader (who likely won't know anything about Dhaka, let alone the Shahbag neighborhood). The article has to make the transition from lists to narrative. One way to do this would be to temporarily replace a name, for example, "Dhaka University," by text that says something interesting about the name. For example, "Since the early 19th century, the Shahbag intersection, has been the hub of intellectual life in the city. Today, it home to a technology park ..." Obviously I'm making this up, but you get the idea. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 03:58, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
- Nichalp:
The article needs a lot of work. =Shopping= is too touristy and needs to go. The article needs some more content. And I saw a glaring error on the page. The latitude is shown as 30 °N and as far as my knowledge of Bangladesh goes, that's too high! =Nichalp «Talk»= 13:52, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Can you structure the article roughly according to Waterfall Gully, South Australia. Subsections and galleried should be eliminated. For the coordinates, try using google earth. =Nichalp «Talk»= 05:07, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Shahbag in Tibet
Someone has placed in Tibet,in the Google Earth, the Wikipedia logo for this page about Shahbag. 14 march 2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.36.228.226 (talk • contribs).
- That must be the mistaken coordinates that was on the page earlier. It has been corrected. So, someone now can take a corrective measure at this Google Earth debacle. Aditya Kabir 09:27, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Comments preceding FAC
A lot of the prose needs greater care and citations. Here's some comments to get you started:
- References are neither alphabetized or in any standard format (MLA or Chicago Manual of Style).
- redlinks like New Market in the infobox, and Arnold Zeitlin. Need to create stub.
- There's an external link in the infobox without a name
- "As of 2004", old enough that this clause seems out of place. And is this really the second most important sentence of the article?
- "newly-developed city" what city are we talking about here?
- "both in geographic and historic term" over-wordy, historic part seems subjective
- Thana captilised or not? Both appear in lede
- "historical, political, infrastructural, academic, cultural and religious." quite a list. I'm sure this is explained more in the body, but maybe some concrete reasons here and not a big abstract list if we're going to include it in the lede.
- "unique shopping experience" POV
- seems to say "the neighborhood" a lot. Would probably flow better with either the proper noun or pronouns most of the time.
- "The earliest historical evidence from the Shahbag area is available from two tombs" I'm not sure what this means. Rephrase please?
- Need more inline cites in the history section. Where is this info from?
- "fascinated by the splendour of the flowering garden, the serpentine lake running from it and the numerous ponds and palaces" POV, certainly needs a cite.
- Look out for add-on sentences (often with the words "in addition" or "also"), e.g. "Katabon Mosque, an important center for Muslim missionaries in Bangladesh, is also here." and "Shahbag is also marked for its unique shopping experience" (also POV).
- There seems to be a fair amount of sentence like "The national radio Bangladesh Betar used have its office in Shahbag." that, in addition to the obvious grammaticaly error, have little place in the flow of the paragraph or section.
Hope this helps! Best wishes, MarkBuckles (talk) 00:16, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] more
Was asked to comment again.
- References are still neither alphabetized or in any standard format (MLA or Chicago Manual of Style).
- Redlinks still exist.
- WP:NPOV violations. ex: "lost splendour of the gardens". "Unique markets" don't need to say unique, just tell us the facts. "The hammam (bath) and the hawakhana (green house) of this mansion earned rare praise from all."
- Uncited material. ex: "the largest bookmarkets for imported and second-hand books in Bangladesh." (cited below but not in lede) "Built by Khwaja Salimullah in the memory of Pari Banu, his sister. In the times of decline of the Nawabs of Dhaka, Nawab Khwaja Habibullah, son of Salimullah, used to live here" ""The first zoo in Dhaka and the first office of Bangladesh Betar, the national radio, was established in Shahbag as well as the now-defunct race-course and the second electric power-plant in East Bengal." "the Garden of the Kings became a forgotten project."
- Still lots of typos. ex: "Center of academic. cultural and intellectual activities on Dhaka," And this is the lede! Two typos in this sentence.
- Prose is confusing. ex: "The earliest historical evidence from the Shahbag area is available from three pre-Mughal - Mariam Saleha Mosque" (supposed to be mosques?) still doesn't make sense. How is historical evidence available from a mosque? Maybe, the earliest "dated inscription", or something, but it's confusing. Another ex: "Shahbag is roughly the area between the Ramna Park and the Supreme Court of Bangladesh on east and the Elephant Road on the west, and between the University of Dhaka[16] and Suhrawardy Udyan (Suhrawardy Park, formerly the Ramna Racecourse) in the south and Hotel Sheraton and the Diabetic Hospital in the north." What? Maybe try "Shabag is bounded by. . ." instead of "is" to start with.
- Highly recommmend reading User:Tony1/How to satisfy Criterion 1a. It's very helpful and has many tips and exercises that would help improve this article.
Best wishes, MarkBuckles (talk) 20:36, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] areas need to be improved
I have gone through the whole article and found some of the parts that should be improved. Besides, this article demands some of the points to be added in order to give it a complete touch.
- It started in a nice way but ended up with a messy style. I didn’t found any organized conclusion and I just felt all on a sudden it ends.
- Shahbag’s importance related to our liberation war can be arranged with a separate sub heading. It will be more appropriate if we can provide a picture of Banga Bondhu’s 7-e March Speech on Ramna Rasecourse.
- I personally felt this article demands two special pictures, 1. A picture of Dhaka University, if it is ‘Aporajeo Bangla’, that will be the best. 2. A picture of Ramna Park.
- Ramna Bomb-explosion can also be a sub heading as it was (or is!) one of the burning issues related to this place. We should also mention terrorist’s fate and current undergoing investigation by the law-n-order force with in one or two lines.
Other than those parts, overall article is well written.
Regards, Niaz bd 05:46, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Mass Rapid Transit hubs
The following sentence in the lead is a bit unclear:
New Dhaka lies to the north of Shahbag, a major Mass Rapid Transit hubs,
Does the mass rapid transit hub refer to Shahbag or New Dhaka? If referring to Shahbah (as the sentence implies), it would be better to have it as the main clause in a sentence as the article is about Shahbag.
Also, shouldn't "hubs" be in the singular form since it's talking about "a [single] major" rather than "several major"?
Aktar Ahmed, 08:39, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
