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[edit] Uncategorized comments

I'm adding The Shipper's Manifesto to the link to external references, since it has recently become popularized and is a good list of multi-fandom shipping essays. If you have any issues with this include, please voice them. --Kyuu 00:56, 21 August 2006 (UTC)


What's with the lame FUBAR joke? Is there a reference? -- curious.

Not really. See metasyntactic variable. --AceMyth 16:02, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

As you can see I've attempted to take on a slightly deeper and more general look into the shipping phenomenon than has appeared in Wikipedia so far- and my own perspective doesn't come close to that magnitude, so any sort of insight/details on the phenomenon would certainly be welcome. AceMyth 18:39, Dec 4, 2004 (UTC)

Wowza. Oo That's quite the article, even if it's not finished yet. Just added a few minor touchups. I'm hesitant to create any parts of the remaining sections on my own for now, given my strong bias towards Pokémon Shipping, and lack of knowledge outside of anime shipping communities. --Mukashi 21:21, 2004 Dec 4 (UTC)
What about the phenomenon that is slash? It is one of the more recgonized shipping structures out there, yet homosexual pairings and the issues that surround them (whether legitimate or not) aren't even mentioned. Admittedly, I don't know much, but it is possible that the page on Slash Fiction would be better served as a subhead here. Thephotoman 02:11, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I agree that there should at least be a link to here from there, but given that the phenomenon of Slash preceeds modern shipping fandoms by a great margin, I think it should retain its own page. --Mukashi 07:33, 2004 Dec 20 (UTC)

With regards to the debating side of things, there's another type of debate you've missed. "What has happened". In the Pokémon Shipping fandom especially, we focused on debating the significance of various Shipping "hints" and "evidence". In the end, it was still to determine what was more likely to happen of course, but that tended to take somewhat more of a backseat to everything else. Also, there have been in my experience some instances of fairly logical debate, or fairly solid platforms for arguement from one side (Usually formed only after huge internal arguements in one faction, where believers in a Ship go and refute much of the evidence others of their own ship are using until only the undeniable is left). While Shipping debates in general do deserve their reputation, I'll grant that much, it's not always the case. --Mukashi 00:43, 2004 Dec 5 (UTC)

1. "What has happened" is very much in the same vein of "what will happen"- figuring out authorial intent. Feel free to add that in, or maybe we should just change the name to "What is happening", describing this line of thought in general? 2. you're right on the logical platforms of debate (heck, I even made one myself at one point). When I finished doing the "Debate" section I figured the tone ended up being a bit more negative than the debates are deserving of. So yes, this section needs a bit of balancing in that regard.

On a separate note, somebody on the talk page of the original "Shipper" article has raised an objection to using this new article (even dubbing the action "disappointing"). I still think that even though the transformation was a bit sudden, it was necessary if we wanted a better article, so in the meanwhile I'll keep working on this- with the ideal of eventually integrating all of the info currently in the original "shipper" article and making that a redirect. AceMyth 01:39, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)

If I may ask BTW, which Shipper fandom do you hail from? In any case, I'm inclined to agree with you here. The previous article hadn't been updated in days despite it needing a massive update, both for factual corrections and expansion. A drastic re-write was just what the doctor called for. --Mukashi

Originally?
Pokemon.
*manic glee*
(Though that was, like, 5 years back. :P Now I'm more interested in the phenomenon as a whole, but I do indulge myself in actual shipping in various fandoms from time to time.) AceMyth 02:01, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)

Pokémon? 5 years back? From 1999....right when I really started getting into the fandom. When did you move on from Pokémon? You wouldn't happen to be someone I'd remember, would you? I'm Archaic, though depending on which part of the Pokémon shipper fandom you came from, I'm not sure if that name would mean anything to you. --Mukashi 04:29, 2004 Dec 5 (UTC)

Sadly, I barely remember anything from my time in the pokemon fandom. I was only around 14, and since English is my second language and was far from properly developed back then, I was necessarily the "X/Y 4eva 0mg l0lz!!!!1!1!!1!!111111" sort of person, and even that I can only dimly recollect.
Absurdly enough, your nickname does ring a bell, though my attempts to identify that bell are utterly futile. -AceMyth 04:31, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)

I was, and still am in some circles, fairly infamous for Pokémon Shipping, and I've had a fairly prominent name on the major Pokémon forums since 2001, so it's hardly surprising. You visited the large forums mainly? You probably saw me there, either as an Admin on Bulbagarden or Serebii, a mod on TPM, or in my role as a virtual figurehead leader of PokéShippers as the OPS President. I kinda got around. ^^; --Mukashi 07:22, 2004 Dec 5 (UTC)

If you were a mod on TPM chances are that's where I ran into you. I used to hang around there a lot, mainly sharing my inane Pokemon/Sliders crossover fanfiction.
I must mention that in an instinctive response, the name TPM still commands respect and awe in my mind, which just goes to show. -AceMyth 13:00, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)

With fanfics as unique as that, I'd expect Damian Silverblade still remembers you. He works as staff for me on Bulbagarden thesedays. --Mukashi 18:05, 2004 Dec 5 (UTC)

Just want to say, fantastic article. Really useful, easy to read, well divided into categories, comprehensive. I know a lot more about the subject now. Thanks to all editors involved! Penguin2006 18:51, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Copyediting

While it would perhaps have been better to move the existing article, it's already been done. In any case, once the information has been completely merged, it should be redirected, and any information obtained from Shipper should be credited in edit summaries.

Is it really necessary to go into such detail about the psychology of these debates? They really aren't any different from any other sort of online fan debating.(Do balrogs have wings? Do Elves have pointed ears?) I'm inclined to think that, in the case of modern shipping, part of the reason that debates cannot be settled is that the relationships that people settle on tend to have very little basis in fact to begin with. (I've seen some remarkably wacky pairings.) I don't mean that in a derogatory manner—I was always under the impression that wild improbabilities were part of the fun.

That's one side of the coin, which is- I agree- currently underrepresented in this article. Seeing as most of my research, so to speak, in this area has focused on the psychology behind and the futility of ship debate (the Harry Potter fandom, where people take the emotional side of shipping way too seriously, provided a lot of material to work with in that aspect), it's only natural that the "let's write fics and have a hell of a good time sharing our ideas" side of shipping- which I rarely, if at all, came in contact with directly- currently lacks descriptive info as far as this article is concerned.
As to how much these arguments are any different than other net arguments, the answer is simple: All forums have their own idiosyncratic debates, but as long as we're talking about fiction in progress that contains characters between the ages of 12 and 40, ship debates are freakin' everywhere, or at least everywhere I've been to or heard of; and not only are they everywhere, but they tend to get a ridiculously disproportionate amount of attention wherever they pop up. So IMO there's more to this phenomenon than to many other net-based controversies and it's worth exploring on Wikipedia. --AceMyth 23:41, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)

I did some format editing (heading levels), added a couple of paragraphs to the first parts, and pared down the description of the last link. We don't need to advertise for them. ;)-[[User:Aranel|Aranel ("Sarah")]] 22:58, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

This is what I wrote, which I do not believe should have been summarily removed:

A significant difference between the two fan groups is that that even non-shippers admit the existence of sexual tension between the protagonists of The X-Files, as this is periodically openly acknowledged on the show. Pokémon shipping tends toward greater creativity, as many fans have never even considered the possibility of the Team Rocket members having a relationship.

I think this is interesting and useful information. Perhaps it should be included differently, but it reflects a distinction between the term as it was first used by X-Files fans and as it was first used by Pokémon fans. The existence of some sort of relationship between Mulder and Scully was never in doubt—the shipper discussion was more about whether it should be more prominent, not about whether it even existed. Suggesting that there is a romantic relationship between Jesse and James is a much more creative endeavor. (There's nothing wrong with this. I'm not saying that. Just that's it's more speculative.) There is a subtle shift in meaning here.

There needs to be more discussion of the X-Files usage if there is going to be such in-depth discussion of Pokémon. At least the way the terminology was used by those early X-Files fans (which is not entirely synonomous with its use by Pokémon fans) needs to be explained. -[[User:Aranel|Aranel ("Sarah")]] 23:14, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

When you put what you wrote in that light I agree it's useful information, but it could use rewording to emphasise the implications on the term's development, which is the subject. --AceMyth 23:23, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)
A minor point. A Jessie/James romance is something a lot of the fans think of. You can thank one of the manga series for that (We got official art of them married, and Jessie being pregnant. IIRC, we might have even seen the baby in a scene in the epilogue too). Certain other rather blantant open acknowledgements have happened with other major characters at points too. A better example would be Professor Oak & Ash's Mother.
But yes, I agree there needs to be more talk on the early X-Files usage of it. Plenty of us are familiar with exactly how the term developed in and thanks to the Pokémon fandom, but outside of that, we're a bit clueless. --Mukashi 03:13, 2004 Dec 8 (UTC)

When I made the "Cohesion and Conflict" header I was thinking more along the lines of tight-knit cliques forming factions and factions opposing one another with a nice side-order of personal vendettas, but I guess anti-ship backlash figures into that as well. --AceMyth 04:08, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)

When I first saw the header, so was I, but I quickly realised that even a short synopsis of, say, what happened with that in the Pokémon Shipping fandom would almost deserve a page of its own. I mean, just to name what happened on the major forums without description since 2000, we have...formation of OPS, PI & RSU, the 1st OPS/PI Flame war, the Bulbagarden 3 way flame war, the RSU/URS split, the "Pact of Pallet", the 1st Shippers Prom, the OPS leadership coup attempt, AAML:F&F, the TPM debates, the General Rebuttal of PalletShipping, and the 2nd & subsequent Shippers Proms. And that's just the stuff I know about. Get a high ranking PalletShipper in here, and you'll hear plenty more. --Mukashi 04:58, 2004 Dec 8 (UTC)
There was never a 3 way flame war on BMG; during the NAAML/OPS flame war, Palletshipping was banned from BMG at that time, and by the time it was unbanned, the Pact was in effect. Which leadership coup attempt, the one with Para and Mcsweeney, or the one with Para and Jarel? And for the record, the ShiShi list does still exist, I actually own it now.
I assume that was you Chaos? You could at least sign your posts. And/or provide background on the PI, since I highly doubt you didn't have your own internal conflicts, or at least things only known amongst the group until now. Anyway, PalletShipping was banned back then, but PI members still jumped on the anti-AAML bandwagon, which turned it into a 3 way. Para and Jarel for the coup attempt, since the Mcsweeney one was pathetic at best. Didn't know about the ShiShi list though. Or maybe I'd forgotten about it. I thought you and they didn't get along. The Gaki's of PalletShipping I recall you calling them, in not so few words. Of course, that was long ago. --Mukashi 13:31, 2004 Dec 14 (UTC)
How do I sign my posts when I don't have a name here? I just wouldn't consider it a 3-way since we weren't actually able to debate Palletshipping, we could only debate AAML vs anti-AAML. Just because Palletshippers were involved in it doesn't make it 3-way...ML himself held office in PI. But the Mcsweeney one was the FUNNY one. Yeah, I didn't get along with the ShiShis back in the day, but there are no people from the old days left now, it's a totally different group. And...we really never had any internal conflicts in PI that I can think of. The thing is, PI just wasn't like OPS in the sense of having a really organized government and tons of offical documents and voting on issues and elections and stuff. So there just wasn't much to fight about in that sense. Just about the only time we voted on anything or even discussed Shipping during meeting chats is when we were doing it as a send up of you guys. Though it was funny when some people wouldn't get that it was a send up and they actually thought it was serious. I can only think of a few times when there was any conflict at all between PI members, and those were mostly personal issues that were really unrelated to Shipping or the clubs.
A hyphen after your post with your name and a guess at the time (If you can't use the signature w/ timestamp button for an actual timestamp) would be enough I think. Anyway, I suppose that is one way to look at it, but we've been referring to it as a 3 way flame war since 2000, so why stop now? While we've obviously both long since forgotten the reasons for it (And I don't think either of our archives includes that section), we must've had our reasons at the time to call it that. --Mukashi 15:20, 2004 Dec 19 (UTC)
You have an archive? Is it uploaded anywhere? If not, you should upload it. My archive wasn't even an on purpose archive, it's just a bunch of stuff I randomly found in my cache years after the fact. -Chaos 2004 Dec 25
It *used* to be uploaded, but I believe that hosting account got deleted ages ago. I still have some of the archive with me (Mostly threads I saved back while trying to create a revision to AAML:F&F, before we switched gears and worked on the General Rebuttal), but the rest of it, the archive of TPM Shippers threads, if I still have it, would be on a CD or DVD back in Australia. Unless it's buried in a subdirectory of the dead OPS forum (Must get Hiker to repair that one of these days). --Mukashi 06:04, 2005 Jan 5 (UTC)

As with the rest of the article, the solution may be to generalise. I'm sure there are many ways to delve deeply into the fact that shipping turns forums into clique battlegrounds without getting down to "and on February 8, 2001, prominent member of the same community QramaDueen proclaimed that she was "leeveng teh fandom 4eva & eva and theres nothing u could do 2 get me back cuz u hurt my feeelingz!" [1], only to return a day later." --AceMyth 08:32, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)

Point well made. Specific fandoms could always get their own pages or sub-sections later if it really warrented it. For now, we need to focus on removing the old page and merging any worthwhile data left into this one. --Mukashi 11:33, 2004 Dec 10 (UTC)

On that end, I recommend at the very least mentioning the uses in the pokemon and digimon fandoms, anime fans are not a monolithic bloc, and those two probably make up for half the anime-based shipper wars even now. --birdboy2000 9:24, 2004 Dec 16 (EST)

I have to disagree on that one. At least as far as Pokémon is concerned, the shipper wars are a historical footnote. Or at least until the NeoPokéShippers band together like the OPS of old, and start debating with the veteran OPS members still remaining. Considering they've got evidence for one side, just like we always used to, that would be an interesting matchup. Hmmm.....maybe I should post a thread on BMGf after my finals finish tomorrow.....
Anyway, we can't exactly take a current events position here. If we want sections (or sub-articles) on the culture within various shipping fandoms, it could only be the ones which have had the most impact on Shipping as a whole (Star Trek [Unless we just want to direct them to whatever articles exist on slash fanfics there], X-Files and Pokémon for starters), or perhaps a group which stands out as a good example of most Shipping communities, maybe Ranma and/or NGE with their huge fanfiction followings, even now years after both have been completed. Inuyasha or Detective Conan too might be able to fill that roll. --Mukashi 15:20, 2004 Dec 19 (UTC)

[edit] Xena

I don't really know anything about this phenomenon, so I'm not going to mess with the article, but it seems to me that the whole Xena subtext thing would be a particularly famous example. Tualha 2 July 2005 15:17 (UTC)

[edit] "Relationshippers" page merged here

Somebody started a page by the name of "Relationshippers" which is basically the same as this page here. Here are its contents (consider for merging). --AceMyth 16:29, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

Relationshippers (often contracted to ’shippers) are fans of media who speculate on romantic or sexual relationships among the characters in the series, film, or book they are fans. The practice is closely tied to the creation of fanfiction and doujinshi.
Relationshippers frequently distinguish between canon and non-canon relationships. A canon relationship is one that is openly stated, or at least strongly implied, in the source material. A non-canon relationship is between two characters who are not offically "together" in the source. In the case of an ongoing series that is still running, non-canon couples can become canon. For example, many Star Trek: Voyager fans speculated about a possible relationship between the characters Tom Paris and B'Elanna Torres long before they ended up actually forming a relationship, getting married and having a child in the series. However, another popularly speculated on relationship on that series, between Kathryn Janeway and Chakotay, did not materialize in the actual series.
There are subgroups of relationshippers that assert that certain characters are homosexual or lesbian even if there is no specific evidence in the source material to back up that claim. An example of this is the frequently postulated Kirk/Spock relationship.

(plus these two external links:)

[edit] History Merge

The content merge has presumably been done, since the Relationshippers is now a rdr. However, it is a rdr concealing the history of the moved material. The next two subsections document which edits, in the soon-to-be-merged history, stem from which of the originally separate developments.

Because of the History Merge, determining the changes added by a specific revision is now in some cases between 2005 April 22 and September 12 more complicated than simply clicking the "(last)" lk of the revision's history entry: to achieve the result that that has in a never-merged history, the comparison must be done between that version and an explicitly specified earlier version, namely the latest previous version that was in the same history prior to the history merge. For a tool that will help with such explorations, see #Expected New History below.

[edit] Page History of Relationshippers prior to History Merge

  • 16:27, 12 September 2005 AceMyth
  • 16:25, 12 September 2005 AceMyth m
  • 16:24, 12 September 2005 AceMyth (This page is about the same thing as [Shipping (fandom)])
  • 22:28, 7 September 2005 128.205.163.96 (→External Links)
  • 21:28, 18 August 2005 Atlantima m
  • 16:58, 27 July 2005 Canderson7 m (disambiguation link repair (You can help!))
  • 18:26, 10 May 2005 24.233.51.188
  • 12:28, 9 May 2005 Everyking m
  • 14:08, 5 May 2005 The Epopt m ('shippers)
  • 22:26, 2 May 2005 Everyking m
  • 00:42, 24 April 2005 Emperorbma (cat fandom)
  • 10:53, 22 April 2005 Michael Hopcroft
  • 10:50, 22 April 2005 Michael Hopcroft

[edit] Page History of Shipping prior to History Merge

  • 19:56, 14 September 2005 Jkelly m (Disambig "romance")
  • 16:31, 12 September 2005 AceMyth (This article was turned into a redirect and needs to be merged here)
  • 22:28, 7 September 2005 128.205.163.96 (→External links)
  • 14:06, 14 August 2005 AceMyth (phrasing/formatting for minimum cumbersomeness effect)
  • 13:59, 14 August 2005 AceMyth m (Removed preference redundancy in favor of prediction element)
  • 09:29, 12 August 2005 AceMyth m (Double "even")
  • 09:27, 12 August 2005 AceMyth m (→Popularity)
  • 09:26, 12 August 2005 AceMyth (→Popularity)
  • 08:49, 12 August 2005 AceMyth m (→Discussion and debate)
  • 02:17, 5 August 2005 AceMyth (→Fandom Wank)
  • 02:10, 5 August 2005 67.175.123.49
  • 01:15, 23 June 2005 218.224.23.34 (→External links)
  • 03:09, 19 June 2005 Evil Monkey m (Reverted edits by 24.213.242.80 to last version by 69.207.24.213)
  • 03:02, 19 June 2005 24.213.242.80
  • 02:58, 19 June 2005 69.207.24.213
  • 02:57, 19 June 2005 69.207.24.213
  • 06:10, 18 June 2005 172.173.95.23 (→External links)
  • 11:31, 16 May 2005 81.11.221.9 (→External links)
  • 04:17, 2 May 2005 Zippo m (→Etymology and usage of terminology)
  • 04:15, 2 May 2005 Zippo (→Etymology and usage of terminology)
  • 12:03, 6 April 2005 Clement Cherlin m (→Discussion and debate - defenition -> definition)
  • 06:54, 27 March 2005 66.122.212.160 (→Fan works)
  • 09:55, 25 March 2005 Mukashi m (Corrected Pokémon Shippers List Link)
  • 13:58, 16 March 2005 128.151.71.20 (→Non-conventional ships)
  • 13:19, 10 February 2005 AceMyth (added a bit of info on fan works section)
  • 02:05, 13 January 2005 JoshG ('Internet' should be capitalized.)
  • 03:11, 10 January 2005 24.241.226.86
  • 20:00, 22 December 2004 Mukashi (Etymology and usage of terminology)
  • 19:54, 22 December 2004 Mukashi m (rocket ship/relationship)
  • 04:32, 16 December 2004 TexasDex (→Non-conventional ships - s/make/male/')
  • 03:29, 8 December 2004 Mukashi (Paragraph for Cohesion & Conflict, once that section is complete and ready to be uncommented)
  • 03:18, 8 December 2004 Mukashi (Non-conventional Ships)
  • 02:57, 8 December 2004 AceMyth m (Wikified "ad hoc hypothesis")
  • 02:26, 8 December 2004 AceMyth (Rephrasing paragraph)
  • 23:16, 7 December 2004 Aranel m (→Etymology and usage of terminology - words as words in italics)
  • 23:10, 7 December 2004 AceMyth m (extra-apostrophe-b-gone)
  • 23:08, 7 December 2004 AceMyth (The etymology of a term is far from equivalent to "who came up with it first". Also, IMO, info about shipping tendencies in fandoms doesn't belong here but in separate Foobar (fandom) articles.)
  • 22:52, 7 December 2004 Aranel (vague structural work, add to intro slightly)
  • 03:36, 5 December 2004 67.10.46.10 (→Discussion and debate)
  • 02:11, 5 December 2004 AceMyth m ("Dude, the damsel in distress archetype is so going to disappear!" "is not!" "is too!")
  • 02:07, 5 December 2004 AceMyth m (→External links)
  • 02:04, 5 December 2004 AceMyth m (→Fan works)
  • 01:54, 5 December 2004 AceMyth
  • 23:29, 4 December 2004 AceMyth (My view on ship debating- integration of other views will be appreciated)
  • 21:18, 4 December 2004 Mukashi (Corrected origin of term paragraph. Minor edit to naming conventions paragraph. Added link to (In)Complete List)
  • 20:32, 4 December 2004 217.132.3.114 (→Popularity of shipping)
  • 18:37, 4 December 2004 AceMyth (Not yet complete)
  • 17:16, 4 December 2004 217.132.3.114 (Started the "shipping (fandom)" page)

[edit] Expected New History

(This is not derived from a single cut and paste from a Page-history page, but rather by hand sorting two such cut and pastes, after italicizing one of them. That seems to be the means least likely to leave behind errors that are not immediately obvious to users.
(In particular, i haven't worried about the order of edits done within the same clock-minute

  • 19:56, 14 September 2005 Jkelly m (Disambig "romance")
  • 16:31, 12 September 2005 AceMyth (This article was turned into a redirect and needs to be merged here)
  • 16:27, 12 September 2005 AceMyth
  • 16:25, 12 September 2005 AceMyth m
  • 16:24, 12 September 2005 AceMyth (This page is about the same thing as [Shipping (fandom)])
  • 22:28, 7 September 2005 128.205.163.96 (→External Links)
  • 22:28, 7 September 2005 128.205.163.96 (→External links)
  • 21:28, 18 August 2005 Atlantima m
  • 14:06, 14 August 2005 AceMyth (phrasing/formatting for minimum cumbersomeness effect)
  • 13:59, 14 August 2005 AceMyth m (Removed preference redundancy in favor of prediction element)
  • 09:29, 12 August 2005 AceMyth m (Double "even")
  • 09:27, 12 August 2005 AceMyth m (→Popularity)
  • 09:26, 12 August 2005 AceMyth (→Popularity)
  • 08:49, 12 August 2005 AceMyth m (→Discussion and debate)
  • 02:17, 5 August 2005 AceMyth (→Fandom Wank)
  • 02:10, 5 August 2005 67.175.123.49
  • 16:58, 27 July 2005 Canderson7 m (disambiguation link repair (You can help!))
  • 01:15, 23 June 2005 218.224.23.34 (→External links)
  • 03:09, 19 June 2005 Evil Monkey m (Reverted edits by 24.213.242.80 to last version by 69.207.24.213)
  • 03:02, 19 June 2005 24.213.242.80
  • 02:58, 19 June 2005 69.207.24.213
  • 02:57, 19 June 2005 69.207.24.213
  • 06:10, 18 June 2005 172.173.95.23 (→External links)
  • 11:31, 16 May 2005 81.11.221.9 (→External links)
  • 18:26, 10 May 2005 24.233.51.188
  • 12:28, 9 May 2005 Everyking m
  • 14:08, 5 May 2005 The Epopt m ('shippers)
  • 22:26, 2 May 2005 Everyking m
  • 04:17, 2 May 2005 Zippo m (→Etymology and usage of terminology)
  • 04:15, 2 May 2005 Zippo (→Etymology and usage of terminology)
  • 00:42, 24 April 2005 Emperorbma (cat fandom)
  • 10:53, 22 April 2005 Michael Hopcroft
  • 10:50, 22 April 2005 Michael Hopcroft
  • 12:03, 6 April 2005 Clement Cherlin m (→Discussion and debate - defenition -> definition)
  • 06:54, 27 March 2005 66.122.212.160 (→Fan works)
  • 09:55, 25 March 2005 Mukashi m (Corrected Pokémon Shippers List Link)
  • 13:58, 16 March 2005 128.151.71.20 (→Non-conventional ships)
  • 13:19, 10 February 2005 AceMyth (added a bit of info on fan works section)
  • 02:05, 13 January 2005 JoshG ('Internet' should be capitalized.)
  • 03:11, 10 January 2005 24.241.226.86
  • 20:00, 22 December 2004 Mukashi (Etymology and usage of terminology)
  • 19:54, 22 December 2004 Mukashi m (rocket ship/relationship)
  • 04:32, 16 December 2004 TexasDex (→Non-conventional ships - s/make/male/')
  • 03:29, 8 December 2004 Mukashi (Paragraph for Cohesion & Conflict, once that section is complete and ready to be uncommented)
  • 03:18, 8 December 2004 Mukashi (Non-conventional Ships)
  • 02:57, 8 December 2004 AceMyth m (Wikified "ad hoc hypothesis")
  • 02:26, 8 December 2004 AceMyth (Rephrasing paragraph)
  • 23:16, 7 December 2004 Aranel m (→Etymology and usage of terminology - words as words in italics)
  • 23:10, 7 December 2004 AceMyth m (extra-apostrophe-b-gone)
  • 23:08, 7 December 2004 AceMyth (The etymology of a term is far from equivalent to "who came up with it first". Also, IMO, info about shipping tendencies in fandoms doesn't belong here but in separate Foobar (fandom) articles.)
  • 22:52, 7 December 2004 Aranel (vague structural work, add to intro slightly)
  • 03:36, 5 December 2004 67.10.46.10 (→Discussion and debate)
  • 02:11, 5 December 2004 AceMyth m ("Dude, the damsel in distress archetype is so going to disappear!" "is not!" "is too!")
  • 02:07, 5 December 2004 AceMyth m (→External links)
  • 02:04, 5 December 2004 AceMyth m (→Fan works)
  • 01:54, 5 December 2004 AceMyth
  • 23:29, 4 December 2004 AceMyth (My view on ship debating- integration of other views will be appreciated)
  • 21:18, 4 December 2004 Mukashi (Corrected origin of term paragraph. Minor edit to naming conventions paragraph. Added link to (In)Complete List)
  • 20:32, 4 December 2004 217.132.3.114 (→Popularity of shipping)
  • 18:37, 4 December 2004 AceMyth (Not yet complete)
  • 17:16, 4 December 2004 217.132.3.114 (Started the "shipping (fandom)" page)

[edit] Requesting Expansion of "Conflicted Fandoms" Section

The "Conflicted Fandoms" section currently contains the fandoms I'm familiar with, which happen to be various "biggies" (Naruto is hugely popular, Pokemon used to be hugely popular for quite a while, and I needn't say a word about Harry Potter). But I'm only one person and I bet there are notable ones I've missed, so if anybody here has experienced any shipping madness firsthand that they can contribute, you are very welcome to do so. (BTW I bracketed "Star Wars" as a comment becaue it contained no details of actual shipping prominence, just the existence of various ships which is pretty trivial - and I don't know much about that fandom so I couldn't rewrite it, either. If anyone can provide any elaboration on any notable shipping conflict it has, please do.) --AceMyth 00:40, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Clarifying my previous comment: That is not to say that any cluttering up of the article would automatically be a good idea just because it adds information. I've inserted bracketed comments in the appropriate section that I see as a good guideline. --AceMyth 07:44, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Man, it's been a long time since I've edited this article...
Anyway, I'll fix up that Pokémon one just quickly. While it's true that some of the main debates currently center around if Misty has feelings for Ash or Tracey, that's only really come up in the last six months to a year, and the main debates of the Pokémon shipping golden era were between PokéShipping (Ash/Misty) and PalletShipping (Ash/Gary). --Mukashi 07:18, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
While I think of it...we might need to clean up the section for Naruto too. While it's true that the NaruSaku fans are getting support from events in the manga post-timeskip...the NaruHina's are getting huge levels of service from the current filler season in the anime (For instance, Naruto remarking that he saw a pretty girl in the waterfall last night, which happened to be, unknown to him, Hinata training in the nude), as well as firm confirmation in the manga that the post-timeskip Hinata still has feelings for Naruto. --Mukashi 07:35, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Unfortunately, it seems to be a consensus among everybody that filler doesn't count. And when I say "everybody" I mean even the same people who make the fillers. Well, at the very least now we know what they ship. =p --AceMyth 03:29, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Megatokyo fandom

Gee - you could have just eliminated the individual strip number. - Erika and Largo seem the best ship underway though we see Kimiko also finally moving her way forward with the very obtuse Piro.

[edit] Yugioh Shipper's List

I know I've seen it, and it's complex and complete. Can we link it, at the very least?

I know the Pokémon fandom's "(In)Complete List of Shippers" over on the Bulbapedia Wiki was linked to from this article at one stage. I'm not sure why it was removed, but I can only assume that if the Pokémon fandom's one isn't linked, yours wouldn't be either.
A shame really, since I know the Yugioh fandom's list is almost as developed as ours, and I know other major fandoms with specialized ship names often maintain other similar lists. --Mukashi 15:07, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Examples

I can understand pruning back the list of examples, but the choices of which ones to keep seems to have been quite arbitrary. Harry Potter makes sense because it's such an enormous fandom and Xena for the sexual orientation angle, but Daria? I don't see what makes a mostly-forgotten MTV cartoon a more notable example than all of the ones that have been removed. 71.236.33.191 20:21, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

To be honest, this is really going to accomplish nothing. The list will simply bloat back again. Pacific Coast Highway blahmy tracks 18:37, 4 June 2006 (UTC)


Example cases aren't there just to give some fandom a shout-out. They're there to better illustrate the subject. The Daria section is informative, annotated and helps the reader better understand what the shipping culture is like. Other examples (some of which keep popping up after being deleted) utterly fail to fulfill this function. --AceMyth 17:34, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

To be honest, I feel the only examples that belong up there are the HP fandom (media exposure) and the Xena fandom (the naughty bits). We don't need to overrun the article with a bunch of things. Pacific Coast Highway (blahlol, internet) 05:36, 14 July 2006 (UTC)


Rather than having the Pokémon one pop back up yet again later, perhaps it might be worth putting up a link to the History of Pokémon Shipping case study over on the Bulbapedia. While it's very much a work in progress, and there's a few factual errors that still need to be corrected, it's as definitive a work as you'll find for that fandom, outside of us providing an example of the infamous "General Rebuttal of PalletShipping" essay series. --Mukashi 14:01, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

It looks like we have a potential POV issue with the Harry Potter example. The line "Despite overwhelming book evidence supporting the Harry/Draco pairing" is a pretty obvious tip-off there. Especially considering that this supposed evidence doesn't exist in the first place. (A POV statement of my own there, I know, but I'm fairly sure that the author has stated as much herself in regards to it) --Mukashi 15:26, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Etymology of Shipping

I'm just curious (not being a native speaker): Couldn't it be possible that the term "shipping", as an abbreviation, originally derives from the verb "to worship"? I immediately got this idea when I heard about "shipping" because it's usually done by someone who wor"ships" a certain work of fiction. Of course this doesn't mean that the current explanation is completely wrong. However, as the "relationship/rocket-ship pun" can only serve as an explanation from 1998 onwards, I think that the article should also take into account the above possibility.--Diavolino79 01:51, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Weasel Words

Right now there are many examples of weasel words in this article. Statements like, "Some fans thought..." or "Many fans believed...", that kind of thing. It ascribes an opinion to a vaguely-defined, unspecified and unquantified group of anonymous people. Every opinion must be sourced, and every source must be verifiable and reliable. That's especially difficult in an article of this type, with fandom as its subject, but as it stands it lacks a large number of necessary sources.--Nalvage 23:32, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Seriously, WTF. This article is indepth to an insane degree (and only 1000 words less than George Washington) and in most cases uses forums and blog posts as its sources (if it bothers to cite sources at all). The Examples section needs to be cut down severely as it comprises most of the article and is mostly fancruft.140.140.58.8 20:17, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spoiler Warnings

I think it might be appropriate to either attempt to remove some of the spoileristic/spoilertastic information in the Harry Potter section (and possibly others-- I'm not really familiar enough with them to know) or put a spoiler warning there. IMFromKathlene 08:40, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

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