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Contents 1 Citation needed under 'Escape' 2 Recent continuous vandalism 3 Ted Tonks 4 Rewrite 5 External links 6 Ga failed 7 Sirius's bike

[edit] Citation needed under 'Escape'

The citation for the fact that Dementors cannot sense dog thoughts as well as human thoughts is on page 372 of 'The Prisoner of Azkaban. Thus, I will be removing the citation tag. t.z0n3

[edit] Recent continuous vandalism

It seems to be the same vandalism, over and over again. I noticed at for the first while, the IP addresses were similar, save for the last few numbers. I'm wondering if this is coming from an internet cafe or school computers? I hardly think its random, because the edits are the same. Disinclination 16:19, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Some people have very weird imaginations. Michaelsanders 16:31, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

or simply dont know much about internet :) 62.194.170.62 03:42, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ted Tonks

Regarding a recent change and reversion: Ted Tonks was originally listed as a muggle-born wizard. An anon changed this to muggle. Reaves then reverted it (with a masterful summary: 'rvv'). He has, I suspect, done the user a bit of a disservice.

In OotP, Ted Tonks is referred to by Tonks as Muggle-born. On the Black Family Tree, however, he is referred to as Muggle Ted Tonks. Now, the obvious answer would be, "The Blacks consider Muggle-borns and Muggles to be the same", which would nicely allow us to keep both statements. However, that is OR. So, we have a choice.

Do we take the published canon statement as the fact, and ignore the more recent semi-canon data (and list Ted as Muggle-born)? Or do we take the more recent data as more representative of what Rowling thinks now, and ignore the OotP statement as no longer being what she thinks (i.e. list him as a Muggle)? Michaelsanders 02:06, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

If you have a lame comment about me, put it on my talk page, not here. (You don't want to get blocked again do you?) It's common usage to use "rvv", meaning revert vandalism. Maybe if you were more familiar with using edit summaries, you'd be able to comprehend. There's even a handy list of common abbreviations I use on my Userpage. John Reaves 02:16, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

In regards to the real issue here, I don't think it'd hurt to just delete the any reference to his blood or status since the issue is disputed and he's fairly minor. John Reaves 02:16, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I hope you'll apologise to the user you accused of vandalism then: apparently, the rules are strict about that sort of thing. Michaelsanders 02:23, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

And the Tonks issue has to be decided. We can't just ignore it. Michaelsanders 02:24, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

No reason, he removed content without an indication as to why. Maybe he should have inserted a personal attack as the summary, those seem clear things up nicely. Don't you think?

Anyway, it seems pretty trivial to me. John Reaves 02:28, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Nonetheless, you accused another editor of vandalism without good cause - it was a content issue, rather than an incidence of vandalism. You should probably apologise. And the issue is hardly top importance, but it does need to be settled. Michaelsanders 02:50, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

See {{test1a}} {{test2del}} {{test2a}} to prove yourself wrong. I see that being blocked has made you into a more righteous person; you thanked me and you are actually suggesting apologizing. How about that? I think it should be settled at a more relevant page, like wherever Ted Tonks is listed. John Reaves 03:02, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rewrite

Proposed rewrite text beginnings are here. Proposed replacement

Is this a work in progress? Half the article is missing. John Reaves (talk) 18:06, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it is. I put it up so that work could begin now - there's a lot still to do (half the article needs to be integrated into the other half). Michaelsanders 18:08, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Did you delete the last names to prevent redundancy? John Reaves (talk) 18:13, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

If you mean the first mention of the Black Sisters, then yes: it's made clear that they are Blacks by birth (and I even made it more explicit), and their marriages are mentioned later. Michaelsanders 18:36, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm looking over the proposed rewrite, and I'll be working on it soon. PNW Raven 00:52, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Should the proposed text replace the article now, or should it wait until you have finished checking it over? Michaelsanders 17:13, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Give me a little more time (I'm almost finished). PNW Raven 17:30, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Just a question in the rewrite; where is it mentioned (in the books) that Sirius stopped trusting Remus? Disinclination 18:44, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

POA, P.273: "Wouldn't Sirius have told you they'd changed the plan?" "Not if he thought I was the spy, Peter," said Lupin. "I assume that's why you didn't tell me, Sirius?"... "Forgive me, Remus," said Black. "Not at all...and will you, in turn, forgive me for believing you were the spy?" Michaelsanders 18:52, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd presume Remus was referring to thinking Black was the spy following the November Massacres. Though it's possible that he was referring to before that. Michaelsanders 18:55, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I think it's ready to be posted. PNW Raven 13:37, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Right then, I'll do that now. Michaelsanders 14:32, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

It's done: thanks for your work, Raven. Great job! Michaelsanders 14:39, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome!PNW Raven 18:06, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Has anybody considered nominating this article for GA status. It pretty good now. Also, when your done with the sandbox, you should tag it for deletion. John Reaves (talk) 22:38, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, I think it's good enough to be nominated, although I'm still doing some "tweaking" to it. Just minor changes to sentence syntax, not overall content, which although long, I found interesting.PNW Raven 18:58, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

As a GA reviewer I would fail this - external links need conversion to references, and a final prose copyedit by a non editor of HP articles would be a good idea. RHB ^{Talk - Edits} 00:07, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] External links

I'm curious as to why we are adding fan links on Wikipedia. Arn't those considered linkspam? I see such links deleted all the time.. simply because they're just.. fan sites, links, etc. Disinclination 23:54, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I see your point. Perhaps just one link to a fan site (if it's good) would be appropriate. John Reaves (talk) 00:02, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to go through them a little bit later, seing as I really don't think 5 or 6 fan sites should belong on Wikipedia. Disinclination 04:33, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ga failed

Insufficently cited and referenced, but the main thing is that most of the article concerns itself not with the real world but with the fictional one of Harry Potter. Per WP:FICT this is not on. Some of the material in the article would appear to be OR and there are a few peacock terms floating around. Moreschi ^Deletion! 10:31, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sirius's bike

It is possible that Hagrid allowed it to roam the Forbidden Forest, as he does some of his pets; alternately, it might have fallen into the possession of Arthur Weasley who has an obsession with enchanting Muggle artifacts and once owned a similarly capable car.

Removed this and the warning since its just taking up space. Since it has never been approached where it may be, anything else is really OR. Disinclination 06:22, 26 March 2007 (UTC)