Talk:Ski jumping

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Some information on how high / far a ski jumper can go would be nice. The world record is apparently 194 m. I'm trying to find how high.

I edited the article to say maximum distances of around 140m are reached on the large hill (K120). Distances of over 130m are commonplace and Malysz actually jumped 151.5m at Willingen (a K120 hill). The world record is held by Bjørn Einar Romøren and its 239m, not sure how it would fit into the article but it's definitely correct information. Maybe a bullet point after K90 and K120 to include ski-flying (around K170-K185) is appropriate.

The 239m record is in ski flying, not ski jumping. They are different events, and ski flying hills are much larger. --Ifrit 22:11, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

That distinction is in name only. Ski flying is really a subclass of ski jumping. Same athletes compete in both events, using same equipment and under the same rules. In FIS official webpage http://www.fis-ski.com/ all ski flying competitions are listed under the ski jumping section. --Alatopi 15:48, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Answer: The ski jumper is never any higher than at the take-off point in the jump. So, depending on the structure, heights vary from very low to as high as 9m. As for distance, again, depending on the hill, the jumpers are only allowed to jump to the "critical point" which is defined as the point the hill goes from a downward slope to a transition point where the hill starts the outrun.

Actually the high point of jumper's trajectory is somewhat after the take-off. After all they do _jump_ from the take-off ramp. I don't have any reliable figures of how high they go from the ground but I have heard that nowadays it's only about four meters off the ground even on the ski flying hills. During the 80s - before the V-style - the hills were different. The take-off ramps were pointed more upwards and the jumper could be flung as high as ten meters from the ground on the largest ski flying hills. But this is really only a hearsay. --Alatopi 16:08, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Contents 1 points 2 Normal Hill K95 3 An older technique 4 training 5 Proposed merge

[edit] points

I miss an explanation in how points in ski jumping are givenArnemann 14:44, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Normal Hill K95

I notice that in this year's Olympic games, the Normal hill is K95 and not K90. Is the main article a typo, or is it a different standard for Olympic jumps?

Normal hill is actually any hill with a critical point between 80 and 105 metres. K90 is by far the most common though. Bogfjellmo 22:31, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] An older technique

The article states "Previous techniques first included the Kongsberger technique" but it seems an earlier one existed in the 1920s — see this clip from Switzerland I put on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4IM0NrRR2Y

[edit] training

How do ski jumpers learn? Do they just throw you down the ramp and expect you to pull it off? Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 03:16, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed merge

Can't see anyplace else this is discussed. If we're collecting opinions to sound a consensus:

• Oppose the merge. The article will grow, and a ski flying section in the ski jumping article will most likely grow and link into a {{main.. in the end anyway. MURGH ^disc. 23:48, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge by all means. It may never outgrow the need of just one article. MURGH ^disc. 01:35, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
• Merge. Ski flying is not a sport of its own, "ski flying" is marketing talk for ski jumping in hills larger than the traditional K90 and K120 hills. Having the subject of ski jumping separated into two different articles gives a false impression of there being a distinction other than hill size between ski jumping and ski jumping, which there in reality is not.--Gosub 14:09, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I support this view. There will never be a fixed distinction between ski flying and "ordinary" ski jumping. The Norwegian-language article fully integrates the two. --EvenT 23:06, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

• oppose merge allthough ski flying is a form of ski jumping one can say there are two disciplines because every two years a ski flying worldchampionship is organised. In the other years there is a ski jumping worldchampionship (element of the Nordic Ski Worldchampionships) Miho NL 13:30, 15 March 2007 (UTC)