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[edit] Small Word change
I removed the word traditional from in front of "traditional nuclear family". The idea that the nuclear family is and has always been a "normal" or "traditional" family, and that other arangments are new or deviant is simply revisionist history. It is similar to the false idea that before the 1960s women were always housewives, or that before the sexual revolution only married people had sex, and then only in the missionary position.
The nuclear family is not traditional
- (Agree, easily. And the traditional family is not nuclear. Martin | talk • contribs 02:18, 14 February 2007 (UTC))
I propose that this page be replaced with a redirect to the Conservatism page, where social conservatism is well described and related to other types of conservatism.
Database 15:29, May 14, 2004 (UTC)
- I disagree - it should remain here. The article could actually be expanded quite a bit. --Blackcats 21:53, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
- Oppose merging/redirecting because social conservatism pertains to Christian Democracy (which CD template links here), whereas conservatism in general does not relate. GUÐSÞEGN – UTEX – 04:58, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose, per what Guospegn said. Itake 14:42, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose,mildly, because it stikes me that many people are "social conservatives" and "economic liberals". It might make as much sense to merge this with liberal as with conservative. Or, arguendo, with social. Martin | talk • contribs 02:18, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Moved to talk
Its opponents commonly associate it with conservative religious groups, especially those that are fundamentalist, in addition to militarism and nationalism. Unattributed, assumptive, and hot-button - page deserves better. Pollinator 05:12, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] NPOV
So could anyone explain what the NPOV problem seems to be? Itake 20:26, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry, an edit conflict arose while posting the following. In my opinion, this article has become biased. The reference to Kinder, Küche, Kirche seems to be a gratuitous attempt to link the philosophy to the Nazis, and the former linkage to oppression and injustice was the view of the editor, and would be disputed by people such as Peter Hitchens himself. I will try to correct some of this. Philip Cross 20:36, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
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- Wow... somebody wrote "genocide against homosexuals"!!! Wikipedia has a long way to go... Will help out on cleaning up the POV here. ER MD 20:17, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
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- Alrighty, read this article and it was so discombobulated (or however you spell that word) that I pared down the POV. Before somebody writes, it should be structed better so that it flows. Also removed lots of soapboxing. Also social conservatism is not necessarily a "cristian democracy" so that box was removed. ER MD 20:58, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] BIASED LANGUAGE
This article contains several usages of biased language and creates a strawman of opponents of social conservatism. The very defenition: "support for traditional morality and social mores" ignores the fact that social conservatism support only what they perceive to be "traditional values." But the most outrageous part of this article is its claims that critics of social conservatism "are usually those who see no particular value in established tradition and consider it to be an impediment to positive change." Most critics of social conservatism assert that the movement has been highly selective in what they consider traditional values, and at times have been accused of creating an idealistic past that never, in fact, existed. Many critics also charge that social conservatism is tinged with racist and sexist overtones, as most social conservative positions (i.e. abortion, affirmative action, feminism) relate in one way or another to the role of women and minorities in society. Those interested in a historically minded critque of the social conservative "traditional values" movement would enjoy the book "The Way We Never Were: American Families and the Nostalgia Trap" by Stephanie Coontz.
- Agreeing with most of that. The language does seem biased in favour of conservatism. I think it's worth raising this as a NPOV dispute.--BigglesTh9 08:12, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Bias
Examples of major movements in American History that social conservatives have opposed include freedom of religion, abolition of slavery and Jim Crow laws, same-sex marriage, the suffrage of women and racial minorities, termination of child labor, the choice of abortion, the teaching of evolution in public schools, ending McCarthyism, and equal civil rights for African-Americans.
This might be true but it is certainly not NPOV. It depicts social conservatives as still wishing to keep old practices that nobody would even think about bringing back today. I am myself a social conservative and I don't promote coming back to child labor, slavery or men-only suffrage! Someone should try to find a formultion that would tell the truth about the history of social conservatism without depicting social conservatives as cruel, sexist and racist people.
Don't forget that social conservatives progress too. Canjth 00:51, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Intelligent design project?
How is this topic related to Intelligent Design? I don't see it. Martin | talk • contribs 02:23, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] What does social conservatism mean?
Re: the scope of definition:
- What is the range of the term's current usage around the world
- Which branch of knowledge claims to own the term. Is it a political term?
- Does it have direct analogs in other languages?
- Are there ambiguities in the usage of the term; different groups having adopted the term but with a different meaning?
- If it has a generally accepted meaning, are there different terms in other languages that have the same denotation? Is there a "socially conservative" movement in Iraq, and what is it called?
- And is this article attempting to answer these question?
In the USA:
