Talk:Sogdiana
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[edit] Sogdians are not the ancestors of Uzbeks!
Sogdians are among the ancesteral lines of modern-day Tajiks! Uzbeks, on the other hand, are a Turkic people who migrated to Central-Asia (modern Uzbekistan) in the 15th century - that means: more than 1000 years after Sogdiana! The following text is taken from the article Uzbeks:
... The Uzbeks began as a group of tribes affiliated with the Golden Horde. In 1422, a group of nomadic clans east of the Lower Volga, including Qangli, Qunggirat, Mahnghit, seceded from the central authority of the khan at Sarai (near modern Volgograd). They called themselves Uzbeks, after the Horde's most famous ruler, Uzbeg Khan. Their first leader, Barak, ravaged the lower Volga area between Sarai and Astrakhan, but he was murdered in 1428. Barak was succeeded by Abul Khayr, a descendant of Batu's brother Shiban. The ruling house was therefore known as the Shibanids. In 1431, Abul Khayr moved to the central Kazakh steppe. In 1446, however, he changed his policy. The tribes moved south towards the Aral Sea and the Syr Darya to resume contacts with the sedentarists in Transoxania. ...
There is no connection between the ancient Sogdians and modern Uzbeks. Sogdians are neither linguistic ancestors nor genetical ancestors of the Uzbeks. -213.39.138.12 21:44, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Sogdians are the ancestors of Uzbeks!
[edit] Historians Calum MacLeod and Bradley Mayhew in their “Golden Road to Samarkand” say “visitors come for a Sogdian culture that predates political boundaries and lies at the ethnic of both the Tajik and Uzbek peoples” (page 182)
- I think it is reasonably safe to state that many (perhaps most?) modern-day ethnic Uzbeks are aslo partly descended from assimilated Persians and Tocharians and that the Mongols also left their genetic footprints in some clans/blood lines. //Big Adamsky 21:55, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
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- Maybe, but usually, ethnic Tajiks are distinct from ethnic Uzbeks. Tajiks are what people call Caucasian and they speak an Indo-European language (Persian). Uzbeks, on the other hand, are mostly Mongoloid and they speak a Turkic (Altaic) language. Those "Uzbeks" who may be descendants of ancient Sogdians and Bactrians are actually ethnic Tajiks who are being "Uzbekized" by the nationalist government in Uzbekistan. Read the following article which is a reasearch done by the Harvard University, stating that up to 40% of Uzbekistan's population is actually ethnic Tajik: http://medlem.spray.se/Samarqand/index.html
- -213.39.138.12 17:50, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] High Middle Ages?
Why is a term for European history periodization being used for Central Asian history, it makes more sense to throw in some century numbers. Jztinfinity 02:34, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
