Talk:Sports Illustrated
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[edit] Ironic?
Why is it "Ironically" that "it is probably most famous for its "swimsuit issue""? If anything, it's natural... --Menchi 06:58, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- It may be "natural" that half-removed, sometimes non-existent (i.e., painted on) swimsuits attract the average beer-soaked, lecherous, testosterone-fueled sports fan that the magazine largely appeals to today, but it is also "ironic" that a publication that began as a serious literary endeavor and has employed some of the great writers, photographers and editors of the twentieth century has come to be seen by many as a trojan horse for hard core pornography in many middle class homes.
- Rdikeman 14:37, Jan 22, 2005 (UTC)
[edit] POV
There seem to be major POV problems in this article. Half of the article is devoted to bashing the magazine as it exists today.--70.21.176.95 03:08, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- It seems this comment would apply only to the "Creative decline" subsection, and every POV there is qualified (e.g., "seemed to some," etc.) and attributed, but if you can improve it, have a go!
- Rdikeman 14:37, Jan 22, 2005 (UTC)
I am taking out this sentence "They do not focus much on women's sport, only men's" from the "Innovation" section. As a single sentence, it does not make any sense in that section. If there is source material for this claim it should be make into a more cohesive criticism. Johntex 21:28, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Agree with the above statement about POV. To have a section entitled "creative decline" implies that it is a given and has absolutely happened, rather than something like "controversy over creative decline" that would place the "creative decline" in doubt and be more NPOV. 70.28.107.177 21:36, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
- So tagged. Quadzilla99 00:45, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Tyra Banks
Can anyone tell me when was the first time Tyra Banks was in sports illustrated?
The first time that Tyra Banks was in Sports Illustrated was in 1993. She was on the cover for the first time in 1996. I believe that she was the first African American on the cover of the SI Swimsuit Issue. Maple Leaf 14:35, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Cover Jinx
[edit] Separate Article?
"The Dreaded SI Cover Jinx" has become as much an institution, however imaginary it might be, as the Swimsuit Issue. If the Swimsuit Issue (which, I just realized, also has the initials SI) has its own separate page (and why not?) then the DSICJ should as well. That way, as many examples of it as can be thought of can be posted without making the original SI page too long.
- I agree that it could be split out into a separate article, another jinx was added to the list today. It could have separate sections with individual deaths and team losses. The article would need to point out that during weekly coverage of sports, it is likely that one or more teams may suffer losses and bad things may happen. A careful study would show that an appearance on the cover of Sports Illustrated is actually a blessing and reward, not a curse and a jinx. And you need to be essentially good and lucky to appear there in the first place. For example, UCLA is noted as having 105 appearances. Bill Walton appeared 5 times and John Wooden once during UCLA's 88 game basketball winning streak. Group29 13:59, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Jinx inclusion:
I noticed my addition of Charles Thompson and the Sooners was removed because: "rv previous - three months after his team (not he) was on the cover, he was "jinxed" into breaking the law? Sorry, no." My response to the apparent time problem is thus: SI itself cited the cover jinx with Laurence Rochon Owen who died a full year after her appearence; here both the Sooners and Thompson were "victims" a year later; both Switzer and Thompson had not changed jobs in that time. As for the fact that the person did a criminal act, the jinx is about bad things happening. If Thompson is problematic, then point can certainly be made for the Sooners. --Bobak 02:07, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
- The time lapse is the least of the problems with this case (and my understanding is -- from this article and other sources -- that Laurence Owen died two days after the date of her cover; please provide a source to the contrary if you disagree). I believe the common definition of a "jinx" is all about bad luck; in other words, things beyond one's control. Committing a crime is not the result of bad luck! And if you are trying now to switch the "victim" to the Oklahoma football program, you're not going to make much more sense claiming that their choice of recruits is the result of bad luck! =:-D
- I am not going to re-remove the section I disputed; I believe this article is active enough to allow others to decide.
- Rdikeman 12:34, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
We might want to consider rewriting that part about the Yankees in a few months, if they fail to win a championship this year, they will be the highest salaried baseball team that hasn't won a championship this century (Half a decade).
[edit] Sports photography
It seems that their sports photography isnt emphasized enough in this article. I think a subhead called "photography" or "sports photography" should be added, with the photography info already in the article moved to it, and of course expounded upon. Today they are the leaders in sports photography, setting up two to four DOZEN remote cameras at events like the NCAA final four. Keep in mind I'm a sports photography enthusiast myself and might be biased, hense why I wanna discuss this before doing it. Of course, this would be a good place in the article for some of their more famous photos. I am new to Wiki, I wonder if putting a famous SI photograph in the article would be against the copyright policy? Dtemp 18:33, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] the title of the page
i think th i looks too much like an l but thats ust my opinion.i think we shouldmove it so we can tell its an iI will marry gollum one day 23:10, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Deleting "Criticism"
Not that I think SI is above criticism, but this:
*SI has been criticised for not putting Baseball on the cover enough, even during the World Series and playoffs. It was even once revealed to WFAN broadcaster Chris Russo that they cant stand baseball.
is a combination of weasel words and unsourced statements (not to mention appearing to be original research). If anyone can justify this with documentation, please feel free to put back in. Until then, it doesn't belong in the article. --Chancemichaels 15:56, 26 October 2006 (UTC)Chancemichaels
Anybody who passionatly listens to Mike and the Mad Dog knows that Russo found out that SI hates baseball.
