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Contents 1 Tragopan melanocephalus 2 Cockatoo redirects 3 Thank you 4 On Bulwer's Pheasant 5 Imperial Parrot 6 bold 7 Image for Labrador Duck 8 Categories 9 Fauna of New Guinea 10 Bronx Zoo disambiguation edit? 11 Bird caps 12 Superb Lyrebird 13 Giant Sable Antelope 14 About Pavo (genus) 15 Bronx zoo birds 16 Blue-gray Tanager 17 Red Panda at Prospect Park Zoo 18 Red Bird Of Paradise 19 Congo Peafowl Hissing Female 20 White-breasted Guineafowl 21 Article typo? 22 Kookaburra merger 23 Green Peafowl 24 Steller sea lion 25 hi 26 Lesser Melampitta descrption very misleading 27 Image placement 28 Bird images 29 Thank you

[edit] Tragopan melanocephalus

Was wondering why you reverted the last edit. I usually add the scientific names next to the common names on the species pages so that people coming in via the scientific name can see why they were diverted there. Shyamal 11:04, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, it is a general practise that the article title is mentioned in the introduction. So although both the common name and scientific name are mentioned in the taxobox, it is a general practise to include them both on the introductory section. Shyamal 11:55, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cockatoo redirects

Humm, I was told by someone in the beginning that it was better to avoid redirects, but I just checked the relevant wikipedia guideline, and saw it whould not be done. Darn, I was apparently put at the wrong idea. Ok, I am going to fix them.... Thanks for asking. Kim van der Linde ^{at venus} 00:37, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

hello stavenn, thank you for adding taxobox to the article "Victoria's Riflebird", which i started a couple of days ago. today i logged in to add taxobox, but i found out that you had already done what i was gonna do. ;) thank you once again.

[edit] On Bulwer's Pheasant

I'll take your word that it's not a hoax. The general flavour of the article seemed indicative though. I've chopped out the parts that didn't belong, and it feels like a more proper article now. --Improv 17:09, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

• I suggest that the kitchen-fridge drawing doesn't belong. If you feel that the courtship ritual does belong, is there a way you can write it that sounds more encyclopedic and less like a celebration? I also would like to rename the article to Wattled Pheasant, as by the links you sent, that seems to be a more proper name for the article. Does that sound ok? --Improv 21:55, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Imperial Parrot

Imperial Parrot is a common name of the species. Be more careful with your edit ! Do not move any article without discussing first. See : Wikipedia:WikiProject Birds.--Stavenn 03:55, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. You should leave a note when creating such articles saying that they are intended to be that way, otherwise it looks like a violation of the naming guidelines. JoaoRicardo^talk 04:04, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] bold

Please see here

A query about Pavo (genus). Do they hybridise in the wild, or just in captivity - I don't know if the ranges overlap.

You seem to be doing sterling work on the Oz birds - I hadn't picked up on this until I saw your user page, since I've not seen the vast majority of the species you are covering. jimfbleak 06:09, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

later.. I noticed that Satanic Eared Nightjar did not have nightjar in its "what links here" list, because the latter hyphenates as Eared-Nightjar. I've fixed this with a redirect, but it's always worth checking that families and other items you expect to see in the "what links here" are actually there, given alternative names and the hyphen nightmare. jimfbleak 10:21, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image for Labrador Duck

I noticed you inserted a photograph of a specimen in the taxobox for Labrador Duck. It's a good photograph, when enlarged, but I don't think it works as well as the illustration for an in-line image in the taxobox--the contrast is fairly low, and it gets muddy when reduced. Also, the male is not shown. I like what has evolved for Great Auk, where there is an illustration in the taxobox and then a gallery below for museum specimens. I think this works well for most species, and is a good plan for extinct species, where the engraving shown first immediately adds a bit of historic context. What do you think? --Cotinis 13:24, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Categories

Steve the Category:Fauna of New Guinea is linked to Category:Fauna of Indonesia and Category:Fauna of Papua New Guinea. There is a discussion on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Tree of Life, I didnt remove and or add any Category:Fauna of Australia to those I changed. And they should be put under Category:Birds of Australia. Enlil Ninlil 18:13, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Your proposal is what I had in mind, I think there should be a category for each of the major island or island groups and add them to the Fauna of ..Country. That is what I hope to achieve. We can include them in the category New Guinea and the Category Fauna of Indonesia/P.N.G. Its so hard mate. Thankyou. Enlil Ninlil 04:52, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fauna of New Guinea

I was wondering whether you had any references which could help towards this article, and whether you could help expand it. Especially in areas that aren't amphibians or mammals. Thanks --liquidGhoul 03:48, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Great thanks. --liquidGhoul 12:20, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi Stavenn, thanks for your message, and please see my reply on my talk page. Arjuna 02:46, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi again Stavenn, thanks for your reply to mine, and I've posted another one on my talk page. Arjuna 06:00, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Btw, I really appreciate the work you've put in in adding all the new articles on the avifauna. Good work! Arjuna 06:04, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Stavenn, you may wish to read some of these reports The Last Frontier - Illegal Logging in Papua and China's Massive Timber Theft

"Above the Law"

Terror-razing the Forest - While there have been several high-risk efforts to document environmental damages please appreciate that the whole of West New Guinea has been declared a "military operational zone" since the mid 1960s, and that both the media and NGOs are not allowed unsupervised access. And not forgetting the import of exotics like various Asian monkeys, diseases and parasites which wreak havoc on the Australian biosystems. Hope that helps. :)211.30.222.139 17:41, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bronx Zoo disambiguation edit?

Hello Stavenn- I don't know why you reverted my addition of a "disambiguation" note on The Bronx Zoo page - I have put it back. This was not vandalism or a joke, it is a legitimate reference to a book titled "The Bronx Zoo" about the New York Yankees, written by Sparky Lyle - his Wiki article тgoes into detail about the book. Please leave it as it appears or leave a note as to why you think it should be removed. (In general an explanation of a change like that is a good idea.) Thank you. Tvoz 08:30, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

That's ok, no harm done!Tvoz 15:08, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bird caps

Thanks for pointing that out. However, there are numerous examples in the List of Australian, New Zealand and Antarctic birds where the second word in a hyphenated pair is capitalised eg the Storm-Petrels, Diving-Petrels, Whistling-Ducks, etc. I suppose these should be fixed. Apologies for causing you extra work. GrahamBould 08:24, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Superb Lyrebird

I don't recalled anything saying the image on taxobox was the male Superb Lyrebird displaying in courtship. It just written : Menura novaehollandiae, male - AMNH. Most of museum, not only American Museum ??, put the tail upright just to show what the tails look like, not because they didn't know. Regarding the tail when courtship display, it already mentioned on the article : During courtship display, the tail is fanned forward beyond his head to form a silvery white canopy.--Stavenn 03:36, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

The AMNH to which the image of the Superb Lyrebird is attributed, is short for the American Museum of Natural History, so the image is from an American museum as I commented.

I wrote the trivia section, commenting that the tail is not correct for display (of which I am also aware of), because the way the tail is raised (in the featured image) is misleading.

I am not impressed by your attempt to patronise me by instructing me as to how the Lyrebird actually holds its tail. I am an Australian, and I have always been aware of the actual position in which both the Superb Lyrebird and Albert's Lyrebird hold their tails during their courtship dances. Figaro 04:10, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I notice that you have now done me the discourtesy to reverse my edits of the Superb Lyrebird article. I am not impressed by this discourtesy either. It would appear that you are interested in reversion wars. Figaro 04:17, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

NPOV !! Didn't you read my comment above ? Nobody said the image was Superbird displaying. Enough with your ridiculous accusation. Whose instructing you ? In fact, I don't wanna have anything to do with you. Also, not only Australian (again, NPOV !!) is aware of the bird. Reversion war ?? go ahead !! I don't have time to waste with you. Just contact any admin & their judgment, we'll see from there. See ya !--Stavenn 04:24, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Giant Sable Antelope

Thanks for your contribution to the Giant Sable Antelope article. --Nathan Holland 16:11, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] About Pavo (genus)

As you see, id:Merak is about Peafowl. Peafowl is a name for two genera Pavo (genus) and Afropavo. -- ChongDae 01:03, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bronx zoo birds

I was just at the Bronx zoo this past summer and took many photos of the birds there as well. :) I notice you just created the Black and white casqued hornbill page, I added my photo (the lead for the relevant genus) in a gallery at the bottom. I believe it's the same bird. :) --Dante Alighieri | Talk 21:50, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words. The male Palawan is a bit blurry for my taste (and that was the sharpest shot I could get, that guy didn't want to sit still!), but the plumage sure does stand out. I wasn't able to get a shot of the green junglefowl, unfortunately, but I did get good shots of quite a few of the other birds. Let me know if there's anything in particular you're looking for. I've got about two dozen shots of the ocellated turkeys, I just can't decide which ones are best. :) --Dante Alighieri | Talk 01:17, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I uploaded a shot of the Pheasant Pigeon, but it's a pretty lousy one. :( The lighting in there doesn't make for great shots a lot of the time. Anyway, it's in the article. I couldn't find shots of the other birds, I'll keep looking though. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 00:30, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blue-gray Tanager

I don't see why you changed the picture on Blue-gray Tanager. I'm assuming you think your picture is better than the one which was on the article (mine), but the coloration is bad. Frankly, it looks suspect in my eyes. Please bear this in mind when you change pictures that other people have submitted. Good faith has allowed me to comment like this, please help me maintain it. --TaranRampersad 07:36, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I changed the image because the previous was small and blur. You can't see the detail of bird. "Frankly, it looks suspect in my eyes" = your opinion, what can I say ? FYI, you are allowed to change/edit freely (not vandalize) on Wiki. Just change back, if you feel your image more informative. That happened to me and everybody. I rather using my time to create or edit an article instead of arguing. If easily offended, do not Wiki. Cheers --Stavenn 13:15, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I am not arguing. I am simply pointing out that changing pictures to get credit is what some could see you doing. Frankly, the picture you placed up there lacks color which is an important part of the bird's appearance. I'd suggest you change it to one that does have color (or I or someone else will). "If you are easily offended, do not Wiki." - back at you. :-) Assume Good. I assumed good, but I fear you have not done the same. My message was to point out to you that arbitrarily changing images to the ones you have created doesn't always create a good impression on other editors. I assume you thought your picture was better or you would not have made the change. That is all. --TaranRampersad 16:45, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

From the comments I left on my talk page: Again, if I were offended I would have replaced the image. Your image does not show the colors of the tanager very well - period. I had thought you would see the point and take it constructively, but since that is not the case, I'll simply note to myself that you are not someone who allows for being wrong. Good day. :-) --TaranRampersad 20:01, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Red Panda at Prospect Park Zoo

I like your photograph of the Red Panda at Prospect Park Zoo (Image:Stavenn Ailurus fulgens 00.jpg). I incorporated it into the article. Thank you for making it available. Gosgood 03:25, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Red Bird Of Paradise

Hey I love your shots of the male RBOP. His name is Paprika. I can never get him to stand still long enough for a decent shot =). What kind of camera do you use? If you don't mind me asking. Demichels 02:34, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Congo Peafowl Hissing Female

Unfortunately, I got this from a semi-unauthorative source. The flaw about the source its its the same controversial source that believes the Green Peafowl to be 6 species. [1] You can remove it or put citation needed tag if you want. Frankyboy5 02:52, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] White-breasted Guineafowl

Thanks for the changes to the White-breasted Guineafowl article. Unfortunately I had to remove the image agelastes meleagrides.jpg from the page due to copyright issues. It was uploaded as a copyright free image, but probably that wasn't the case.

I have tried before to put on an image of a white-breasted guineafowl, but failed. I officially asked permission to use the image on [2], but never got a response.

Besides these copyright issues, both pictures are not great either. I'll continue my quest for good pictures of white-breasted, black, and vulturine guineafowl.

eboy 14:09, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article typo?

Hey there, I just noticed you editing User:Staven/images. Shouldn't it be User:Stavenn/images? Just a heads up. :) --Brad Beattie (talk) 05:10, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Dou itashimashite! Side note, nice pics, yourself. Spent a lot of time in the zoo, I gather? --Brad Beattie (talk) 05:39, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Japan? Yeah, lived there for a year, actually. Just got back to Canada. :) --Brad Beattie (talk) 06:08, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kookaburra merger

Hi Stavenn. I've outlined my reasons for the merger on the Kookaburra talk page.--Just James 07:35, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Green Peafowl

hi stavenn, I presume you have access to bird literature on Indonesia and neighbouring regions. Is there any information in the local bird guides and other standard literature on green peafowl geographic colour variants, subspecies (or even species) ? I saw similar information being added to Indian Peafowl, but I am very familiar with that species and know for sure that the information added is incorrect with no distinctive Sri Lankan form recognized. thanks. Shyamal 04:58, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I've commented as you suggested, don't know if it helps. Jimfbleak.talk.08:18, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Steller sea lion

I reverted your recent change in spelling back to "Steller" from "Steller's". Unlike the birds (eg Steller's eider), E. j. is almost universally spelled "Steller sea lion" in the English lit. See talk page for more discussion on this. Nowreally 23:36, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks again for thoughtful comments. I'll look for more double redirects. I'm done with the name bit on E.j. page. Unfortunately I'm not really interested in going deep into how Wikipedia assigns common names, if it's a problem then please have at it and bring it back to whatever the accepted Wikipedia standards might be. However I can say that the page, as it was, was jarring to read and out of line with the scientific community. Sort of like if I had read "Steller jay" or "Steller eider", it would look plainly wrong. Nowreally 17:32, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] hi

Well as regarding to your messages, i am currently searching high and low for information (that is not copyrighted) available to expand those articles. Haha. If u have any books or websites to recommend, please feel free to post at my talk pages. Luffy487 04:41, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Alright, i will try to expand those articles. Luffy487 04:54, 5 February 2007 (UTC) (If i managed to find more time)

[edit] Lesser Melampitta descrption very misleading

I found a photo of one of them that shows that it does not have an all-black body [3]. Instead it has a Brown body with a black head. Frankyboy5 07:08, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

The photo is a female Lesser Bird of Paradise !! --Stavenn 07:20, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

That was kinda what I thought, but it did look different from a female Lesser BOP. Can you give me a picture of a Lesser Melampitta to confirm the description? Frankyboy5 05:58, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image placement

Since we seem to have a disagreement about image placement in bird articles, I've brought up the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Taxobox usage. I'm quite sure you'd like to share your opinion on the situation. I want to resolve our current "dispute", but more importantly get some idea what the community thinks about situations like these, since they are likely to happen again, and I have no desire to fight in the quest to improve Wikipedia. -- RM 18:54, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bird images

No problem, thanks for trying to make it work with another editor. I loved taking a break from work to look at all of the bird pictures the two of you are posting. KP Botany 03:55, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Thank you for your help in improving the articles Abyssinian Lovebird and Black-collared Lovebird! PoeticX 05:04, 9 March 2007 (UTC)