Talk:Stefan Uroš V of Serbia
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[edit] Coat of arms
Hmmmm, interesting amblem or coat of arms. Stefan Uroš the weak, according to this apocrifal coat of arms, rules over countries that his father who is called mighty never conquered. More historical accuracy and less Serbian radicalism please. Might I add that at the time of Uroš V rule, Bosnia gained full independence from Croatia's gripp because Serbia and Croatia were weakened by fighting over Bosnia. After that, in close future it will be the Bosnian kingdom who will control the destiny of Croatia and Serbia. I'm saying this because the coat of arms shows Bosnia, Slavonia, Croatia, Dalmatia, and others as Serb ruled lands. Serbs never ruled Croatia, Slavonia, Dalmatia in its borders of high middle ages or Bosnia at the time of rule of Uroš V, whilst it did fight with Croatian bans Šubić (wich wore the title Lord of Bosnia) over control of it wich, like allready said, resulted in complete independence of Bosnia.
All in all this apocrifal coat of arms should be removed.
[edit] Coat of Arms
I agree with most of the things you have mentioned here. However please keep in mind two very important things. Coats of arms of feudal rulers do not always signify the real extent of their direct political rule. They could and quite often did include coats of arms of all the countries and regions that a particular ruler claimed, either due to complicated dynastic reasons, sake of tradition, political ambitions or simply wishful thinking. Coat of arms of English/British Kings included elements of Royal Coat of Arms of France up until the end of Napoleonic Wars.
Second important thing regarding especially Coats of Arms of Serbian medieval rulers is that the knowledge we have about most of them comes from secondary sources, mostly from publications created centuries later. Authenticity of these publications is usually tainted by socio-political conditions of particular age when they were created. I can notice very anachronistic coat of arms of Serbia proper on this illustration. None the less, it still represents a part of historical material on this ruler, and has it's pace on Wikipedia, even if more precise coat of arms of Uroš V is obtained. What is missing here is a clear label which would clarify the origin of this picture.
Please keep in mind, however, that presence of anachronistic or seemingly incorrect elements on a single illustration of a medieval ruler does not imply anything about current political situation, and refrain from possibly inflammatory remarks especially about nationalism.
The remark about rulers of medieval Bosnia controlling the faith of neighboring states, after he death of a particular ruler is irrelevant to the discussion about his coat of arms.
(Stane 22:54, 28 February 2007 (UTC))
