Talk:Stevedore

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Contents 1 Naming/Redirect conflict 2 Whether to put this text under stevedore or under longshoreman? 3 Longshoreman 4 Stevedore (band)

[edit] Naming/Redirect conflict

(I transferred this section from Talk:Longshoreman: Anthony Appleyard 06:44, 24 May 2006 (UTC)) When this page was created, it redirected to Stevedore. Google says Stevedore is more common than Longshoreman, by about 17,000. If you compare the non-redirect version of this page with the Stevedore article, you'll see they're exactly the same article, just copied and pasted. Point is, there's no reason to change it from what it was upon creation, a redirect page to the more common term, to a direct mirror of said page. --ArmadniGeneral 02:41, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Not really, you rude teenage jerk. I was in the middle of making extensive changes (admittedly, I was using the Stevedore article for a basic framework) when you deleted my article, and had already made quite a few changes. I'm not convinced Longshoreman and Stevedore do not deserve seperate entries, especially based on the inadequate stevedore article in its present state, and certainly not based on a Google comparison of word occurance. Personally, I would have been open to discussion on the matter had you bothered to contact me, especially if you bother to notice the time of my editing of the article, which was minutes before your deletion of same article. --Cuvtixo

You really are being pretty hypocritical here. Before you start insulting people (and I cannot for the life of me see how ArmadniGeneral was being rude to you - he merely stated facts), you may like to consider why you felt it necessary to delete the whole Stevedore article and redirect it here without making any attempt to discuss it. From the timing, it seems you did this out of spite, after ArmadniGeneral deleted your Longshoreman article (which, incidentally, looks to me to be identical to the Stevedore article - I can see no changes at all apart from the removal of links and changing the emphasis of the article to Longshoreman). This is really not the way to go forward. -- Necrothesp 22:26, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Whether to put this text under stevedore or under longshoreman?

I apologize for reacting badly, but I wish someone had brought this into discussion before deleting my own extensively revised article on longshoreman. I would like to see seperate articles actually, but others apparently feel this would introduce too much redundancy. The Stevedore article, as it stands, actually contains some awkward references to the term "longshoreman." Linguistically, at least, the terms are distinct, and derivative terms like "stevedore's cap" also have equivilent terms "longshoreman's knife", "longshoreman's coat", etc. I'd personally like to hear more historical data on the usage of the terms stevedore vs. longshoreman, and numbers of people employed (UK is such a tiny country). Perhaps the more international "stevedore" is in wider use today, but historical cultural usage should be taken into account. And just because the Wikipedia is not US-centric doesn't mean it has to be anti-US or Anglo-centric, either. Perhaps, like "inch" and "centimeter," there really needs to be two seperate articles. -- Cuvtixo

Excuse me, but I believe you were the one who started deleting without discussion by redirecting this whole page to Longshoreman. I didn't notice you asking here first! This sort of thing merely creates bad feeling, particularly when a non-American term is redirected to an American one. And the UK may be a small country, but let's not forget that it dominated the world's sea trade for centuries, so our term for these things is hardly inappropriate in the circumstances. I should also point out that the word 'stevedore' is used in North America (according to the Oxford English Dictionary, which provides documentary evidence of the fact), whereas the word 'longshoreman' is not used outside North America except in a very general (and archaic) context to mean anyone working on the shore, not just men working in docks. Incidentally, most people in the UK would use the term 'docker' to refer to a man who loads or unloads ships. Stevedore is a technical term only usually used by those in the business. -- Necrothesp 21:50, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

As an addition, the term used in Spanish is estibador and in Dutch is stuwadoor. It seems it's not just used in Britain. -- Necrothesp 22:48, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

It's funny to me that Necrothesp have taken offence, especially after my apology! I'm also confused if Stevedore is a technical term only used by people in the business, then redirecting stevedore to longshoreman would make sense, right? This is an encyclopedia for the masses, not only highly insecure technical people outside North America. It also didn't take much effort for Necrothesp to change things back, and I was fully aware of this at the time. What a disappointing experience my early attempt at contributing has been. -- Cuvtixo

[edit] Longshoreman

What jobs does "longshoreman" include? These sorts of men also "work along the shore":- a man who mends waterfront machinery; the man who cleans up rubbish along the waterfront; a docks dredger skipper; a lighterman. I am British and I know the word "longshoreman" only from books. Anthony Appleyard 06:38, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

As I've heard it, the term, where I am at least (Vancouver, Canada) refers to men who load and unload ships, originating from back in the day when someone would holler "Men Along the Shore!," signalling that a boat was ready to be loaded or unloaded. "Longshoremen" were those who responded to the call and formed into work gangs. Bobanny 05:24, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stevedore (band)

Removed advertising for a band called Stevedore.Read The oklahoma based original 80's synthpop band, Stevedore, has nothing to do with unloading ships. Unless you unload ships by getting your groove-boots and/or dancepants on. (See also stevedore.org)! --Piratejesus 00:00, 13 September 2006 (UTC)