Talk:Sundance Vacations

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i agree that we don't want details of every single scam in wikipedia. However, i couldn't see any examples of this type of scam in the wikipedia, and to people unaware of the extent to which scammers are willing to go, IMHO this should be part of encyclopedia type knowledge.

Maybe the content should be merged into the lottery scam page?

But i got the impression from http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=2575 that this is quite a big scam. Boud 18:32, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sundance Vacations

Hi, I am the Communications Director for Sundance Vacations. We recently typed an article for the page. The current information on the page is not really accurate. We don't want to remove that information, but we would like to put our information first. Also, the article has been tagged, and I don't know how to handle that, or how to navigate. I feel like i'm walking on a spiral staircase with no railing, in the dark! Thanks in advance for any assistance you can offer me. Kathjim 19:54, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

People who are closely associated with an article's subject encounter difficulties when editing articles since their edits can be construed as vanity. While unbiased entries can be written by persons involved with the subject, it's rare that this happens: all the information must come from third-party reliable sources. However, the article as it stands does not adhere to a neutral point of view and so adding information about what the company does would be helpful. Perhaps the article could be divided up into sections, one for the company and one for criticisms of its business practices? -- Merope ^{Talk to me}/_{Review me} 20:35, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

I believe the information as currently presented accurately summarizes Sundance and the actions of this company, as there are various elements of a scam. I believe the links should remain, however Sundance Vacations should be permitted to present their response. The article could be cleaned up so that both viewpoints are clear.Baronvon, 11 September 2006

[edit] Incorrect Information

Thanks everyone for the feedback. As the company representative, I would like to see some of the information in the article removed/edited, as it does not in any way reflect the actions and/or practices of Sundance Vacations. We have 'never' offered sums of money to random web surfers, and are not involved in any type of lottery. The fifth and tenth paragraphs of the article mention the incentives we do offer. In addition, we have never used a representation of a clock/animated GIF on the web or anywhere else, nor do we or have we offered a 7 day/6 night Bahamas Cruise vacation. Apparently, there is another Sundance Vacations (past research indicated they are or were based in Quebec). Is it possible to remove that information? Is it possible to have the article begin with paragraph six? I don't want to do anything I'm not supposed to. I realize it's tricky, because the article needs to be from a neutral point of view. Any responses/editing is appreciated. Kathjim 15:59, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

The information on Sundance Vacations and the clock issue is something I have never witnessed. The claims made about Sundance on scam.com are accurate, and for that reason the article on Sundance Vacations has links to scams. The gifts offered are not worth the shipping and handling fees, the free dinner is only worth the cost of one entree (about $15), not a complete meal, if anyone chooses to take advantage of it, and the free 2 night stay in the hotel involves scheduling around availability at a remote destination and involves travel which makes the "free" stay somewhat costly for potential clients. There is very high pressure to sell to potential clients one on one, potential customers are not allowed to independently check the information and are told the offer is good for one day only. Potential customers are not given advance information about what the offer involves, the scope or value or time frame of the vacation offer committment before the one on one meeting in Sundance offices. There are several claims with the Better Business Bureau. The ability to schedule vacations through the affiliate (TAN) is cumbersome, and involves peak usage fees, and other fees which may apply. The value of the vacation and a long term contract is questionable as compared to vacations offered by travel agencies. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Baronvon (talk • contribs).

Please keep this page! I am sure that the folks at Sundance Vacations would like it removed. However, I was so grateful to find information outside of the Sundance website. Sundance vacations has been calling me, every day, for a month now. Their offer and their tactics have every sign of a scam. After deleting their messages daily, I finally decided to research them before telling them off. The info on their website is useful, but considering their business practices, I didn't deem it trustworthy. It was so nice to find something written about them on Wikipedia...a source I'd consider more reliable. Every thing I read here sounds exactly in line with what I have experienced with Sundance thus far. Now I feel truly informed as to the pros and cons of actually accepting their trip. Armed with knowledge, I am actually considering accepting their "gift"., whereas before I was more apt to report them to the BBB.

Companies have always profited from spinning information to their advantage. Let's keep them in check and let the truth be heard.