Talk:Swing music
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Interesting article but it needs a section on the rest of the world outside the US Johncmullen1960 08:24, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
can i know any facts of swing music eg when did it begun the musicians the editors the people who sing anddance
Bold text i wanna no facts about swing for my music project and i cant find anything!!!!!! >:-(
- Better have your doctor adjust your medication. —Wahoofive (talk) 16:01, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
- Ranting like that won't help. When you post, make a topic and use a signature. Learn how to spell too.--toaster 00:15, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Relationships between swing dancers and musicians
PlainJane The following sentence:
"Ironically, early swing musicians were often in fact annoyed by the young people who would throw a room into chaos by seemingly tossing each other across the floor at random — thus somewhat nullifying the idea that swing was developed as dance music, when in fact, swing dancing evolved among young aficionados to complement the energy of the music."
Needs substantiation: there are as many comments from musicians from the day in appreciation of the dancers. I think of band leaders like Chick Webb in particular. It might be more productive to have a comment indicating that not all musicians liked dancers. Historically, dance and music often developed in tandem in the Afro-American vernacular tradition, and the earliest band leaders toured the US _with_ dancers (see this ref for descriptions: Malone, Jacqui. Steppin' on the Blues: The Visible Rhythms of African American Dance. Urbana and Chicago: University of Illinois Press, 1996.)
Check out the article on Benny Goodman. He is said to have hated the jitterbuggers.
[edit] Jive
I've redirected Jive (genre) here for now and I offer you this is from a previous version of the Jive disambiguation page:
Jive is Swing music, or a type of quick-paced and energetic jazz. Cow Cow Davenport recorded a song called State Street Jive in 1928. Mitchell Parish defined it as "syncopated music played noisily, and (usually) fast, with great emphasis on rhythm."
Ewlyahoocom 12:25, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] misplaced sentence
I've removed this sentence that came right after the list of samples: "The other is the development of rhythm and blues and jump blues in the black community, after the war, which became popular because smaller 3-to-5-piece combos were found to be more profitable than large swing bands."
It was out of place. This should of been in the section on the decline of swing, but the gist of this sentence seems to have been covered in the first paragraph of the "decline" section, so rather than move it I just took it off. --Tomtheebomb 07:55, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
The second change that occurred as swing music increased in popularity outside the black community, was, to some extent, an increasing pressure on musicians and band leaders to soften 'some would say dumb-down)' the music to cater to a more staid and conservative, Anglo-American audience. In the United States, there was some resistance to the acceptance of swing music until around 1939.
In later decades, the popular, sterilized, mass-market form of swing music would often, and unfortunately, be the first taste that younger generations might be exposed to, which often led to it begin labeled something akin to 'old fogey big-band dance music'.
Lots of POV here. The dumbed down quote is supposedly softened by "some would say", but still pretty snarky. Lets talk about the later decades, and the popular sterilized mass market form. Which decades? Per the article, swing was not pervasive until 1935, and was in serious decline when the war econonmy took hold in 1943/44. So if you are denigrating the swing music of the thirties and fourties with the term "unfortunate", what is left? Is your point that music liked by a lot of people must be bad? IF your point is swing became worthless when white people started to like it, that is a sentiment unworthy or wiki.
If I am wrong here, identify the elements of the music which were sterlized out, dont just throw stones.
While swing is a historical genre, and not widely listened to today, it is still beloved among a subset of the population, as I can attest due to the audiences who love my band. And the music they love is the stuff from Ellington, Basie, Goodman, Miller, etc. The earlier music is obscure and rarely performed. IF the fact that these bands were widely successful in their day, and attracted millions of listeners, or the fact that some of them were white bothers you, that is your point of view, not historical fact.
