Talk:Sylar/Archive 1

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Contents 1 Sylar's Powers 1.1 Bulletproof? 2 Removed Part of His Brain? 3 What's the deal Madchester? 4 FBI Agent Molly? 5 The mysterious man 6 Sylar's Age and Full Name 7 The Actor 8 Greek Myth and Possible Origin for Sylar's name? 9 Something Sprague 10 multiple powers 11 Man in baseball cap 12 sylar will be revealed next episode. 13 text error / spam? 14 a power to see the broken? 15 Gray or Grey 16 Gabriel Sylar 17 his personality 18 Influences 19 Save the Cheerleader... 20 Huh? 21 The shadowy man 22 Power acquisition through DNA infusion 23 Deaths 24 Killings and Powers - maybe a chart? 25 Invulnerability 26 "main antagonist" 27 Freezing

Sylar's Powers

I don't believe that Sylar's powers are linked to cold control, but rather a highly developed mastery of Telekinesis. Which would explain his ability to freeze living tissue, lift people and impale them with sharp implements, control the movements of the FBI agent, and escape from Matt. We should be wary of listing his powers willy-nilly, due to POV, and instead agree that so far the powers he's exhibited could all fall under TK. --DJ Chair 05:19, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't think telekinesis can explain his apparent rapid healing after being shot. He clearly recoils from being hit and lays still for several seconds -- indicating that he did not, for example, telekinetically deflect the bullets -- and then stands up, with the accompanying sound of bullets hitting the ground. This seems very similar to Claire's healing factor, though whether that is the truth or a POV trick, we probably won't know for a while yet.64.123.189.114

Seems to me that he's killing other would-be heroes and eating their brains to gain their powers. More speculation, yeah, but it would explain the wide variety of powers. Speaking of which, it looks like he has some means of psychically locating people (which would explain how he was able to locate the safe room), a healing factor, flight/levitation of some sort, and telekinesis. He probably can't freeze people or turn invisible (another possibility given how he escaped) as 1) He would have just frozen Matt Parkman, the FBI agent, and the girl and 2) If invisible, he'd have just strangled them. -- Too lazy to registier, 9:57AM, 11 Oct (PDT)

I agree that it seems Sylar has some form of Telekinesis or molecular control. He manages to use ordinary objects to impale people, freezes people by slowing down molecules, stops bullets by pushing them aside with his mind, and manages to escape quickly probably through moving his own body with his mind (self levitation through telekinesis). Should we post something on his powers in the article or wait until more information comes in? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.225.125.176 (talk • contribs) 17 October 2006.

His ability to freeze people might have nothing to do with telekinesis but just be an extra ability that he has. Keep in mind that the people weren't merely frozen but also covered in ice (if I recall correctly). This would suggest that it wasn't merely their bodies that was frozen but water from an external source, most likely the water in the air, similar to the Iceman character from X-Men. So perhaps he sprayed ice upon his victims? I don't know if water molecules in the air, when slowed down, would crystalize in large chunks around objects or not, but my guess is that it wouldn't. He also seemed to survive multiple gunshots, which could suggest he has healing factor, or that he just wasn't shot fatally. He also flew (which could be an aspect of his telekinesis.) It may turn out he has multiple, unrelated powers. Although if one wanted to, they could attribute many super powers to telekinesis. So far, all of the powers displayed by any character could be attributed merely to advanced mental ability. --67.23.10.201 04:31, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

The man in the baseball cap clearly has telekinesis, based on what we saw in "Seven Minutes to Midnight". I think he used telekinesis to stop the bullet Matt fired at him, based on the fact that we heard the bullets fall to the ground afterwards. I also think he used telekinesis to have Audrey point the gun at herself. I'm not sure if these qualify as conclusions suffienctly sound to add to the article or whether they are still in the realm of speculation. However, we certainly don't know for sure that the man in the baseball cap is Sylar; we just know that he had contact with Sylar's targets. We also don't know for certain that it was Sylar who froze the murder victims, or how they were frozen. Primogen 20:03, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

He abosorbs powers that is why he eats there brain and that is why the cheerleader needed to be saved or he would have the ultimate healing power and never die.

We do not know if he absorbs powers of the people he eats. He could simply eat to feed his hunger, not to "consume" the powers of others. Do not make assumptions without a basis for fact. Stexe 11:46, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

In the Homecoming episode, it shows him tossing Claire across the room and into a wall and easily lifting Jackie up against the lockers. Should we perhaps specify that he can telekinetically enhance his strength? Briham 13:43, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

The full extent of Sylar's powers and how they operate are not yet known. It is speculation to say that he can telekinetically enhance his strength. Primogen 14:17, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

look who was right —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.61.76.75 (talk • contribs) 21:20, November 27, 2006 (UTC)

I don't know who was, but it certainly doesn't look like it was you, since I don't see 68.61.76.75 anywhere else on this page. (If you signed your posts, then you'd actually have ammunition to gloat when your guesses turn out to have been lucky.) --Psiphiorg 05:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

All we know at this point is that Sylar somehow acquired telekinesis after killing Brian Davis, but we don't know the mechanism by which he acquired it. We don't know if Sylar ate his brain, absorbed his powers (sort of like how Peter mimics powers, but permamently), performed brain surgery on himself so that his brain was similar to Davis's or what. Primogen 23:21, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Bulletproof?

I don't thin Sylar is bulletproof. If you watch the scene where Matt seems to unload his clip on Sylar, it is obvious that he is struck as least once and knocked off balance. If you turn your volume up loud enough, when Sylar gets up you'll hear the bullets fall to the ground and bounce. That makes me think that perhaps he was wearing a Kevlar jacket beneath his clothing. --DJ Chair 05:19, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Assuming Sylar is telekinetic, assuming that telekinesis means using your mind to move matter, and resorting to the old physics routine of "Matter equals Energy" in much the same way that Space and Time are one, then theoretically, Telekinesis can be used to shift energy as well as matter. He needsn't have "cold manipulation" powers to freeze people, simply shift the thermal energy away from their bodies. He needn't be invincible or even have a bulletproof vest on to stop bullets telekinetically. He needn't have the power of flight or levitation to use telekinesis to move himself up. Presuming that telekinesis can shift energy as well as matter, then technically Sylar could make himself invisible by telekinetically averting photons from his general area, or something similar. -- Rihk 21:28, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Agreed on both counts, DJ, except I really think it'd be better to cover our bases and keep the freezing out of the range of any psycho powers. Let's say...telekinesis, possible cold manipulation and occasionally equipped with a bulletproof vest. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 06:35, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough, but if I'm right, you all owe me a dollar! --DJ Chair 12:14, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Please wait until the character's power(s) have been fully revealed on the program. Otherwise, it is simply original research, which is not allowed on Wikipedia. --Madchester 16:50, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

If you think about it in a different point of view, telekinesis is the whole movement of matter/energy, through the usage of your mind, and nearly all -kinesis powers are the movement of something; if a person's telekinesis is to a high-enough extent, you could make it seem like you have aero/cryo/pyro/magneto/terra/electro/chloro/hydrokinesis and chronokinesis by slowing/speeding matter down/up to the extent that you can stop-time or have super-speed. So most supernatural persons in stories are really telekinetics who are only able to use their powers in a specific way. Though this does put Slyar at a near-omnipotency, which is pretty bad for our Heroes. Therequiembellishere 03:31, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

As I mentioned above, the design of the shot was clearly made to indicate to the audience that Sylar had Healing Factor and Flight in addition to Telekinesis, though that could all just be directorial misdirection. Also, I'd argue that, regardless of mechanics, a person with the power to freeze a human solid should be considered to have cryokinesis/cold-control. Telekinesis, as generally understood, does not include siphoning heat energy away from a target, and as Sylar apparently uses that technique a lot, it's worth being called out specifically. 64.123.189.114

The man in the baseball cap clearly has telekensis, based on what we saw in "Seven Minutes to Midnight". I assumed he used telekinses to stop the bullet Matt fired at him, but that is purely speculation. I saw the episode twice and saw no indication that the man in the baseball cap could fly. We don't even know for sure that the man in the baseball cap is Sylar; we just know that he had contact with Sylar's targets. We also don't know for certain that it was Sylar who froze the murder victims, or how they were frozen. Primogen 19:52, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

He fell back after the bullet made an impact. He arose—albeit telekinetically—and the bullet it fell out. Bulletproof vest! Why does every explanation need some sort of power behind it? Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 20:29, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Occam's Razor? If someone had "Telekinesis", it's logical that they wouldn't wear a bulletproof vest, they would stop bullets with the power of their mind. and to User:64.123.189.114, see my explanation of Telekinesis above, the topic has been a great interest of mine for years. Rihk 23:38, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

You're assuming based on the maximum purported possibilities. Who's to say Sylar's confident enough not to do some aas simple as wear a vest? Let alone adept enough to do as you claim. Plus, I'd say I know a thing or two as well. Were it a shield, the bullet would have not made much/any impact, let alone make him fall back; it would have bounced off—ala Supes—or something. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 00:08, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

From what I've read in the bulletproof vest article, much of what happened in the scene could be explained by a bulletproof vest: the bullets would become embedded in the vest, but their force might well have knocked down the wearer. But would the bullets simply fall out of the vest when he got up? I would think that a vest would have kept the bullets embedded, but I have no expertise in this. Primogen 18:24, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

it's completely obvious to me that everything Sylar has done so far was TK. bullets stopping, audrey's arm forced up to point the gun at her head, lifting himself up, drawing the coffee cup to him... and yes, even the freezing of his victims. presuming telekinetic powers, there would have to be some sort of kinetic energy consumed or drawn upon, even if so obtuse as static electricity. taking that kinetic energy as a given, a small step forward in thought is to connect it to thermal energy. through kinetic energy, work is done. when work is done, heat is found. kinetic and thermal energies are closely bound. of course, this is science fiction, and the writers can do whatever they want. if they want him to wear a bulletproof vest, i will not argue. Rihk 01:47, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

If he stopped the bullets with TK, why did he fall over? If he had a healing factor, why would he want Claire's? I can't think of any other explanation than a bulletproof vest. As to why the bullets fell out, he could have pulled them out telekinetically. And as for why he would wear a bulletproof vest, compare his powers with those of DL - Sylar COULD have stopped the bullets with telekinesis IF he'd known they were coming, but the implication of the scene seemed to be that Matt took him by surprise. So if Sylar (like DL) was aware of this weakness, then it would make perfect sense for him to wear a vest. However, this is all speculation. Any explanation given for how he survived the bullets must be flagged up as only a possibility. Branfish 07:02, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Removed Part of His Brain?

I'm removing this part:

"Sylar presumably removed a piece of Davis's brain and implanted it into his own"

This may well be how Sylar absorbed his powers, but there is no evidence that it was, as far as I can tell. It's complete speculation at this point.

Correct. No episode has yet to definitively answer what Sylar does with these brains, or exactly how he acquired Davis' telekinetic ability. We don't even know if he's acquired powers beyond telekinesis. By the way, remember to sign your posts and put new topics as the bottom of the talk page. Primogen 17:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

What's the deal Madchester?

As per, old edit of the article, Madchester removed the brief synopsis of Sylar stating it broke Original Research protocols... how does Sylar's apparent disappearance with Matt the police officer watching something moving upward at a great speed off-frame fall into Original Research? It occurred in the episode, we just didn't actually see Sylar move upward.

Furthermore, he was shot a whole bunch of times, and yet got up and appeared unscathed... how does him being marked as invulnerable get categorized as original research when the scene shows him get up unscathed? --DJ Chair 18:01, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

It is speculation that that Sylar is invincible. There are other possibilites. Syler might instead have healing factor, force fields, or some other power that minimized the impact or effect of the bullet. Or he might just be wearing a bulletproof vest. In addition, he might be vulnerable to things other than bullets. Primogen 20:21, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Telekinesis perfectly explains his being unscathed after being shot at. Technically, Force Fields could be made with Telekinesis as well. Quite possibly even holding your own cells together under stress, (closing a cut from a knife, closing a bullethole) which might be explained as some sort of invulnerability or healing factor. Rihk 21:32, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

And I thought that it was some form of mind control and/or magnetic manipulation. That's three different hypotheses from three different editors. We should wait until the character's powers and details have been confirmed via the show or an interview with the writers and/or actors. Otherwise, we are simply speculating and providing original research, which is not permitted on Wikipedia. --Madchester 22:24, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

My big sister used to torment me by taking my wrists and forcing me to punch myself in the face, when I was a young child. as an adult, I could do this to other people who have less physical strength than I do. If I was able to move things with the power of my mind, I could do the same exact thing without using my hands. Rihk 01:51, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Your point being? Branfish 07:12, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

FBI Agent Molly?

Wasn't the blond that Sylar almost killed in the third episode a police captain, not an FBI agent? --dws90 00:22, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

She invited Matt Parkman to work for/with the FBI. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 00:43, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

To expound a bit, she and her partner was called in to find the missing child from the murder scene, because due to the crime the missing child was considered kidnapped, which is a federal offense. Furthermore, it's likely that once the description of the dead was passed on to the feds, they were on it like gangbusters because of the serial killer... also a federal offense (multiple states and all.) --DJ Chair 13:17, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

The mysterious man

So Cylar isn't the black guy in the bar? I thought they were one in the same. --67.183.132.49 17:02, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

It appears that Sylar is in fact white, as seen in episode 2. --DJ Chair 17:25, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

It isn't known that the guy trying to take the girl was, in fact, Sylar. We don't know that it's the same guy that froze the cop/security guard. All we know is that it was some guy trying to take the girl. I'm editing the article to remove the speculation that we know this was Sylar. Elliskev 21:25, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

The characters believe him to be, specifically Audrey, who might actually know more than we do. Also, your attempt to "help" was fairly sloppy and removed a lot of content we can't say for sure doesn't belong. I've reverted. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 22:57, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Be careful with your characterizations of edits by others. That was a borderline personal attack. At the very least, it was incivil and a failure to assume good faith.

Regarding my edit and your reason for reverting, we "know" what is shown. The character Audrey is a fictional entity that doesn't "know" anything that would be relevant to an encyclopedia. It hasn't been shown that the shadowy guy is Sylar. To assume that would be speculative.

I'm not going to revert your reversion of my edit, but not because I agree with you. I'll leave it for others to decide. I'll be happy to accept whatever is done. I hope you can do the same.

Happy editing! Elliskev 12:58, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

If you want to start an argument or make accusations about me, this is not the place. And, please don't say "Happy editting!" afterward. It makes others question your sanity. Now, whether or not the information displayed is appropriate, I merely explained my position and why I reverted your edit. Please do not take offense to contructive comments about your edits, they will be made by others than me, I'm sure, and are well within the bounds of Wikipedia's policies, if phrased properly. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 18:41, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry if I came across as argumentative. That was not my intent. My intent was a simple request to keep your comments limited to the concern I raised.

Characterizing my edit as a sloppy attempt to "help" is not constructive and does little to address my concern that the material that I removed is really not verifiable. As it is now, it's unencyclopedic speculation of "truth" as defined by a fictional character's fictional belief.

BTW, I will continue to include niceties. They're nice.

Have a great day! Elliskev 20:03, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, we know now. Branfish 07:17, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Sylar's Age and Full Name

I included Sylar's age into the bio and used this image of a screen captured birth announcement from NBC.com that cites that a Paul E. Sylar was born on June 11, 1962. If anyone feels this is merely speculative and not sufficent evidence needed to cite Sylar's age and full name then feel free to revert my edit.TJ 19:38, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

It is a little specy, but eh. I'm going to move the "Paul E." to his formal name since he's largely known by his last name and it is still ambiguous. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 20:40, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I think it is speculative. Who knows why he has that announcement or who it's really about. We've certainly never heard anyone call him Paul, and we also know he's not exactly "on the level" as a person. I'd vote for removing it as "official" information, but worth keeping in somewhere. Ollie 19:16, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree; Sylar is a surname, and for all we know, Paul E. Sylar is the (presumed) murderer's father. 68.94.17.87

This threw us all for a loop. So is Sylar the man who made the watch Gabriel Gray was fixing? we don't know. Rihk 02:30, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I suspect the Paul E. Sylar in the clipping is a watchmaker, yes, but obviously that's just a presumption. 66.142.170.224

It's also possible that the photo itself is just a planted red herring for folks like us who will comb every website looking for possible clues about a show that thrives on mysteries in its storytelling.--MythicFox 01:55, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

The Actor

What is the point of not identifying in the article who plays Sylar? Good job, Wikipedians, for not being concise. NorthernThunder 02:40, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Instead insulting the community at large, you could just add the information yourself. Wikipedia is edittable, you know. Oh wait...you don't know, do you? The actor, I mean. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 03:33, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

IMDB credits Sean Bean with the role of "Paul Sylar" on the show. This would be consistent with the "Paul E. Sylar" birth announcement. Granted we haven't yet confirmed that Paul Sylar is the Sylar, but I'm willing to take that bet. -Anþony 09:47, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not. Wanna bet Aunt May is Carnage, instead? Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 18:40, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

It isn't speculation to say that Sean Bean will play Paul Sylar. I'm going to try a compromise. And why are you so quick to break out the cutting sarcasm? As was pointed out to you earlier, you'll catch more flies with honey. -Anþony 23:51, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

IMDb is less credible than the grapevine. Someone could easily have seen the same information as us and added an actor to the name. Also, I find the very assertion if Sean Bean's involvement, particularly dubious. Until you can find a valid source, cease. And don't try to make this personal by bringing up unrelated issues. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 00:06, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Civility is very relevant. Unfortunately, according to several entries on your talk page, you have no need for it. I won't bother you about it again.

There's an anonymous email out[1] that denies that "Sylar" will be played by Sean Bean. I'll let it go with that. -Anþony 00:41, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

There's nothing to let go. The casting assertions are wrong and always were. I'm sorry it took all this for you to realize it, and I'm especially saddened by your faith in dubious sources. Finally. once again, address content, no users. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 00:48, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Hindsight is 20/20, of course. I was ignorant of IMDb's status as a questionable source on Wikipedia, and if that saddens you, I apologize. I'm not aware of any policy forbidding users from commenting on the behavior of other users. In fact, WP:CIVIL directs us to "[voice] displeasure each time rudeness or incivility happens," which is what I believe I have done. -Anþony 05:26, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

My "cutting sarcasm" served the purpose of pointing out a factor you hadn't seemed to notice. The point was to avoid a dispute fueled by your misguided belief in IMDb. Sadly, it seemed in vain. I guess I'll just have to be more direct next time. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 05:33, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

If you would like to avoid conflicts in the future, I would suggest language such as the following. It is specific, informative, and polite. "Wanna bet Aunt May is Carnage, instead?" is none of those things.

"Thank you for your contribution, Anþony. Unfortunately, IMDb is not normally considered to be a reliable source here on Wikipedia, since anyone can submit false information to IMDb. I have reverted your edit for now. If you can find independent corroboration from a reliable source, please include it." -Anþony 22:29, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Then I'd just be ripping you off. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 22:53, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

No worries. I would be quite pleased if you employed that sort of language from now on, adapted to the situation of course. -Anþony 23:54, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Sean Bean is not Sylar: http://www.compleatseanbean.com/rumour-heroes.html -[[User:Ender|Ender]

Just saw the new episode. Zachary Quinto is definetly playing Sylar.--65.9.189.21 02:56, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I saw the episode, too! --jeolmeun 03:05, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Greek Myth and Possible Origin for Sylar's name?

This is somewhat speculative and maybe not the sort of thing that should go into the page, but it strikes me that the name "Sylar" might be derived from "Scylla", the Greek Myth character that started as beautiful water nymph and later was transformed into a hideous ship-devouring monster with six heads with three rows each of sharp teeth. Kinda akin to a supposedly normal man acquiring "uncontrollable hunger" after having his powers awakened? Renenarciso 19:58, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Speculative comparison, akin to the ones made between Niki and dopplogangers, The Hulk, etc. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 20:02, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Something Sprague

I'm only a casual watcher, but I remember his identity being revealed last night. I think. Apparently he had radioactive powers. 24.186.192.247 16:53, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually, that turned out to be a guy with radioactive powers that simply lost control, and was not Sylar. None of Sylar's victims were radioactive and burned to a crisp, and the guy admitted to it being an accident. 70.49.249.220 17:17, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I see, when the detective said it was Sylar's 9th victim I got confused. Thanks 24.186.192.247 22:29, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Right, they're going to have to be careful from now on not to automatically assume that any bizarre (read: superpowered) crime must be Sylar. 64.123.189.114

I thought it was obviously false, since all of Sylar's victims were frozen and had brains removed... FBI's hiring standards must have gone south in the few years since Scully and Mulder, lol. Rihk 00:10, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I feel I ought to point out that not ALL of Sylar's victims had their brains removed - the woman pinned to the bannister with knives didn't. Neither (as far as we know) did Chandra Suresh. Branfish 07:22, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

multiple powers

Sylar apparently has much more advanced powers than the rest of the heroes, perhaps he has multiple abilities because of this.

See Sylar's Powers discussion, above. Primogen 19:54, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Man in baseball cap

Even though everyone (including me) thinks that the man in the baseball cap is Sylar, is there any evidence that they are the same character? I think that everyone is just assuming he is, because he attempted to kidnap Molly, whose parents Sylar had killed, and because he was in the diner just before Charlie was killed by the same manner in which Sylar's victims were killed. Am I overlooking something that proves Baseball Cap is Sylar? Primogen 21:43, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Besides same dark shadowing to make him seem evil, telekinesis, exact same clothing, same method of execution, same watch as guy who kills Mohinder's (sp?) father in taxicab? – Someguy0830 (T | C) 00:12, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

What is your reference for Sylar having telekinesis? Have we ever seen a character that has been identified as Sylar? How do we know Sylar and the Man in the Baseball Cap wear the same cloethes.? How do we know that the person who killed Mohinder's father is Sylar? Primogen 02:16, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

One, since when is a single identifiable character ever anyone but who they look like? I suupose you want to argue the guy attacking Clarie in the previews isn't the same guy? Two, he pulls the cup to himself without touching it, so it's telekinesis. The killer Sylar killed his victims seemingly using this power. Three, same motive. This baseball cap guy decapitated that waitress in the same manner as all the other victims. Even Hiro notes that. I can't believe you argued for Micah's technopathy yet are against this obvious situation. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:40, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

One, I haven't seen the previews of Claire being attacked. Is she attacked by the man in the baseball hat? If so, is he also identified as being Sylar? (I know that Bennet has said that Claire will be killed by Sylar, but he might be wrong or events could change).

Two, what evidence is there that Sylar killed his victims using telekinesis? He removed their brains and one had their body frozen. Am I overlooking something?

Three, we didn't see who killed the waitress. As I remember the scene, there was just a close-up of her as blood began dripping from her head. Or did I miss something?

Basically, what I'm trying to find out, was there ever a scene in which we actually saw Man in Baseball Hat kill someone in the same manner as Sylar, or has the Man in the Baseball hat ever been identified with Sylar. I have no doubt that Baseball Hat guy is Syler, but that is purely deduction on my part. I wanted to know if there was anything factual that I missed.

As for the Technopathy thing, I was merely applying a term whose definition matched the observed situation. Primogen 20:32, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, the NBC official title for this is "HRS_SylarGymFlr_clr.jpg" "Heroes: Sylar, gym, fl(ye—?—)r, Claire. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 21:16, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Ah, that's exactly the type of evidence I was looking for. I don't remember seeing that before in the show -- I sometimes miss a minute here and a minute there. Did Peter paint in Claire in that picture? Was Sylar's name mentioned in connection with the picture? Primogen 21:21, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, wait, I just read in this article that Peter completed this picture by drawing the body of a mutilated cheerleader. Was that painting among the ones that Eden brought with Isaac? Was that what caused Bennet to say that Sylar will kill Claire tomorrow? If so, then that's the proof I'm looking for. Primogen 21:38, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

sylar will be revealed next episode.

and we will finally get a clear picture of his face. but i also think that we should keep the older picture for the article. so, when adding a new picture, please keep the old one. thanks. dposse 03:09, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, all we know is that he appeared in the preview for the episode "Six Months Ago". At the WAY end. I read here that he is somewhat a "nerdy" man, with glasses. - Preview--Addict 2006 02:40, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Okay, so maybe I'm not sure about who the nerdy-looking office worker is. We'll just have to wait until Monday! --Addict 2006 05:20, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

All i'm asking is that we keep the "shrouded in darkness" picture so we can show what we saw of him from the beginning of Heroes. dposse 19:15, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

The article is long enough to support several images of Sylar, so long as it is not violating copyright or fair use. Primogen 19:23, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok. I just wanted people to be aware of it. dposse 21:47, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

text error / spam?

When I load the Sylar article, the following text appears in the "powers" section:

Sylar's most prominent and only confirmed ability is telekinesis, which he first demonstrates in "One Giant Leap" by nearly forcing Audrey Hansen to shoot herself.

When I edit the section, the text (in bold above) does not appear, nor is editable, is this an editing artifact by some malicious person, a wiki error, or something entirely different (note, I have done the requistite due-dilligence to ensure this is not an error on my own machine) ---boston-birdman 11/27/2006 1430EST

It's possible that there was some delay in the database updating. I checked the page history and there was an edit at 12:18 EST which introduced this vandalism. The next edit, at 12:59 EST, removed it. Thanks for bringing it up, though - I have noticed that occasionally edits seem to take a few minutes to "register" - I'll make a change, save it, and the page will reload unchanged. It then takes a few forced refreshes to clear things up. --Ckatz^chat_spy 20:07, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

a power to see the broken?

It seems that Sylar can see what's broken in something and be able to repair it. However, this goes further. He can also gain the abilites of another by killing them. At least, that's what i saw. What do you think? dposse 03:00, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

he mighta taken out the brain of the poor man and put it in his own @.@ that's the gross theory I thought..I'm not sure...I think we'll find out more next week, thoughs O.O so sad! >< so gross! SnuggleBunny 03:05, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

He actually "looked inside" the man and saw that he was "broken", like a watch, then killed him. Later, he gained his ability to move things with his mind. dposse 03:07, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Presumably, he saw what was broken or unnormal in Brian Davis' brain, took it apart to see how it worked, and then most likely cut into his own brain to "repair" his the same way. I am speculating on this. It could be the reason he wears a ball cap everytime we see him in the present. again, until it is stated elsewhere, it is just speculation. it explains a lot, though. Rihk 02:33, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Of course, this is all from Sylar's comments in the show. If a person has a beneficial mutation, is "broken" the right word to use? I'd characterize Sylar's power as the ability to sense how something or someone differs from the norm or the standard. Sylar sees things from the POV of a watchmaker, and watches that are different from the norm are usually "broken." Applejuicefool 15:38, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I thought his "broken" comment was a reference to the man's refusal to accept the power. Sylar seemed to consider the guy a kindred spirit until he revealed that he didnt' WANT to be special, and only then did Sylar suddenly say, "you're broken". I think the mutation isn't what's broken, but (in Sylar's mind) the man's attitude. Fixing the problem means taking away the power and giving it to somebody who really wants it. 66.142.170.224

Where did the powers section of Sylar go? A list of his known powers would be useful. Delfedd 3:29 28 November 2006 (UTC)

It was probably removed as being speculation. The only confirmed power he currently has is telekenisis. It's not clear yet (at least to me) what this "power to see the broken" thing is. Primogen 17:51, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

It looks like advanced pattern recognition to me. He's able to sense patterns and comprehend them almost instantly. 66.142.170.224

Using the list of comic book superpowers as a guide, there are three ones none of which are entirely accurate. Psychometry specifically deals with past and/or future condition and Sylar can see the current condition. Other possibilities are specialized forms of Enhanced Senses or ESP - he could tell that Chandra's watch was broken when Chandra was still a few feet away from him. It's too soon to make an accurate judgement, though. Stabbey 17:29, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

We know that his power to see broken things includes mechanical things like watches, but I don't think it applies to people -- at least, we haven't seen evidence of it. When he said that Brian Davis was "broken", I took that to mean that he didn't appreciate having telekinesis, not that there was anything really about him that was broken. Sylar also obviously can't detect who has superpowers and who doesn't, otherwise he wouldn't have mistaken Jackie for having superpowers. Primogen 23:16, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

The context of the "you're broken" quote implies that he somehow saw the difference in Davis. I don't know if there will be a more explicit look, although I hope so. He absorbs their powers somehow, he takes their brain for some reason. It seems though he has some ability to detect the state of things he concentrates on, although I can't put a name to it. I don't see why it should be assumed that he can't do it to biological things like brains. I agree that he doesn't seem to automatially detect supers at range, although the series has played this inconsistently. He didn't find Molly in a wood-panelled room, but he did somehow find her in the basement of the FBI. Why did he go for Jackie and not Claire? He's certainly an arrogant man, maybe after seeing the article, he didn't bother to check. Stabbey 23:41, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Why would he consider someone who has superpowers to be "broken", when he so desires having those powers himself? If Sylar can absorb powers, then why does he take the brain? There are too many questions at this point to draw conclusions about what Sylar's powers are. Primogen 23:47, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I kinda agree. Too many questions. It's also possible that Brian Davis had a similar problem as Charlie or Mohinder's sister, some brain disease caused by the mutation, so that is what Sylar means by "being broken"? The only thing I am sure is that he has some power to analyze how complex systems work. Renenarciso 23:17, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Watch the episode again!! Sylar looked inside Brians brain and said "you're broken. yes, i see the problem. i can fix it.." then hit him over the head and stole his powers. Sylars power is alot like Micahs and Peters. Anyway, i agree that it's too early to know anything for sure. dposse 15:35, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Gray or Grey

Grey or Gray? Both spellings appear throughout this article. Wengero 03:38, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

The closed captioning spells it Gray and the window display at the begining of the episode says "Gray and Sons." AWarriorStill 02:15, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Gabriel Sylar

I think this article should be moved to Gabriel Sylar now that his first name is known. Or maybe something like Gabriel "Sylar" Grey, though I think the first one is better. What does everyone else think? --SSJ4 Aragorn 06:05, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia policy is to use the common form of all names. Sylar is the most commonly use form of his name thus far, and so therefore should be the title of the article. If everyone starts calling him Gabriel, then we can change it, but until then, it should stay here. A redirect from Gabriel Sylar to Sylar could be created, but I don't think that's necessary. --dws90 06:13, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

From the episode, it seemed that he renamed himself simply "Sylar" , not Gabriel Sylar. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 21:06, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

From the episode "6 months ago", it seems that he named himself "Sylar. Gabriel Sylar" when he introduced himself to Brian Davis. Rihk 02:34, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Of course, in "Fallout", he screams "My name is Sylar!" Rihk 04:40, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

his personality

We need an entire section to explain this nutjobs personality. He's extremely narcissistic, to the point that he believes that it's his right to be better than everyone else. dposse 13:49, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Influences

There was a section about "possible influences" from previous comics (e.g., "Watchmen") on the choice of Sylar's job as a watchmaker. I reverted this section -- not only was it purely speculation, and therefore a violation of Wikipedia:No Original Research, but I've read interviews with the show's creators that indicate they purposefully tried to avoid being influenced by existing comic. Just thought people should know, since I deleted two well-written paragraphs. Primogen 20:57, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Have you read The Legend of Nightfall (1993) by Mickey Zucker Reichert? I would almost say that is as much a possible influence as about anything else. In the book, which is fantasy, there are some people who are “gifted” with special abilities, of which Nightfall is one of them – he can make himself lighter or heavier. Others have the ability to heal, or to this or that. Similar to in Heroes. Also, the antagonist in the story is a sorcerer, and in the book sorcerers are beings who’s only original ability is to steal the abilities of people who are gifted. Eventually being able to have several gifts/abilities. Exactly like Sylar. Mefanch 22:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

This article should not be concerned with "possible" influences -- only actual influences matter. Unless there is a reliable source saying that Tim Kring and the other show creators were actually influenced by another work of fiction, then it shouldn't go in this article. There are plenty of fan forums elsewhere for speculating about possible influences and similarities. Primogen 22:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree with that, which is why I did not add it. I was not arguing that it should be included, merely pointing out that there are lots of “possible” influences. I don’t think they should be added either, unless there is a source that can be sited. Mefanch 23:16, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Save the Cheerleader...

I think there's definitely been some credence lent to the "Sylar as a Power Mimic" theory by "Six Months Ago". It would explain pretty well why saving Claire would save the world. Claire is essentially invincible (she died and came back to life, for Christ's sake) and giving that kind of power to an obvious psychopath with already frightening telekinetic abilities would probably qualify as not good. 68.80.198.93 04:24, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Maybe so, but theories are for fan sites and forums -- they don't belong on Wikipedia. Primogen 05:23, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Huh?

"Eventually, Sylar became a notorious serial killer, leading FBI agent Audrey Hansen to become obsessed with capturing him. Three months after taking on his serial killer persona, Sylar led Hanson on a chase through the streets of Chicago, following another one of his murders. Hanson chased him into the subways. He gave his cap and trench coat to an innocent elderly man, which caused the agent to mistake the man for Sylar. After shooting the man, she realized her mistake, and the unbearable guilt from her error intensified her drive to hunt him down"

Is this right? Which episode was this revealed in?--Hypergeometric2F1(a,b,c,x) 05:14, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

No kidding.. I removed it..EnsRedShirt 05:18, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I believe its from the Turning Point graphic novel, which details Audrey's hunt for Sylar. It just needs to be cited in the article. If no one else does it, I'll get to it. Primogen 05:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Argg stupid graphic novels.. feel free to revert my edit..EnsRedShirt 05:26, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

The shadowy man

So, would it still be speculation to declaratively state that the shadowy, ball-capped man is in fact Gabriel "Sylar" Gray? Also, would it be speculation to state that the shadowy man definitely has some ability that allows him to vanish suddenly, be it invisibility, teleportation, flight, or 'other'? 66.142.170.224 05:49, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

IMO, it's no longer speculation to state the shadowy ball-capped man is Sylar, however I would say it is still speculation to say that he has an ability to suddenly vanish. The shadows could be for artistic affect/mystery or they could be a power he "inherited". And while he may be able to use telekinises to fling himself into the air to escape(which is what it looked like to me); it’s still impossible to say that is what happened as the whole thing happened too fast, and was barely glimpsed making it still speculation what happened exactly. Mefanch 06:06, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Bennet identified the shadowy man in Isaac's paints as being Sylar a couple of episodes ago. I also believe that in the previews of next week's episode, there is a clip of Gabriel "Sylar" Gray wearing the cap. However, it would be speculation to say that he has the ability to vanish suddenly. I think that the one time Sylar appeared to have vanished was when Matt cornered him, but the scene was shot in such a way that we couldn't tell how he escape. Primogen 06:03, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

er.. what Primogen said. He's fast on the send button ;) Mefanch 06:06, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Similar to what i've stated earlier on this talk page, and from what i understand of physics, Telekinesis allows for quite a range of abilities. About vanishing/invisibility/shrouding shadows/etcetera, light energy is closely related to matter. Mind over matter would imply mind over energy as well. Telekinetics would allow for the restructuring or bending of light waves or photons; to hide in the shadows, pass light waves through yourself or various and sundry other things. I'm not saying this is what he has done in the episodes (diverted light from his face , etcetera), but if the writers explain it this way, it would make sense. Rihk 01:23, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

No effects have been used, therefore we have no reason to believe that there is anything more than natural shadows involved in hiding Sylar's face. Surely that is why he wears the baseball cap. Branfish 07:33, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Power acquisition through DNA infusion

In "Fallout", Mr. Bennet tells Sylar that he thinks too many infusions of DNA into himself has made him insane. That sounds like Sylar does some Biological Manipulation or Evolution to himself after he uses his unspecified "see the broken" power to note the difference in their brains. Sylar's powers were somehow nullified in the room he was in. Does Mr. Bennet know what he's talking about? --Stabbey 14:47, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

His list of known powers should include Power recongnition and maybe evolution; because it is apprent that he can disconcern his envoirment and negotiate it ie how he escaped his cell in "Fallout". Also, why else would HRG use the term "infusion of DNA" so it is a fact that he can absorb DNA. --—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.175.194.67 (talk • contribs) 14:59, Dec 7, 2006 (UTC).

According to the comic, he didn't escape from his cell. --Kmsiever 22:30, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

There's no evidence that Sylar can recognize powers in any but the usual manner. When he attacked the cheerleaders, he didn't notice that Claire was powered and the other girl not; in the diner he sat near Hiro without noticing anything unusual. I don't think he has any special ability to sense or understand a power; he's just going down the list of probables that Dr. Suresh calculated mathematically.

Also, I'm not sure what to make of Bennet's claim that Sylar's powers wouldn't work in that room, given that in the same episode he telekinesed Eden right through the glass! Either Bennet was lying or mistaken, Sylar has some ability to bypass whatever barrier there was, or he found a weakness in the barrier (again, whatever it was, since it wasn't explained WHY he couldn't use his power in the cell). 66.142.175.202

There could be some device dampening or interfering with abilities in that cell. Eden would need to turn such a devcice off if she wanted to use her power. --Stabbey 19:35, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

The Haitian has shown that he has the ability to limit the use of telepathy. If he can also inhibit other abilities, then it could have been him that was preventing Sylar from using his abilities. Maybe the Haitian just wasn't around when Eden went in to see Sylar. After all, she did seem to be going in "unofficially". Branfish 07:36, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

This interview says that whatever was preventing Sylar from using his powers, it was "more complicated" then something to do with the Haitian. --Stabbey 15:14, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

This interview with the writers says that part of Sylar's method of absorbing the abilities of others is to alter his own DNA. --Stabbey 15:14, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Deaths

Someone did screen captures and transcriptione of the database of names found on Suresh's computer.[2] Should these be mentioned in this article? --Kmsiever 16:33, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

i believe that the only death we can attribute to sylar is the one we saw in "Six Months Ago". dposse 18:29, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

We certainly can't assume that all Heroes that are dead were killed by Sylar. Branfish 07:37, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Killings and Powers - maybe a chart?

The whole issue of listing Sylar's powers and his killings seems to be a touchy one, so I figured I'd discuss before I did anything. Someone deleted the list of Sylar's powers, saying that the list of his murders is enough, but I don't agree. It doesn't deal with his innate power, or the powers with unknown origin, like his ability to fly/jump up the wall or his freezing power which, whether it came from Molly Walker's dad or Sylar already had it, he has it now. So what about making a chart that provides all of the information in an organized way? I'm thinking columns for...

• Power (or "none")
• Origin (the murdered person, innate, or unknown)
• Episode (the episode or comic where he first gets the power or commits the murder, which could also handle Isaac's future death with a parenthetical)
• Cause (not absolutely necessary, but could clarify those he killed for their powers, mistaken identity, or others like Suresh and the FBI guy)

What do you think? I believe such a chart would be able to provide a satisfactory display of both the killings and power absorbsions without being redundant or leaving anything out. Let me know what you think, and unless anyone objects, I'll add it in a day or two. Nerrolken 19:37, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Such a chart may be useful in the future, but it's too early yet. The only powers we've seen him demonstrate is "the ability to figure out how things work" and telekinesis. Everything else is speculative. The article currently talks about what powers he's used, who he is suspected to have killed, and what powers, if any, his victims were know to have had. That's good enough for now. Primogen 19:54, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

But those aren't his only confirmed powers. He innately had the power to figure how how things work, we know he has telekinesis, he has demonstrated on-screen a limited ability to fly when he was fleeing Matt and Audrey and a limited ability to teleport when he jumped into the storeroom to kill Charlie and when he warped forward to Peter on the stairs at Homecoming, and he's certainly got the power to freeze things, at least since killing Molly's father, maybe before. I'm all about not posting speculation, but it has to be either that Sylar had the power to freeze things previously or he got it after that day, unless you want to believe that another hero was present at the murders helping Sylar to kill Molly's dad and then ran off. And frankly, with no mention of Sylar EVER having ANY accomplices, I think that believing someone else could have been involved seems like MORE speculation than just believing that Sylar has the power. There's a difference between posting speculation and adding reasonable deductions. So that's five powers that have actually been shown on-screen, not to mention the more iffy powers like how he survived getting shot and how he was immune to Eden's mind control at the end of Fallout. And besides, it doesn't really matter how many powers he has, because the chart would include non-power-related murders too. It would just make it more organized and easier to read.

Reading over this, it sounds kind of defensive. It's not meant to, that's just how it reads. I'm fully open to reasons why not to add a chart, I just feel that "because he doesn't have enough powers yet" isn't a good reason, because he has demonstrated on screen enough powers to justify a chart, and that's not the only reason to add one. Nerrolken 21:01, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Sylar has never been shown flying, freezing anyone, or teleporting on screen. You are assuming Sylar flew, because there didn't appear to be any way out of where Matt cornered him in FBI headquarters. You are assuming that Sylar froze Molly's dad because he was found frozen. You are assuming that Sylar teleported into the storeroom, because he wasn't shown walking in. (I missed some of the Peter-Sylar confrontation, so I can't comment on it). Now, those are all reasonable deductions, but putting our deductions, however reasonable, into an article is a violation of Wikipedia:No Original Research. Primogen 21:23, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

For that matter what may appear as flying or "warping" could easily been Sylar using telekinesis to transport himself as he would any other object. There is also nothing to dissuade the idea that Sylar came in through the back door of the restaurant rather than teleporting. --Kmsiever 21:37, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Invulnerability

In ""Homecoming", Sylar took quite a fall from the top of the stadium, yet managed to walk away. In "Fallout", he tells Eden that the gun won't harm him. Does this this indicate some sort of invulnerability or restance to injury? If so, we should it be mwntioned on the page? I'm well aware of all the WP:NOR claims against "speculating about powers", but this seems fairly clear... Thoughts? - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 22:57, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

It's quite okay to mention what characters do or say, but we can't draw any conclusions from it. So, we can say that Sylar survived unharmed a long fall that would have killed or injured an ordinary person, or that he siad that the gun wouldn't harm him. But how exactly he was able to survive the fall or why he said the gun wouldn't harm him would involve analysis, deduction or speculation on our parts. Primogen 00:09, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Sylar didn't seem concerned about Eden's gun, she was pointing it at him and he just told her that it couldn't harm him. Sylar was a bit less invulnerable then he seemed after "Homecoming", he lost a good deal of blood. Peter could have broken Sylar's fall enough to keep Sylar form suffering fatal injury. Heightened resistance is a possibility, but I personally think the reason why he wasn't worried about Eden's gun was that he could use telekinesis to stop the bullet. Hopefully the powers he's taken will be explicitly mentioned at some point. --Stabbey 04:26, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't think so. If he was invulnerable, then what would be his big deal about capturing the cheerleader to aquire her healing factor?--Hypergeometric2F1(a,b,c,x) 05:15, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Technically, all he knew was that a cheerleader saved a man from a fire. Maybe he's greedy and was hoping to "get lucky". Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 05:56, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

On the other hand, he had Suresh Sr.'s list, and he knows that the cheerleader IS special, just not sure how. -- Kschang77 08:18, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

We know that bullets can knock him down, but they don't penetrate, from the earlier Parkman attack on him when he was preoccupied with Agent Hanson. Or was he just distracted? -- Kschang77 08:18, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Also, any ideas on WHY Eden and the Haitian were able to catch him so easily, yet later when Eden went to the room Sylar was no longer affected? My theory is Sylar was injured in the fall and he was slowly putting himself together (he knew when things are broken) and thus didn't have the power to resist them. -- Kschang77 08:18, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

There is no sign of immunity or resistance to Eden's powers. Eden's command was poorly phrased ("I'm going to put the gun in the slot, then you're going to ..."), allowing Sylar to attack Eden before she could follow through.--Eloquence* 08:39, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I think his psychic abilty can account for the bullets bouncing off him, since we saw in Homecoming that he can throw people against walls with a wave of his hand and throw stuff at Peter. Also, eden and the hatian "easily caught him" because they were the perfect team who blindsided him when sylar was weak. The hatian canceled his powers, and eden made him sleep. The hatian wasn't with eden when she decided to take matters into her own hands, and her command was weak. dposse 14:38, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Her command was *terrible*. As long as he didn't let her put the gun in the slot, the command was worthless.

IMO it’s speculation, and as unclear as saying he can “fly”. There are many “possibly” reasons that he wasn’t hurt, and not worried about the gun. Time will sort it out. Just have to wait till January (unfortunately) Mefanch 00:59, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, he did seem to go down pretty quickly with the tranquilizers in the graphic novel, so he could have been bluffing....Although we shouldn't speculate, we should just give them the facts and let the readers draw their own conclusions.--DeadGuy 04:15, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

About Eden, I'm unclear whether she decided to shoot herself, or if Sylar made her shoot. When I saw the episode, her hand seemed to move unnaturally fast for her to be moving on her own. Any confirmation on this? Bio 20:57, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

She shot herself. Sylar wanted her brain intact, he wouldn't have shot her. The comic confirms this. --Stabbey 19:35, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

"main antagonist"

Recently, users have been attempted to assert that Sylar is the "main antagonist" of Heroes. I don't really find this appropriate. Thoughts? Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 01:38, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't think we can definitively claim Sylar as the main antagonist. I don't see Sylar as being a character that will last the entire series, if it goes on for several seasons. Mr. Bennett might well prove to be the serie's main antagonist (even to Sylar), and it may be that Theodore Sprague will instigate the nuclear explosion everyone will eventually try to prevent in this season's main storyline. There are too many plots and too much mystery to establish a main protagonist yet. Primogen 01:55, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I think currently he is the main antagonist. Not to say that won't change in the future. If the series lasts a few years, which hopefully it will, they could have a series of main antagonists. Who's the main antagonist for Batman or Wolverine? Just depends on which year you are reading. Mr. Bennett could end up the main antagonist in a future story, currently I see him more as a "edgy" professor X type; but either way - in the current development of the story, he's not the main antagonist; imo it's Sylar. Mefanch 05:52, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

The fact that it is only an opinion makes it too subjective and speculative for an encyclopedia addition, especially in the intro. While I don't agree with the Batman example,—ever hear of The Joker?—you make a good point about flucuation; too good, I'm afraid. Much like main character status on the show, the "main antagonist" shouldn't be for us to decide, especially if there's a chance we could be wrong. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 06:06, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Plus, there can be many different "arcs" or storylines. Consider though, did Sylar ever antagonize Niki, Micah or D.L.? Sylar may have been the main villainous focus for the arc comprising episodes 1-13 ("Sylar arc"?), and the rest of the first season may focus on the "bomb arc" or the "monster arc" or whatever. We do not know yet, therefore it cannot be verified and is not worthy of inclusion. Rihk 04:49, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

From what I understand of the term "antagonist", a crucial aspect of the term is that the character is in opposition to the characters from whose POV the story is told. As Mr. Bennett's POV is one of those used regularly on the series, I think this would rule out his definition as an antagonist, despite his shady early appearences. As for Sylar, I agree that it is too early to define a MAIN antagonist, I think he is clearly AN antagonist. Branfish 07:47, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Freezing

I finally got around to reading that Entertainment Weeky article on Heroes, and I was surprised to read the following: "Sylar, a serial killer prone to freezing flesh and sawing skulls open." So, there's a secondary source that says he can freeze people. Admittedly, their fact-checking may not be rigorous ("sawing their skulls open" -- although they may have meant figuratively), and they may have gleamed that bit of info through assumption by watching that episode about the Walker killings. But, I throw this out to you to mull over. Primogen 00:51, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Nah, it doesn't mean anything. I could assert the same thing from only what I've seen -- two of the Sylar killings had corpsicles around (the Walkers and Isaac in the future), and I can easily draw from that that he's got some kind of Cryokinesis ability -- but that's just my inference. EW need not have any inside info to make that claim, and it doesn't make them a credible source. (Actually, I want to say there's been a third frozen body, but I can't remember who or where. I'm probably just wrong.) 66.142.175.202

You're probably thinking of the 'behind the scenes' shot of a frozen cop with his arm broken off - http://heroeswiki.com/Image:FrozenCop.jpg - I think this scene didn't make it to air, but I could be wrong.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.112.93.84 (talk • contribs) on 15:26, December 23, 2006 (UTC); Please sign your posts!

Excuse my poor english but this is my theory. If he can move objects, he also can stop the movement of them. So, he can freeze objects with the telekinetic power. --85.49.8.36 23:18, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

You're english was pretty good there, and I've seen craptastic english. Anyway, by "freezing", we mean literal ice onto flesh, et cetera. Some have theorized that a highly adept telekinetic could immitate Cryokinesis, but I don't buy that Sylar's got "ultra leet psycho powers". The freezing has also been a one-episode thing so far, so it's hard to argue that what Happened to Mr. Walker wasn't incidental. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 01:13, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

If you're talking about 'highly adept' telekinetics and extend their 'ability to move things at a distance' down to the atomic level, you could do pretty much anything! Slow down atomic vibrations to freeze things, increase atomic vibrations to burn things, recombine molecules to create objects out of thin air, etc. Heck, why stop there? Why not give him the ability to telekinetically break apart atomic nuclei and cause fission? Telekinetically fuse atomic nuclei and cause fusion? But these things aren't 'classically' associated with telekinesis. I'd suspect that the show's writers would not have considered cryogenesis an 'aspect' of telekinesis, not because they're not smart but because audiences would probably get confused. If you look at the way the storytelling has been done, certainly appears that the writers are trying to tell us that the cryogenesis power was acquired, and not an aspect of telekinesis - Mr. Bennet and Sylar himself say explicitly that Sylar has absorbed multiple powers, but on screen we have only conclusively observed classical telekinesis and implied cryogenesis, with the 'red-herring' of radiogenesis (Ted Sprague). (By the way, cryoKINESIS is a kinda sloppy term - KINESIS means 'to move', so cryokinesis means 'cold mover', which isn't quite right. A more accurate suffix is -GENESIS, meaning 'to generate' or 'to create' - thus the terms I used here.)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.112.93.84 (talk • contribs) on 15:26, December 23, 2006 (UTC); Please sign your posts!