Talk:The Black Hole
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[edit] Discussion 2005
I wasn't sure how to reword this in the article itself, but it bears pointing out that, in the film, the Cygnus does not lose its gravitational control because the battle between the Palimino crew and the Cygnus robots. It loses control because of a huge meteor storm that strikes the ship.
Well, why don't you write that down in the article? By the way, is the black hole, in this film, and actual hole in space or is it a concentration of mass like it is in real life? I suspect it's probably a portal to another dimension. "A new reality of existence"? Scorpionman 01:35, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
- As far as I understand it, a black hole is a mass compressed to a single point in space. Its gravity is so strong that light cannot escape it, which explains the moniker. As for what happens to space inside a black hole, ask Stephen Hawking. -- Popefelix 13:51, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
Disney Ending
I didn't think this was appropriate to the article so I thought I'd put it here. It seems that despite its PG rating, the ending of the movie is still quite "disneyfied", with the cast members placed into some sort of heaven/hell scenario, rather than crushed into a single point in space due to catastrophic gravitational collapse. Or perhaps the entire ending is a hallucination caused during a period of unconsciousness prior to death due to being crushed to a single point in space?
We may never know the definitive truth about black holes (unless we can find some sort of energy capable of escaping back over their event horizon), but I'm at least 99.99% confident that what happens to you when you enter one has nothing to do with whether you were a good or bad person, any more than what happens to you after you leap out of a skyscraper window has to do with your moral qualities. Gravity is gravity. RudolfRadna 20:18, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
- The idea that a black hole is a gateway to another place in space/time or another space/time entirely is an old one in science fiction. That Disney used this is not a particular slight against them or an indictment of the film in any way, it's simply one of the ideas present in the genre. Iceberg3k 04:06, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
And science fiction is science FICTION. Wanna pick a fight with Kubrick for the Star Child?--RicardoC 20:33, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
I readed the book of the movie "The black hole". In the book the three people die when they voyage in the inner of black hole, and their bodies compremied into atoms. But their minds live.
Philipp Mevius, Germany 15 December 2005
[edit] Classic?
In this article the film was referred to as "a science fiction classic." I took that line out, because so far as I know it's mostly considered a bad film by those who remember it at all. Some critical reviews backing this notion of TBH being a newly appreciated classic might justify the line, if anyone could find any. Sleeper99999 13:52, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
- It's a cult film, really. Certainly not like Monty Python and the Holy Grail, but there's enough of a following to it to get a small DVD re-release I've seen tucked away in Wal-Mart in the past few months. Some people are still watching (including myself). Also, I have to dispute the "answer to Star Wars" theory, since it was so long in preproduction, though certainly progress might have been sped up because of it. I don't have any evidence to back this up aside from a promo booklet in a limited-edition VHS re-release tin, which could very well be biased, so for now I leave that as it is.
- I agree with the assertion the this is a cult film. I've always loved it, but it's not to everyone's taste.194.75.129.2 02:14, 22 January 2006 (UTC)Robovski
[edit] Angel?
Been a while since I watched this movie, but I remember as a kid watching it over and over until the VHS tape wore out. But anyway, I don't recall the crew ever encountering an angel. I remember Reinhart merging with Maximillian "in hell", but the crew are then seen entering the black hole in the escape ship and they get all the flashback voices and flashing lights as they pass down a wormhole or whatever it was. I don't recall ever seeing an angel. Cyberia23 18:38, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
- Just watched it about a month ago, and there is indeed an angel in the part where they fly through heaven or the ice castle or whatever it is. --Quasipalm 18:43, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
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- Oh, okay, it must have been something they see in the tunnel then. They didn't stop and talk to it. I think I remember the castle thing and recall some "ghostly" images or something drifting past them for a moment. Cyberia23 19:15, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
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- Good point -- I may just have been a ghost, I don't remeber any wings or anything else angley. --Quasipalm 15:36, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Centaurus & The Black Hole
I was in the Student Union building at the University of Arizona in 1977, when Robert McCall showed us a slideshow during Desertcon 77 a Sci Fi Convention.
Bob showed us the new Disney movie called "Centaurus" and showed us the artwork he was doing for Disney studios.
He showed us the Cygnus which was then called Centaurus.
He said the movie would be about the 1st manned trip to Alpha Centauri.
He showed us a robot holding a childs hand on the deck of the starship.
I yelled out, "A boy and his robot on their was to Alpha Centauri! This is "Lost In Space" and it is plaglarism! You cant do this, you'll get sued!"! And then I told him that you may have to buy the rights to LIS from Irwin Allen. Bob was dejected.
When the studio found out, they changed the story from a trip to Alpha Centauri to a Black Hole. They got rid of the children and had a robot and his sidekick, instead. They kept the starship and artwork and renamed it the Cygnus and renamed the effort "The Black Hole".
The movie was panned by critics and made little money. Later the Disney Board of investors voted to remove Disneys president and replace him with Michael Eisner. He started Touchstone Pictures to market Disney made movies to PG rated audiences. The whole thing is documented in Time magazine under the name "Rumblings On Dopey Drive". around 1979-80.
Supercool Dude 14:25, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Kate's line "habitable life"
What is wrong with Kate's line "to discover habitable life in outer space"? Doesn't this mean the same thing as this article, Habitability? Basicly they were out there looking for planets or moons that could sustain life. I don't think it's a dialogue mistake at all. --Ricky540 23:13, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Plaglarism
Yes, it was true. This movie began as an accidental plaglarism case and evolved into even more.
You see, the ending of this movie was almost identical to an episode of Space 1999 "The Black Sun" where they accidentally fall into a black hole and rendezvous with some sort of a spirit and then somehow miraculously survive G-Forces, strong enough to rip apart your body into molecules.
Even though Disney Studios went out of their way to avoid plaglarising Irwin Allen's Lost In Space, they wound up copying a TV series and got away with it.
Supercool Dude 00:54, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
