Talk:The Frog Princess (film)

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[edit] Sources

Are there any non-blog sources for the information presented in this article? WP has been rather strict on not using LaughingPlace or JHM as sources for WP articles. SpikeJones 13:35, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

See WP:SELFPUB for reference, for those who were not familiar with the WP policy.SpikeJones 12:28, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Reading through the "history" section, it doesn't read as a history of the film, but a history of the release of news, almost like a list of released rumors. The sources and when and how the information was released are not important to the article. 208.203.4.140 17:53, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Here is a more reliable source Yahoo News - Disney's upcoming Princess film to have black heroine . 208.203.4.140 17:55, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "black" vs "african-american"

Might as well make a decision on this early as a group, then we can stick with it for sure. News articles have used the term "black" to describe Maddy, as well as the pc phrase "african american". The disney press release [1] and the transcript from the announcement during the shareholders meeting both use the term "african american". Certainly we could go either way with this on wp, but the question is whether the disney press release was purposely trying to be politically correct or if they purposely are specifying that the princess will be american. would this alienate non-americans who would view a new "american" princess differently than if the princess' description was "black" instead? i know wp doesn't censor quotes; is WP supposed to be pc in its terminology? not all blacks in america are african-american, and blacks in other countries aren't necessarily referred to as (for example) african-swedish or african-british. so, with all that being said, which term should we officially use to describe maddy here on wp? SpikeJones 03:00, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

if it helps, this is a start of WP's guidelines on usage that we can refer to: WP:STYLE#IDENTITY SpikeJones 04:46, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

It is simple; “Black” refers to people who are the decedents of the original inhabitants of Africa (regardless of what country they currently reside). “African-American” refers specifically to Americans who are the decedents of the original inhabitants of Africa. Thus, the terms are interchangeable when referring to Americans with African ancestry. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.175.42.81 (talk • contribs) 02:57, 16 March 2007.

Personally, I prefer African-American, as it's more specific than Black. Since Disney uses 'African-American' in their press releases, I think we can safely assume that Maddy is actually an American with African ancestry. Lunapuella 08:23, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I certainly agree with your reasoning, aside from one thing that keeps bothering me about the term in this instance: I think this is the first time that Disney is specifically stating that a princess is "American", as opposed to being from a generic country. I'll grant that Mulan is from China and Pocohantas is obviously an American Indian, but Disney didn't promote either of them as "their first Chinese princess" et al. Yes, Belle lives in France, but she's not advertised as Disney's "French Princess". (Technically, I suppose that Mulan and Pocohantas aren't officially princesses, but they do show up at the occasional "meet the princesses" events. Your guess is as good as mine.) The main point is whether Disney is using the term specifically because they are trying to be PC, or if it was an on-purpose use. If only we had a way to find out for sure other than reading items from a PR flak. Offical AP style guidelines say to use the term "black". When the term African American does appear, it is to be without hyphens, and occasionally within quotes. The reasoning behind this is that the publications using AP style have international readership, and the term "black" is more internationally accepted.SpikeJones 12:16, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

But why would you use African-American? There is only one other American princess, Pocahontas, just call her black because that is what she is. I know she is African-American too, but saying that gives the impression that all the other princesses are American. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.225.206.193 (talk) 03:39, 17 March 2007 (UTC).