Talk:Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas

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Contents 1 Nature of Coop 2 save-vegas.com 3 Release date 4 Gameplay error 5 Edit but no sudden appearance 6 Weapons 7 Clean up? 8 Xbox Live Guest 9 Small correction 10 Mayor of Las Vegas condemns this game 11 Weapons? 12 'Micropulse bomb'? 13 List of Weapons 14 Online Problem 15 Weapons, Revisited 16 headset ineffective 17 Added additional header 18 PS3 Info 19 Genre 20 media 21 Putting your face in the game

[edit] Nature of Coop

This might not be the right venue, but for any of you you have the game are you able to do coop with in the campaign on a single xbox system. Just add the answer in the space alloted thanks : )

Answer : Yes, through split screen. You'll still get the coop achievements. Like online coop though, you'll miss all of the story segments and basically play through the map without actually participating in the story.

[edit] save-vegas.com

this site is not a promotional site, as it does not include screenshots or any info about the game. it is a fake teaser site that is not relevant to the article. I had the link removed. Pacman 20:28, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it WAS a sort of ARG since the website was registered to Ubisoft, but it now redirects to the main site. Unicyclopedia 08:32, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Release date

I was just in an EB Games to preorder this, and they say the launch date for PS3 is now January 07 68.81.172.129 05:35, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

• "There kind can not be tursted" 74.226.224.216 02:20, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gameplay error

The gameplay section stated that the health system in vegas is similar to the ones used in "Call of Duty 2, Halo, and Gears of War." The Halo reference is incorrect. The original Halo had a standard. limited health bar. Halo 2 was the first in the series to have regenerative health. The original Halo DID have a regenerative shield, but the health was limited to seven bars, if memory serves. -- Mellesime 21:17, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

The new reference is correct but confusing. Why is Call of Duty 2 the first game listed when Halo 2 used this system before it? The list is almost alphabetical, but Gears of War is clearly misplaced. Fix maybe? -Some guy

[edit] Edit but no sudden appearance

Wow, I've just tried editing this whole page, I save and go back to the article. No changes, what is going on? I've made the article "third person", people keep on having grammatical and spelling mistakes in which I have fixed. Someone please edit that, my browser/computer/net does not seem to work...

edit* sorry, after 3-4 minutes, the updates became effective

[edit] Weapons

I will be adding the weapon list as it appears on the game's offical website. Please check http://rainbowsixgame.us.ubi.com/vegas/info/weapons.php for reference. Gundam94 19:06, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

You missed the MK46. 68.219.117.67 04:25, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I did? Well thank you for adding that. Also why was the turret mounted M249 removed? Gundam94 22:12, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Clean up?

This article seems pretty bad. Anyone with experience, would it be wise to put the "multiplayer unlockables" in a table of some kind? It takes up a large amount of space right now.

Also, the plot section seems to be an in-depth walkthrough of the entire game. Perhaps it should be summarized to remove all the unnecessary parts? 68.219.117.67 04:31, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I have deleted the multiplyer unlockables for now. If someone ss willing to put them into a (small) table, just do, but I dont think this is of any great inmportance.--ChrisJG 13:13, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

I did the original plot summary, and I realize that it wasn't so much a summary as a novel. So I shortened it quite a bitright now, so hopefully that will cut down on a lot of the stuff that I put in. arrowdynamicsx 7:54, 30 January 2007 (UMT)

[edit] Xbox Live Guest

I have been looking for a way to sign a guest onto xbox live with me. Everyone I ask in the game says I can not. But in the book on page 15 it says under Singing in to Xbox Live "Selecting Xbox Live will bring you to the Xbox Live Sign-In screen. If you're playing split screen, you and up to one guest can play on a single Xbox 360 system. After you sign in, each player can edit and modify his or her identity."Deathfromace 06:16, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

You can't - the manual refers to you playing splitsceen offline.

yeah that sucks dont it.

[edit] Small correction

Couldn't help but notice how at the very top of the page, it said "a new Rainbow Six team was introduced." I removed the "Six" and the link to the Rainbow Six page. If this change is incorrect, please change it back and my apologies for the mistake.

[edit] Mayor of Las Vegas condemns this game

The mayor of Las Vegas Oscar Goodman has objected to the game's being set in his town. See these articles from GamePolitics.com: [1] [2] Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 02:17, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Weapons?

Why were the list of weapons deleted?69.129.67.253 20:10, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I think there should be some kind of weapons list and as I see it there are two ways to do it (1) Make a Prose Section on weapons as suggested by Y2kcrazyjoker4 (2) Make a seperate article on Rainbow Six Vegas weapons and post a link to it on the Rainbow six Vegas article. I am open to suggestions. --DanMP5 ^Talk * ^Contribs 23:44, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

No one appearantly has any objections so I am going with making a seperate article and linking it to the Rainbow six vegas article. if anybody has any objections please say so i am going to make the article on Jan. 16th--DanMP5 ^Talk * ^Contribs 04:46, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I originally had already posted the list of weapons and it was deleted at least twice. I dont know why people keep deleting them.Gundam94 22:12, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

They say its a Indiscriminate Game Guide, I made a Rainbow six vegas weapons article it was deleted in two days so I am going to add a short Prose section on weapons unless anyone has any objections.--DanMP5 ^Talk | ^Contribs 04:22, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Don't make a separate section for weapons. If you are intending on including a mention on the variety of weapons in the game, include a short paragraph or two in the gameplay section as necessary. --Scottie theNerd 04:31, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

R6:Vegas is to guns what Gran Turismo is to cars, and you wouldn't make a GT page without listing the cars. I vote include the list. seconded —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.42.129.73 (talk)

A Gran Turismo page shouldn't have a full car list. This isn't a vote. This is application of Wikipedia policy. If you have problems with the policy, discuss on the relevant page. Otherwise, heed the guidelines in Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games and discuss them on its relevant talk page. --Scottie_theNerd 02:53, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 'Micropulse bomb'?

Anyone know what this weapon is actually supposed to be? Google brings up some other fiction that used it, but little else. The only clue in the game was a cutscene where someone was apparently exposed to it and had his face melt off or something. --Ted 07:32, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

In the game, Walters, the demo-expert, says that it is comparable to "putting your pet in a microwave." -- 11:25, 29 January 2007

The Gillette Mach 3 razor is supposed to run on micropulses. I think its a fancy word for "vibration."

I think someone said it also had a 5 mile radius in the game.Peacemaker456 09:35, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of Weapons

I have re-merged the list to this article. The list was up for AfD, and while I do not think it should have it's own article, I do think a list of weapons in a video game is encyclopedic (as part of the game's article) and inherently verifiable. --Falcorian ^(talk) 18:45, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Looks like somebody decided to get rid of it again. I think that this page would indeed benefit from a weapons list, as it's a major part of the game. -- arrowdynamicsx 6:50, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Look at the discussion already on this talk page. The Weapons section has been removed and the relevant article has also been through the deletion process. A weapon list violates WP:NOT: Wikipedia is not a game guide nor is it an indiscriminate list of trivial. A full weapon list is naturally important to the game and its players, but of minimal value for readers who do not play the game. Just because such information is useful does not mean it meets Wikipedia guidelines. --Scottie theNerd 12:13, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

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My best guess is that it's some kind of Microwave weapon. I know the US and Soveits experemented with these weapons during the cold war. I know for a fact the Soveits had one and pointed it at the US Embassy in Moscow. It made a few people sick and I think gave stomach cancer to another. As far as making a microwave "bomb", I dont think that's possible.......yet.

[edit] Online Problem

There is a glitch online which makes the player take a few steps and then taken back to where they started over and over again.i think it should be added somewhere in the articlePeacemaker456 18:53, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

It's not encyclopedic information. Unless it's a notable problem that is documented by a reliable source, it's not worth mentioning in the article. Sounds like it's just a lag problem anyway. --Scottie theNerd 22:53, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Weapons, Revisited

If a weapons list is so wrong, why is there a weapons list in the GRAW article? It would be cool for people that do not know much about firearms to be able to see the real-life versions of the guns in the game, don't you think? Also, for those readers that do not play the game, they're probably here because they're interested in playing. A weapons list would only help them learn more about the game's realism, right? --Scottymoze 13:36, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

People who are interested in reading about in-game items can find them on Wikipedia, and including a list is not an indication of realism. Wikipedia game articles do not contain lists of items or other equipment as per WP:NOT and more specifically the Wikipedia:WikiProject Computer and video games guidelines. Be aware that inclusion is not an indication of notability, and the GRAW weapon list has now been removed. Do not assume what readers use Wikipedia for, and understand what Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a game site providing reviews for potential players. --Scottie theNerd 13:46, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

A weapons list is very encyclopedic, since perhaps the most important thing in a FPS is the weapons. And how can it be a game guide, a game guide tells how to do something, and a weapons list doesn't tell how to do anything, it just states facts about what kind of guns & stuff are in a game.--DanMP5 (Talk | Contribs) 16:44, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

It's not the existence of a list that indicates realism, it's that the in-game weapons represent actual weapons...I don't understand how you could have misunderstood that, honestly...But anyway to get back to my main point, all of the articles below ALSO have weapons lists - and that is just the Tom Clancy games, let alone the hundreds of others out there that most likely have the same. So your statement "Wikipedia game articles do not contain lists..." is wrong. Are you going to go delete the weapons lists from all of those as well? Why are you enforcing your rule selectively? --Scottymoze 16:45, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

• Rainbow Six: Rogue_Spear
• Rainbow Six 3: Raven_Shield
• Ghost Recon 2
• Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory
• Splinter Cell: Double Agent

There's a silly little article called DOOM...it happens to have an entire paragraph mentioning all weapons in the game...and by the way...it's a Wikipedia FEATURED ARTICLE. So now may I ask you to stop deleting weapons lists and leave it alone? I have a feeling you won't though. --Scottymoze 17:04, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

In line 4 of WP:NOT#INDISCRIMINATE it states that wikipedia is not a "video game guide", The definition of "video game guide" is Here, and it mentions nothing about weapons lists. So I think your(Scottie theNerd's) reason for deleting weapons lists is wrong, saying that it is in violation of WP:NOT a game guide.--DanMP5 (Talk | Contribs) 05:20, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

That's a commonly quoted response to enforcement of WP:NOT, and hence why I pointed out Wikipedia:WikiProject Computer and video games. In particular, from Wikipedia:WikiProject_Computer_and_video_games/Article_guidelines:

Scope of information

Articles on computer and video games should give an encyclopedia overview of what the game is about, not a detailed description of how to play it or an excessive amount of non-encyclopedic trivia. Such topics should be moved to one of the gaming wikis: Encyclopedia Gamia for general info/trivia, StrategyWiki for walkthrough/strategy/gameplay content or GamerWiki for categoric listings of releases, due to the pending deletion of the Wikibooks computer and video games bookshelf.

A general rule of thumb to follow if unsure: if the content only has value to people actually playing the game, it's unsuitable. Keep in mind that video game articles should be readable and interesting to non-gamers; remember the bigger picture. To propose that an article or section should be moved to a gaming wiki, use the {{Move to gaming wiki}} tag.

A few things to note: Just because articles contain or have contained weapon lists does not mean that all articles should, nor does it mean that it has set a precedent (see WP:INN). The CVG WikiProject aims to trim down information into concise prose rather than lists, and while lists (and note I said "indiscriminate lists") aren't guides in themselves, they consist of needless detail for an encyclopedic article and would more likely be found.

The main point here is that details such as weapons and items should be presented in brief as a paragraph, not as a full list. The CVG guidelines state that articles should avoid not only instructions on how to play a game, but also "excessive amounts of non-encyclopedic trivia", which covers lists. I don't fully agree that weapons in R6 equate to cars in GT, and personally I consider car lists to be needless trivia as well. There is no need for an encyclopedia to list out every single item or object in a game; a brief description is more than enough, and you are free to include brief mentions of some notable items in the game if you so wish. However, as pointed out in the guideline quoted above, extensive and/or comprehensive lists should go to specialised gaming sites than Wikipedia. I don't enforce the rules selectively; I simply don't frequent or edit every single game article.

Regarding some other comments: I don't see a weapon list in the DOOM article, only an encyclopedic paragraph outlining the scope of weapons in the game, which the R6:V article also contains. For another drawn-out debate on weapons, see Talk:Gears of War#Weapons. --Scottie theNerd 01:45, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I went to Encyclopedia Gamia, that's a neat site, it even has a complete R6V weapons list. So I was wondering, why not have a reference to it's R6V article in the WP article, for people coming here to see what kind of guns are in the game, (before i buy a game, i like to know if it has my favorite guns in it), yes it is important to some people.--DanMP5 (Talk | Contribs) 04:31, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

With the exception of specific Wikis (for example, a theoretical Rainbow Six Wiki), Wikipedia does not link to entries in other Wikis. Basically, Wikipedia isn't an advertising ground for other sites or wikis. As far as I know, it is beyond the scope of Wikipedia to link every video game article to their respective entries on StrategyWiki or E-Gamia; nor would I imagine Wikipedia would like to entries in other Wikis. As Wikipedia is not a one-stop resource shop, it is up to the reader themselves to go to StrategyWiki, E-Gamia or GameFAQs. While a weapon list can be useful to some readers, you have to bear in mind what Wikipedia is and is not; Wikipedia isn't the place to promote a game or its content. --Scottie theNerd 12:37, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] headset ineffective

In solo mode, if you use the xbox live headset you can tell the squad what to do.But its hard to use as i told them to move and they take forever to understand or they do the wrong thing.Peacemaker456 18:02, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Added additional header

In response to the above section, I added the additional header at the top. This isn't a message board, it should only be used to discuss ways to improve the article. Levid37 22:47, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] PS3 Info

What happened to all the PS3 info on this page? This is a multi-platform title and all I see is Xbox 360 info. --Cmsjustin 00:42, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Answer: It still mentions that it's for PS3. Although the top of the article does say that there's a rumor it may get cancelled due to the number of delays.

[edit] Genre

Shouldn't this just be listed as a FPS rather than a tactical shooter? I realize the series is traditionally considered tactical, but the changes in this game prevent it from being realistic enough to be a simulation game. Regenerative health means that you don't necessarily need to use realistic tactics except when extremely outnumbered, which is also the case in any other non-tactical shooter. Not to mention the recoil is less realistic than even counter-strike, which has always been considered too run and gun to be tactical. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ubersuntzu (talk • contribs).

Read Tactical shooter, it almost describes R6V. And the regenerative health is fairly weak compared to other games, that is you can sometimes get shot only two times and die, and it regenerates very slowly so you are forced to take cover until it completely regenerates. Also the lack of recoil is only visual, meaning that the gun appears not to recoil very much, but if you watch the tracers they disperse heavily.--DanMP5 (Talk | Contribs) 15:07, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

P.S. Please sign your posts using four tildes (~~~~).

Realism doesn't affect whether a game is a tactical shooter. A game can be set in a sci-fi environment and given the tactical gameplay approach. Vegas forces players to use cover, use tactical items, command a small unit in team assaults and the game's artificial intelligence is designed to respond to these tactics. Regenerating health doesn't make it any less tactical; arguably it's only used to bridge the gap between firefights rather than having a traditional R6 mission-style campaign or looking for health packs. --Scottie_theNerd 01:59, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] media

i was online and i found posters for 300 and the royal navy on certain levels.Peacemaker456 17:27, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Dynamic ingame advertising. As was done with Battlefield 2142 EntityHavoc 08:25, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Putting your face in the game

How do I make my player with my face. I have the camera but Do not see any options for using it. 04-05-07

This page is for discussion of the article, not how to operate features in the game. --Scottie_theNerd 06:41, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Warning Nobody please delate the weapons list that I added or I will file a complant about the person who does —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Matt7878 (talk • contribs).

Complaint about what? Reverting content that violates WP:NOT and does not follow the Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games guidelines? --Scottie_theNerd 04:49, 6 April 2007 (UTC)