Talk:Tribe of Judah
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Regarding the comment "The Messiah *will* come out of the tribe of Judah". It should be "The Messiah *came out of* the tribe of Judah." His name is Jesus Christ/Yeshua!
Asserting religious beliefs is not appropriate for a general-purpose encyclopedia. I've emended the sentence to reflect that The Messiah is a figure of Judeo-Christianity.
The phrase Judeo-Christianity asserts it's own belief. The blanket term is inherently contradictory and is cleverly biased toward Jewish thought and worldview. Can Judaism and Christianity be any more opposite at their core? You may as well invent the term Judeo-Islamic, but that wouldn't appeal to the current state of affairs. Propaganda, whether intentional or not, is not appropriate for a general-purpose encyclopedia either.
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[edit] Notable Members???
Why are the "slaves brought to the U.S." notable members of the Tribe of Judah. This is a misleading unsourced extreme minority viewpoint thrown in probably to push some point of view. If anything, the "slaves brought to the U.S." should be listed under "modern descendants" not "notable members" (which should list individuals). If it were up to me, I think "slaves brought to the U.S." should be removed entirely from this article.
Also, with all due respect to Yechezkel Landau, whom I'm sure is well known in some circles, he is much less "notable" than Biblical figures such as Judah, Caleb, Boaz, Jesse, Absalom, Solomon, Hezekiah, Josiah, and Isaiah, none of whom apparently merited mention of this list of "notable members". So I added the above mentioned individuals. Personally I think its a bit silly to have a list of "notable members" of the main tribe of the Old Testimate. While I understand that not everyone who reads wikipedia has read the Bible, from reading the article people should get the idea that pretty much a lot of important characters from the Old Testimate are going to be notable members of the Tribe of Judah. Michael.passman 08:43, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
I want to know how and when "judeans" were black people. While I don't doubt that there were and are sephardic jews in spain and portugal, I'm still a little confused as to how they are also black. That's like the ludicrous claim that just because mary, joseph and jesus fled to egypt to escape the Roman death sentence on children, they are black.Saucybetty 07:07, 14 December 2006 (UTC) What's "ludicrous" is your attempt to make "jesus" a historical figure. There were no "j"s in hebrew or greek so there's no way someone named jesus did anything. Secondly human sacrifice is an abomination to the Hebrew Diety to whom the Torah and tanaach refer to. Thirdly, The slaves brought to America are most certainly from this judaic stock. There are records to prove it. Even you, who insist on deleting this lost information should see it to be strange that these slaves were told they didn't have a history or a home land at all.This same stock was made slaves in Egypt and Babylon. It is the same lineage.Look at deuteronomy 28 and see who it describes. Look at it with an open heart, not sneering or negative, just look at who it describes. Slavery was justified to the American public by saying they would make the slaves christians.The Inquisition said the same thing. Those slaves were deported from portuguese prisons, sent to Sao Thome and from there made slaves in America. Even the Haplotype of the American Negro shows an middle Eastern origin.Please stop deleting this info, even if you do not agree with it, that does not make it untrue.
I don't think Jesus was what he was called in Hebrew or Aramaic, it would have been Yeshua. Jesus is the anglicised version of the original name.In Greek it is pronounced as Yesu. Jesus was called most probably addressed as Yeshua in those times. --Davidmichell 12:31, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Jesus Christ
Being a descendant of David, wasn't Jesus of the tribe of Judah?
I think he should be in that list. He certainly was a notable person then, and people still discuss him even now. --Davidmichell 12:31, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] African slaves
This looks like original research. Please bring reliable verifiable sources. ←Humus sapiens ну? 12:01, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
No this isn't original research"The African Origin of Modern Judaism", by Jose V. Malcioln, " Judea Trembles Under Rome", "The Valley of Dry Bones" and "From Babylon To Timbuktu", written by Rudolph Windsor. "This Black Jesus", by Ettiese Abisika, The Works of Josephus speak of Judeans being "black", President of Egypt Gamal Nasser(who isn't black) said,"There will never be peace in Israel because the jews left Black, but returned white." There are other sources if you are truly interested, but I hope this will suffice.(I know it won't, there has been an agenda of hiding the true origin of the people that were made slaves in America since the shameful deed began. Also Deuteronomy 28 states what would happen if the "people of the book" did not remember their covenant.63.215.29.23 18:20, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
- Proof please. See WP:CITE. A quote if possible would be nice. Nasser is not an authority on Jewish history. ←Humus sapiens ну? 21:46, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Modern Members
It is certainly true and it was certainly prophesied. What is also true is Genesis 10 clearly states Ashkenaz descended from Japheth and not from Shem. The word Ashkenazi Jew is an oxymoron. They descended from the converted Khazars. See The Thirteenth Tribe by Arthur Koestler.
And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety (promise) that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them 400 years; And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance. -Genesis 15: 13-14
Now the sojourning of the children of Israel, who dwelt in Egypt, was four hundred and thirty years. Exodus 12:40
The children of Israel were not afflicted in Egypt for 400 years according to the geneology of Levi. (see Exodus 6:13-26). It was 430 years from the time Abraham first began his sojourn in Canaan until the exodus. But the promise was that Abraham's seed would be afflicted 400 years.
For I know that after my death ye will utterly corrupt yourselves, and turn aside from the way which I commanded you; and 'evil will befall you in the latter days; because you will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the works of your hands. -Deuteronomy 31:29
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ (a descendant of Judah). And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after (the promise to Abraham), cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. Galatians 3:16-18
No other people in the history of the world have been strangers in a land that is not theirs and afflicted for 400 years except the "Negro" in America. They are certainly descendants of the tribe of Judah and the true heirs of the promise.
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people (a stranger in a land not theirs), that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities (that nation whom they shall serve will I judge). -Revelation 18: 4-5
It is not BS, it is a promise - Selah
