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[edit] Dravidian and Cthulhu
Er... OK, I feel bad about reverting, since 24.1.20.169 seemed to be making some good contributions, but they also:
- Removed all references to "Dravidian", (without any explaination)
- Removed all references to "Cthulhu", (a disambiguation)
I was also a little concerned about possible POV, in the added statement "Its proud speakers have fiercely preserved its original form". I don't know what it's all about, but it seems a cause for concern.
func(talk) 15:59, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
[edit] page move
I moved Tulu to Tulu language to conform to the naming conventions for languages.--Chris Johnson 04:47, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Tulu popularity over Kannada
I should say, Tulu is not fighting with Kannada in Dakshina Kannada or anywhere else. Kannada was never forced upon Tulu at any point of time. The relationship of Tulu and Kannada are such that Tulu has remained untainted in these regions with Kannada enjoying the second language status. In fact, the Kannada identity in Mumbai and some of the other places owes it to Tulu people who started associatitons and schools in those places. Probably, many of the present generation Tuluvas in Mumbai may not be conversant in Kannada. But I wonder how long they can keep Tulu alive in its pure form just they have done in the coastal regions of Karnataka. So I suppose 'Tulu is more popular than Kannada' is meaningless.
Is it true that the Tuluvas - well, at least a reasonable proportion of them feel that they should cede away from the rest of Karnataka as a separate state? If so, how strong is this movement? I know that many Tuluvas do want to separate from Karnataka, though. But their demand, despite their far superior numbers is not anywhere near being as strong as that of the Kodavas of Kodagu/Coorg.
- Well, paradox of Karnataka more than linguistic minorities like Tuluvas, Konkanis and Kodavas it's Kannadigas who make the biggest noise about loosing their identity. Looks like Kannada is safer in the places where it's a minority.
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- I think the reason for that is that the Kannadigas are actually a kind of 'minor majority' in their own so-called state of Karnataka. Eg I know that Kerala has about 80% Malayalees, though at least 10% of the state possibily speaks Tamil and sizeable numbers of Tuluvas, Konkanis etc are also present. TN has over 80% Tamils despite a huge Telugu population, not to mention lots of Malayalees and others as well. In one of the 'Tulu liberation' sites/pages on the Net somebody mentioned that Karnataka has a less than 45% Kannada population; A 'Kodava liberation' page improved upon the figure to 35%. I am not sure if it is that low, but am quite sure that the figure would be safely below 70% anyway - part of the reason could be that it has obtained all the 'borderline' regions/districts like Tulunadu, Kodagu, and districts bordering TN, Maharashtra, Goa etc which should either be separate states or parts of the other states.
As a Tulu speaker, I find it difficult to imagine a separate Tulunadu (i.e. Tulu state). The region would then have to include Parashurama kshetre, which would encompass Kerala too which has a very large number of Tulu speakers. This is becuase the King of Kerala had invited Tulu Brahmins to be the head priests (archakas) of the innumerable temples in the region. For instance the Padmanabha Swamy temple in Trivandrum is run by Tulu Brahmins half the year and the other half by Namboodri Brahmins. On a side note the Kasaragod district is a Tulu Speaking Region and has been annexed by the Kerala govt. I do not know of any movements to reincorporate it into Karnataka.arjunb
- Oh, you are really a 'Tulu speaker', aren't you? Anyway, pray explain to me how the Govt of Kerala 'annexed' Kasargod District, when *ALL* borders of states in India were drawn by the Govt of INDIA (and NOT Kerala); Also please enlighten me on how Kasargod is a 'Tulu-speaking region' when it has OVER 70% people speaking PURE MALAYALAM as their mother-tongue, and the remaining <30% TOGETHER consists of Tuluvas, Konkanis, Gujaratis, Marathis, Hindustanis and of course Kannadigas who are immigrants to the region ......... Seems like you Kannadigas are following a policy of usurping everything you touch, much like the Chinese are trying to ...... Oh sorry I forgot that you are a Tuluva ..........
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Tulu is part of Dravidian language family. Perhaps, it branched earliest from Proto-South Dravidian-1, before Kannada and Tamil.
Manjunatha (19 Apr 2006) It is funny to note that just because in 19th century Britishers used kannada script to write tulu that tulu lost the script. And also it was a minor language in mysore kingdom they lost the script to kannada & while they make tall claim that it is such an old language. There are so many old kannada inscriptions available in that area that i wonder whether tulu ppl migrated from some where. But anyways i would prefer them to know as tulu kannadigas (rather than just tuluvas :)) as they ought to kannada as well while in karnataka.
- Lets get one thing clear:"Britishers used kannada script to write tulu" Is that really possible? since when did the arrogant British start writing in Tulu? or any other regional language? The switchover to Kannada script, in my humble opinion, probable took place in the post Independence period when Kannada was being taught in schools as a primary language. Probably the same reason why Konkanis in Karnataka use Kannada script -Deepak D'Souza 11:17, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
- The point that Tulu people may have migrated from elsewhere may be true, considering that Tuluvas once ruled over the Vijayanagar Empire in North Karnatka -Deepak D'Souza 11:17, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Retroflexes
The bit about the Hindu dialect and retroflexes is wrong - retroflex consonants are a characteristic feature of Dravidian languages and were almost certainly borrowed into Sanskrit. --Grammatical error 19:13, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] comparison
Would adding the Malayalam for comparison's sake to the list of selected phrases be justifiable? Also, the transliterations given there need to be checked and formalised by a Tulu speaker using a romanisation standard such as the National Library at Calcutta romanization.--Grammatical error 20:51, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] What is Hindu dialect?
I think even people speaking common dialect are also Hindus.
Manjunatha (4 Jun 2006)
[edit] Tulu and Kannada
This discussion is opened for establishing the inter dependency of the two languages.When u see a sentence like "Oorad nanjaande paraak badkodu" ooru nanju para baduku odu - all these words are common to both languages and its been long tradition that udupi and tulu speakers have been bilingual in kannada than in malayalam. Notable tulu poets like Ratnakaravarni have embraced kannada. Yakshagana started in udupi is most played in kannada. Culture and customs of tuluvas and kannadigas doesn't show a vast difference. It should be noted that kannada is composite involving people of tuLu, konkaNi, kodava, havyaka, sanketi, bRuhaccaraNa languages. Hence they are all called kannadigas the word should not be misinterpreted. Its like HIndi which encompasses maithili,pahaadi,kadi boli etc. Hence I have reverted back the deleted sections.
- I disagree, a language may be shared by multiple ethnic groups which live together but that does not necessarily conjoin those ethnic groups. That would be like saying that Kanadigas staying in Mumbai are Marathis. - Deepak D'Souza 11:24, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
- I dont see how Konkani can have influenced Kannada given that Konkani si spoken in small pockets along the west coast.However the reverse is true, as the dialect spoken by Konkanis in Canara region show many Kannada words, as well as heavy accents (and lack of nasal tone) not found in Goa.
- Deepak D'Souza 11:24, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
