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[edit] Welcome to Wikipedia!

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[edit] Rajnikanth

Hi! I saw you converting Marathi to Devanagari (before Indic scripts) at articles like Rajnikanth. Though I support this, I'd like to bring to your notice that there is some controversy regarding this and few editors won't like it (eg. have a look at [1]). So, please avoid doing this for some time. You are welcome to initiate any discussions regarding this at Wikipedia talk:Notice board for India-related topics. Thanks. utcursch | talk 04:08, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bangla

Hi, I noticed your question at SameerKhan's page. First, the Bangla text looks small if you have only the Vrinda font that comes with Windows XP. There are a lot of other good quality unicode fonts, which you should install, and change the font option in your browser to use those for Bnagla text. This is a page that has a lot of Bangla fonts.

The pronunciation is markedly different from Hindi. For example, অ = O, not aa like Hindi. An example would be "Jana Gana Mana" জন গণ মন, which in Bangla would be pronounced as Jono Gono Mono, rather than Jana Gana Mana. Another example is Laxmi ... written as লক্ষ্মী in Bangla, which is also pronounced as Lokkhi in Bangla, rather than the Laxmi in Hindi.

I don't know about the Book or the CD.

Good luck. --Ragib 22:25, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Learning Bengali

Answered on my talk page. --SameerKhan 05:20, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bollywood articles

Namaste Tuncrypt. I hope you are doing well. I noticed on a few Bollywood articles that you replaced "translation" with the English template. I really appreciate your efforts! However, I think using "translation" is more accurate because the name itself is in Hindi/Urdu, not English. For example, कोई मिल गया and کوئ مل گ are transliterations of Koī... Mil Gayā, while [I've] Found Someone is a translation. The purpose of the english there is to translate the Roman Urdu script for English speakers. Basawala and I discussed the situation here: talk- hindi movies. Please let me know how you feel about this. Thanks a lot for your understanding! With regards, Anupam^Talk 20:39, 15 October 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Re:Savarkar pic

Hi - why did you remove a picture of Savarkar from the article? Are there any issues with it? Rama's arrow 18:32, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I reverted to an earlier edit I made which I thought was better (regarding script) and it seems I didn't notice your addition in between. Sorry Tuncrypt 18:41, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Etymology of Hindi

Tuncrypt, I object to your revision of the etymology of Hindi for two reasons.

If you are going to discuss the morphology of the term "Hindi", it should be done accurately and completely.
The phrase Hindi translates as Indian" is misleading. "Hindi" does not 'translate' simply as "Indian". If we're going to split hairs, then the Persian term "Hind" and its adjectival derivative "Hindi" refer specifically to the region around the Indus River.

I'm not going to revert your changes back to mine, yet, because we'll probably just end up going in circles. Let's figure out a way to resolve this.

Sarayuparin 06:00, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Hind is a Persian corruption of Sindh, which it did originally refer to, but it later took to mean northern India, and then even later on, all of India. With Hind meaning India, Hindi means Indian. I can give two references: page 1071 of the Oxford Hindi-English Dictionary (RS McGregor) and somewhere in the explanatory beginning pages of Teach Yourself Hindi Dictionary (Rupert Snell).

I can understand that an Indian would be perplexed, opposed to this. India is a vast country, a conglomeration of provinces that could just as well be nations on their own. There are many languages, much diversity, and to say Hindi is the "Indian" language is an insult to that. And even what's more, as we known, is that in modern usage, Hindi taken to mean Indian is obsolete; instead we have hindustani and bharatiya (though the arabs and possibly the persians still use it that way).

However this does not change historical and etymological fact. It does to change the fact that muslim conquerors, upon observing this northern-central language (or dialect continuum) which was widely spoken and in whose region they would build their empires, named it "Indian". Hindi means Indian. Tuncrypt 13:12, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Muhammad Iqbal

With respect, why is the Hindi irrelevant for an Indian Muslim poet? savidan^{(talk) (e@)} 22:18, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

he didn't speak it, he didn't write it, he had nothing to do with it. Tuncrypt 01:59, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Please do not make personal attacks or incivil remarks through edit summaries. Your recent conduct on Muhammad Iqbal violates WP:NPA, WP:CIVIL, WP:POINT and is close to violating WP:3RR. Rama's arrow 13:09, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ankur (film): Dakhani or Deccani?

Hi, Tuncrypt! Thank you for being one of the few Wikipedians willing to edit Ankur (film) (!). I just wanted to settle on a final decision regarding the spelling of Dakhani/Deccani.

I originally changed "Deccani" back to "Dakhani" because "Dakhani" is the term used in the rest of the article. I think it's best to keep one spelling throughout the article. So, I would recommend either changing it back to "Dakhani" or (perhaps) listing the language as "Dakhani/Deccani" (or something like that).

Otherwise, if you want, you can change all instances of "Dakhani" in the article to "Deccani." Just make sure to keep the links intact, as you did in your last edit. And finally, if you would be so kind: please leave a reply on my talk page. Thank you so much! --Kuaichik 08:14, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I think I'll change it back to "Dakhani" until I get your reply. --Kuaichik 01:58, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lal_Krishna_Advani

Hello dear, i think he was born in Hyderabad not in Karachi.but i am looking for source ,as soon as i find it i will write it,and i have written his name in Sindhi that is written (in Perso-Arabic script). Khalidkhoso 21:11, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Children of Men edits

Please discuss your edits in the talk area before making them, especially when what you remove is cited information. Judging from your user page, sanskrit might be familiar territory for you. Allow me to ask a question: does the word "shantih" mean the same thing in every variation/branch of sanskrit? In Hindi, it means peace. If so, then perhaps it bears mentioning. If not, then perhaps the statement in the article should maybe stay the same. The edit you made purged the referential material connecting TS Eliot's epic poem, The Wasteland and the use of the same word at the end of CoM.Arcayne 05:58, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Shanti means peace in Hindi. In Gujarati. In Bengali. In Malayalam. In Punjabi. In Marathi... etc etc... probably even in Indonesian and Malaysian too. Now do you understand why I label it a Sanskrit word? Because it is!

Also, I took out the bit about The Wasteland because, who cares? That's just one of the million times it has been used. Though I can understand if someone says that it's the first and most notable usage of it in English writing. So, telling you this, it's up to you whether to remove it or not. Tuncrypt 14:06, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, it's good to know tht little bit of info, which is why I altered the statement to refer to its Sanskit origins, and not just Hindi. As for the Wasteland citations, I think that referring them to discussion before purging seems a reasonable suggestion, if for no other reason than someone took the time to search out the citations. And while you may - with your familiarity of its presence in other Sanskrit-based languages - used to seeing the word Shantih in books, including TS Eliot's poetry, not a great many westerners are. The comparisons between Wastelands and CoM and the presence at the end of each work with the prayer for peace seem relevent to me.Arcayne 20:37, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Summaries

Hello. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary. Thanks, and happy editing.

--Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:55, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Brahmi.PNG

Thanks for uploading Image:Brahmi.PNG. I notice the 'image' page specifies that the image is being used under fair use, but its use in Wikipedia articles fails our first fair use criterion in that it illustrates a subject for which a freely licensed image could reasonably be found or created that provides substantially the same information. If you believe this image is not replaceable, please:

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[edit] Population figures in lakhs

Hello. I noticed that you removed the population figure in lakhs two times from the Ahmedabad article. Lakh is the most popular and accepted figure in India. India does not adopt a million and billion system, but instead uses lakhs and crores. See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Indian_cities#Basic_India_conventions. - Aksi_great (talk) 11:14, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Summaries

When editing an article on Wikipedia there is a small field labeled "Edit summary" under the main edit-box. It looks like this:

The text written here will appear on the Recent changes page, in the page revision history, on the diff page, and in the watchlists of users who are watching that article. See m:Help:Edit summary for full information on this feature.

Filling in the edit summary field greatly helps your fellow contributors in understanding what you changed, so please always fill in the edit summary field, especially for big edits or when you are making subtle but important changes, like changing dates or numbers. Thank you. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 12:16, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

ok baby Tuncrypt 16:49, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Summaries

Please avoid using abusive edit summaries as per Wikipedia:Civility and Wikipedia:No personal attacks. Thank you. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 13:32, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

yo chill i'm not abusing anybody Tuncrypt 18:35, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

The handful of edit summaries that you've given so far have all benn unhelpful at best, and on "dun like da injun inglish grammah" is, to the extent that it can be understood, uncivil. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 22:09, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sheikhan

Turncrypt please do not revert the Gurmukhi sections from this page , would really appreciate your cooperation . Cheers Intothefire 13:40, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gujarati people

The edits were not explained — but as you yourself consistently refuse to do other editors the courtesy of explaining your edits in summaries, as requested by Wikipedia guidelines, I understand why you don't understand that point. I also suggest that you read WP:CITE; if the line is true, then the anon editor should have no difficulty providing a source. Or, if you feel so strongly about it, perhaps you could find one? --Mel Etitis (Talk) 10:20, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

"this banner has been on long enough that it doesn't apply" -is that not an explanation? The "rewrite" banner has been there for many months now such that saying it "recently underwent a major revision or rewrite" doesn't apply anymore, in which case it is to be removed. "this should be at the top of the page" -the "unsourced" banner was moved to the top of the page, where it is always found everywhere else in Wikipedia. What more goddamn explanation do you need? As for the added line being unsourced, that is not grounds for removal in this case, because the whole article unsourced. With that logic you should remove everything from the entire page. At this point, anything worth being added can be added, with the benefit of the "unsourced" disclaimer being there, warning potential readers that what is there could be false, but that work is being done on that regardless. Tuncrypt 15:57, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

First, I suggest that you read WP:CIVIL and moderate your tone. Secondly, the article still needs review (badly), so the template is still relevant. Secondly, the {{unreferenced}} template page states: "There is currently no consensus about where to place this template; most suggest either the bottom of the article page (in an empty 'References' section), or on the article's talk page." Thirdly, I am not responsible for checking everything that was in the article before I came across it; saying that, because other parts of the article are unsourced, you can add anything you like, is not acceptable. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 17:08, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Summaries (again)

When editing an article on Wikipedia there is a small field labeled "Edit summary" under the main edit-box. It looks like this:

Stop bothering me with this. I put summaries when needed, otherwise the edits are self-explanatory. Tuncrypt 20:48, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Edits are only "self-explanatory" when they're looked at; the edit summary is to let people know what you've been doing without having to go to the diff. That's part of the reason that they're requested for all edits — as a courtesy to other editors. Don't be surprised if your edits are reverted more often than those of people who do have the courtesy to use summaries. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 21:36, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

While you do have a point, I fail to take you seriously, when for the four times you've repeated this to me, you have not at all told me where and when I did not provide a summary, and what kind of summary I should have provided; when the page on which I made the so-called violations is one you lord over with no knowledge of the subject matter, to which you have made no contribution, doing nothing but reverting literally every single edit made to it. It seems quite clear from this that your upholding of the need for edit summaries stems not from the "spirit" of it, where summaries are made for a purpose (and similarly not made when there would be no purpose), but from an incessant following of a rule because it's a rule, because of the "letter" of it, to whose adherence by others you simply expect unto yourself (despite, by the lack of your qualifications in the case of "Gujarati people", it really making no difference to you).

So you saying, "the edit summary is to let people know what you've been doing without having to go to the diff. [...] Don't be surprised if your edits are reverted more often than those of people who do have the courtesy to use summaries" is really quite disingenuous. It should read, "The edit summary is something I want you to make. [...] Don't be surprised if I revert your edits more often than those of people who do make summaries." Tuncrypt 20:12, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia guidelines ask you to use the edit summary; the template that I used is a standard one, not created by me. The same applies to policies and guidelines such as WP:CITE and WP:CIVIL. Your behaviour here is poor, you response to advice and criticism particularly so. If you can't or won't understand what it is to edit here, with other people rather than pitted against them, you'll find it an unpleasant and frustrating experience. If you're prepared to learn, and to edit reasonably and responsibly, in line with our policies and guidelines, then you'll find it rewarding and enjoyable. It's entirely up to you, of course. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 22:05, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reference

I edited it as I did because it was very unclear. Do I take it that "Gujarati" is the name of the entry? If so, it needs to be in inverted commas. The page number should be marked as such using "p." (I see that you had "pp", which means "pages".) --Mel Etitis (Talk) 21:40, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Welcome to Wikipedia!

[edit] Rajnikanth

[edit] Bangla

[edit] Learning Bengali

[edit] Bollywood articles

[edit] Re:Savarkar pic

[edit] Etymology of Hindi

[edit] Muhammad Iqbal

[edit] Ankur (film): Dakhani or Deccani?

[edit] Lal_Krishna_Advani

[edit] Children of Men edits

[edit] Summaries

[edit] Image:Brahmi.PNG

[edit] Population figures in lakhs

[edit] Summaries

[edit] Summaries

[edit] Sheikhan

[edit] Gujarati people

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