Talk:UK Singles Chart
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[edit] Plagiarism
Pretty much this entire page is lifted from Answers.com Here:
http://www.answers.com/topic/uk-singles-chart
Nice piece of theft. At least it's probably one page on Wikipedia that's actually sourced and accurate. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.162.24.169 (talk • contribs) 13:17, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
- Answers.com#Parsing_method – ipso 13:19, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
- Answers.com copies from Wikipedia, not the other way round. MFlet1 22:00, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Erm...
For the US billboard charts, you can look artists up on the official website to see their chart history. I was just wondering if such a thing was available for the UK charts? If there is, I sure couldn't find it. : P
I'd like to add something about the forthcoming launch of the official UK download chart...
- Go for it. Bonalaw 08:44, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Things to add to the article:
- Controversy, e.g. Chart hyping, "Danger Games" affair, Roger Cook silliness, Deee-Lite/Steve Miller tie, "God Save The Queen"
- changes in chart rules over the years
Bonalaw 15:00, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- Thank you to the authors for this entry. But :) yes, I'd put the hyping / Roger Cook in - there's no proper indication that for many years only a small and known to the industry subset of shops were used for the sales figures = they got all the freebies and other promotions. The middle of the history section isn't particularly well written either. Again, though, thanks. Lovingboth 15:16, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
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- There's a lot of good info in this entry but it's arranged somewhat haphazardly at the moment. Also I note that the Number One Quirks section is quite obviously paraphrased from www.everyhit.com - it's not actually a copyvio but it's very obviously taken from a well-known online source.
One more thing while I'm typing - I've been reading a book published in 1977, "The Pop Industry Inside Out", and it has a chapter on how the charts were compiled at that time. It turns out that even that late in the day, the official Top 50 was still being compiled on a points system rather than actual sales. Next time I remember to have the book and my computer in the same building, I'll get a proper reference for that. (Oh yes, and speaking of such things, we could use some references on this article too.) --Bonalaw 07:51, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
I have tried to do my best to add the controversy section under Number One Quirks. I don't know whether you want to change the article section title and possibly change the article quality, as it is probably not as good as the rest. Ultimate Star Wars Freak 21:16, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Recent History
I was surprised to see that the history section ends in the 1980s. I'm not an expert on the UK singles chart, but it seems to me that one of the most substantial changes in its history came in the mid-1990s. It was then that record labels began sending promotional singles out to radio to get airplay long before releasing them commercially.
The result is that singles now tended to deubt in their peak position and only decline after that. Before the mid-90s, it was common for a single to debut low in the top 40, climb for several weeks, hit its peak, and then descend down the chart. Now, a single almost never climbs above the position it debuts at. It is rare for a single to climb at all, and singles tend to spend less time on the chart now. Singles are also selling in significantly smaller quantities than they were a decade ago.
I think that all this should probably be included in the chart history section. Any thoughts?
Acegikmo1 17:25, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- That's touched on in the "Charts and the music industry" section, but could use a bit of expansion. I think Take That were the act who really pushed back the boundaries on pre-promotion, with some considerable success. -- Bonalaw 15:05, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Copyright?
What about the WIPO Copyright Treaty, it covers databases, does that include the charts? Edward 10:55, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Are we really going to have the opening paragraph updated every time there's a new number one? It just seems a bit silly, somehow. Bonalaw 19:27, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Do not include current number 1
I removed the current number 1 and added a link to the bbc. unless somebody wants to update this page every week, this is the easyest and most convinient way of adding this info.
comments?
- Agreed. Looks like someone readded it, though, so I've been bold and re-removed it. BillyH 8 July 2005 19:01 (UTC)
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- Yeah agreed too but someone has added it yet again so i;ve re-removed it Jenny Wong 22:08, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
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- Just for the purposes of comparison, the article on the Billboard Hot 100, the major singles chart in the USA, lists the number 1 single as well as providing a link to the official Billboard website, and as far as I'm aware, there's been no problems with updating the page each week. Certainly there have been no objections raised on the article's talk page. I think the weekly number 1 should be here, especially since there is no discreet article dealing with "Number 1 hits on the UK chart for (year)..." instead, that information is buried halfway through the "(year) in British music" pages. Again, for comparison purposes, the Billboard articles provide very clear and easy-to-understand articles dedicated to the list of the number 1 hits, week-by-week, for every year of the chart's existence. I haven't found this level of clarity in the UK chart articles.Phil500 07:38, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Longest time?
Does anyone know what is the longest time a single has remained at No. 1 spot for? AFAIK it's not in the article. --Mark J 19:33, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
- It's in UK Singles Chart records. BillyH 19:43, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Actual physical singles sales chart
Is there still a chart which just includes actual physical singles sales and not downloads? And where can I get it if there is? --Bonalaw
- I'm not aware that there is, though the Charts Plus magazine might include it. Alternatively, if you want the info, you could get it (though in a fairly tedious manner) by looking at the difference in sales between the overall and the download charts. Robdurbar 10:29, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Link to Record chart ?
I Think the article could do with a brief introductory sentence about record charts in general --BjKa 09:25, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
There is a great deal of misinformation in this article, and also stuff that needs to be added. For example, the British Market Resreach Bureau did not always use only 500 stores for the chart return. The 'diary' system was made up of 750 shops from which the BMRB took 250 per week to compile the Top 40. I know this because I worked in a store that did the chart return for BMRB between 1978 and the end of 1982, when the contract was awarded to Gallup.
The hyping scandal of the late 70s needs to be included properly. For example, WEA and the artists 'B A Robertson', 'Pretenders', Cats UK...the list goes on and on. But they were all alledgedly hyped into the Top 40 in the first instance. The situation so engulfed WEA that Johnny Fruin at WEA was fired. Of course B A Robertson name checked Johnnyin his 79 hit 'Bang Bang'.
[edit] Update
This needs massive updating, as the workings of the chart are undergoing massive changes. However, I trust Wikipedia to implement any changes with rapidity and class. --Montchav 17:58, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
