Talk:Valeyard
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A sweep needs to be done of this article. As much as the information is useful, as it is, it's mostly a synopsis of Trial of a Time Lord when it really needs to be reduced to information relevant to the Valeyard. Some of the information can be moved/merged with the other Trial articles and excised from this so as to leave only items that pertain directly to the subject at hand. Also, as this is a character article and not a story synopsis, it should be in the past tense. I'll do just that later in my day when I get the chance. --khaosworks 14:18, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Ok I have changed it to the past tense. I did try to stick to details which directly concern the character of the Valeyard, but some details of the story I found necessary to include so that the whole thing makes sense. There are certainly many aspects of the four serials which I did not include (for example Queen Katya). --TimPope 16:51, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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- I'm not saying it's all irrelevant, just that I think some of it can be condensed and we can leave it up to the individual serials for more information. I'm not knocking the work you've done - it's all good - just that for a character study it needs to be tighter. --khaosworks 20:31, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I'd like to see, in the Doctor who breakout box, a reference to some of the quasi doctors. The Valleyard is a perfect example - we reference the Cushing Doctor, but neither the Watcher nor the Valleyard.Jahenderson 8:47 EST 8 March 06
- It's a good point, but I guess ultimately it's also a measure of notability as well as whether they are recognisable as the Doctor - the Watcher being this mysterious figure that only Nyssa said was the Doctor (how does she know?) and the Valeyard only revealed in the end as an evil "potential" incarnation. The others are incontrovertibly (in thet context) the Doctor. That and the fact that the Watcher doesn't really deserve his own article and that by identifying the Valeyard in the breakout box we're spoilering The Ultimate Foe... --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 02:19, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Pronounciation
Actually, it's pronounced with 3 syllables, as in Valley-ard. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 13:48, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Just what the Valeyard is
This is something the novels seem to avoid covering. Is the Valeyard a renegade future incarnation (as he appears to have originally been planned and seems to be in Eric Saward's unused script for the last Trial episode), an interim projection, a separated off part of the Doctor (as the dialogue about wanting to be free of the Doctor suggests) or even a darker version created by accident (as was planned in early drafts of State of Change)? Timrollpickering 23:58, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
