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[edit] Biotelemetry - Biotactic

Hi, Biotactic.com is a very focused biotelemetry science service. It has a wealth of information on its website about biotelemetry, techniques, projects etc. and also discusses their LIVE BRAVO biotelemtry monitoring network. They are very highly respected in this field and have published dozens of papers on ths subject. Thus I thought they should be mentioned in the Biotelemetry page of wikipedia.

Will add it back in as a link. Will you reconsider this?

Regards, Brett

Well, links to commercial sites are generally cautioned against by the external link guidelines. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 16:57, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adding external link for reference

Hi Veinor, Under external links i'v added a useful link where people can do their job search. It has been repeatedly been removed. This is not a commercial site, there are no ads running on it what so ever. Yet you have sites listed there which are fully commercial, like Dubai Rental Cars and others, would you please take a look at the link added and consider it for inclusion. www.DubaiJobsNetwork.com

Thanks, —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.210.33.98 (talk) 23:31, 26 March 2007 (UTC).

You were adding this link to the United Arab Emirates page; which isn't just about Dubai. Besides, how does that link even give more information about Dubai? And the addition of other links generally is irrelevant to another one; each link should stand or fall on its own merit. Note, however, that as more links are added, the guidelines become tighter. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 12:42, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Change in Template:DRV top

Just a heads-up that I made a small change in the {{DRV top}} (or {{drt}}) template: the level 4 header, with a (closed) marker, is now part of the template. So any discussion can now be closed by simply replacing the four equal signs on each side of the title into the the template text:

 ====[[Title]]====

is changed to

 {{subst:drt|[[Title]]|Decision}}

which turns into

[edit] Title (closed)

Title – Decision – trialsanderrors 08:38, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the article above. Please do not modify it.
Title (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) DISCUSSION
The above is an archived debate of the deletion review of the article above. Please do not modify it.

Hope that makes closures a bit easier. Comments and questions please here. Take care, trialsanderrors 08:43, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Ah. Thanks for letting me know. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 12:36, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Gamemecca Wikipedia Entry

I spent a number of days gathering the knowlege of the various clans and their origins. I realize the topic does not exactly seem to be "encyclopedia grade" material, but it is of great importance to the 2000+ members of Gamemecca. Most of which know little or nothing about the site and the clans. I ask you to please undo the removal of 2/3 of the entry I spent a great deal of time compiling please.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by CagedAnger (talk • contribs) 15:33, 27 March 2007 (UTC).

Well... Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. The article is not just intended for the Gamemecca members, but for the entire world. The amount of work it takes to do something has nothing to do with whether it should be included. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 15:36, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

This page is in no way being discriminate about who views this, nor is intended solely of members of Gamemecca. Gamemecca is a well known website related to the video game Serious Sam and has a longstanding history that deserves to be known. Caged 15:59, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I was referring to your comment about how "it is of great importance to the 2000+ members of Gamemecca". I really don't think that it's encyclopedic information, due to verifiability concerns; all information should be cited to reliable, third-party sources. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 16:03, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

"Internet guides. Wikipedia articles should not exist only to describe the nature, appearance or services a website offers, but should describe the site in an encyclopedic manner, offering detail on a website's achievements, impact or historical significance, which can be significantly more up-to-date than most reference sources since we can incorporate new developments and facts as they are made known. See current events for examples."
I clearly gave the history and significance of the site and its member clans. Naturally I couldn't find everything about them and am encouraging the other members to contribute. The page hasn't even been online for a full day and it is already being threatened to be pulled. Please, give it some time to grow and gather more resources.

The Article for Deletion process takes five days; the only time the debates are closed sooner is in really obvious cases (such as if somebody put Earth up for deletion), so you should be able to find something, if it exists. The history and significance of the site is not what I removed (I don't think I did, anyway), just the information about the clans. It totally lacked good references, and seemed to me to be quite cruft-like. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 16:12, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AIV report

I had about 4 edit conflicts amending that automated report. Should make sense now. --Dweller 15:56, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 207.177.69.18 is blocked

Hi! According to the block log you've blocked User:207.177.69.18, but User_talk:207.177.69.18 hasn't been updated. I doubt this is something for me to be bold about fixing. Mark Hurd 16:49, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Everyclick

Hi,

I recently wrote an article on everyclick as a search engine, and it was removed. i am not here to argue wether it should be reinstated, but i just wanter to clarify for future reference. I added the site as it doesn't contain any advertismants i have come across and i thought that as google has a pade about it, then a similar search engine would be ok. can you explain the problem in this please?

Thanks

Lj

Jimbo-lj 20:17, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Simply put, the article was blatant advertising for Everyclick ("just imagine how your selected charity could benefit if you and your friends all used everyclick.com to support them whenever you searched the web" is definitely not an encyclopedic tone), and half of the content was taken directly from the website (which violates copyright). Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 20:20, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion without consensus

Why did you delete Enemy of Islam when consensus was not reached? I am sure you are aware of WP:NOT#DEMOCRACY. Furthermore I find your reason for deletion quite amusing. You state "The result was delete" without elaboration. Are you aware that you are supposed to give a "Reason for deletion" see WP:DPR and WP:DGFA. Arguments were made to keep the article yet they were not addressed. Also, the arguments for deletion were not sustained (i.e. the term being a neologism). Note: "The debate is not a vote; please make recommendations on the course of action to be taken, sustained by arguments." Please read [1] and restore the article. The article must be restored since consensus was not reached. Agha Nader 20:50, 27 March 2007 (UTC)Agha Nader

Consensus seems pretty clear to me; the arguments for deletion were of a higher quality than those for keeping. The argument that I found best was "Not a 'special' term deserving of its own article. Someone can be an enemy of America, enemy of Christianity, enemy of whatever...", by User:The Behnam. I failed to see why the phrase "enemy of Islam" carries special significance. And I am quite aware of how to undelete a page, thank you very much. If you want to contest my closure, you can do so on deletion review. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 20:56, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tiresome Spam

Is there any way to get the Spam links for "antonkisieldesigns.com" that keep popping up automatically blocked? Today's attacks came from 70.105.243.62 but the IP keeps changing. It's annoying to think this person is getting some reward for constantly posting his unrelated web site anonymously. Thanks for any info. Quenn 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Should be on Shadowbot's blacklist now; it should start reverting that link on sight. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 02:30, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sortprice

I apologize for having that site removed. I am new to totally new to this whole scene. I didn't realize without a username it would be updated and the rules enforced

Please reconsider we are on your side.

2, 28 March 2007 Veinor (Talk | contribs) deleted (G11; blatant spam.)

Well, the article was spam. It needs to be rewritten in a more neutral tone. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 03:35, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I am doing a class project and need to create an article on a shopping related website...trying to get the hang of Wikipedia and its features, thanks for your help.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sortpriceinc (talk • contribs).

Then I have to ask... what's with the username? Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 04:21, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

i thought it needs to be realted to the article—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sortpriceinc (talk • contribs).

Nope; in fact, usernames that are names of companies go against the username policy. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 04:28, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

oh.. how do i delete my username?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sortpriceinc (talk • contribs) 04:30, 28 March 2007.

Hi Veinor. They eventually ended up on WP:AIV. I wrote a (hopefully sympathetic) message to their talk page and added an indefblock with account creation enabled. I also left {{usernameblock}} so they'll know what to do. I feel bad about blocking them but it does fail WP:U and I believe they were acting in good faith - Alison^☺ 04:44, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 169.226.84.71

Why not indef? Only vandalized while trying to disguise as "fix." The Behnam 03:47, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Because it's most likely a shared IP, and IPs are never indef blocked period. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 03:48, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy Deletion of my article David C Skul

Why can an article like this be valid Matt Cutts but not the one I wrote on David Skul? He is just as important to many members of the internet world as Matt Cutts is. Why was this article deleted?

Because the article was essentially "Look at this man and how great he is!" Articles need to be written in a neutral tone and prove notability using reliable sources; otherwise, they will probably be deleted, either by speedy deletion (as I did) or the full Articles for Deletion process. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 16:02, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I was goign to add more to it over the next few days but it got erased the minute after I saved it. He is a pretty great guy and I have lots of references to back it up. How do I add an articel an not have it erased before I am done?

I'd suggest editing User:Ipbanned4ever/David C Skull instead, then, let me know when you think you're ready and I'll check it over and move it back into mainspace if I agree. Note that I'm not any sort of official guardian or anything; I'm just trying to make sure you don't get burned again. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 00:05, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the help but you spelled the guy's name wrong. It is SKUL not SKULL.

[edit] Willren (talk • contribs)

Hi Veinor, since you are the other user who has interacted with this account, I figured that I'd come to you. I'm beginning to think that we should indef the account, since they have refused to be compliant repeatedly. They have no real intention of editing the encyclopedia, only to post love letters. Most recently, they blanked your warning. Should we give another warning, or just end it now? The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 20:48, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I think that shared accounts are actually forbidden, so they could always be blocked under that. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 20:54, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Do you want to just do it now? I'm not an administrator, so I don't have that power. The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 21:03, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

The user page was deleted and salted per an MfD discussion. RJASE1 ^Talk 16:06, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] dquiring (talk • contribs)

Mr. Veinor. You left me a note about spam on my contribution to Henderson, Nebraska. I'm sure I didn't place any spam on that site. Perhaps my login is being spoofed? If you view the links to the two founding churches of the community as spam then I guess it's spam. Unfortunately the descendants of the 35 German-Russian Mennonite families who founded the community would disagree. Have a great power trip.

Let's see. Is the article about churches in Henderson, Nebraska? No. Is it about either of those churches? No. It's about the entire city. The links' subjects symmetrical with respect to the subject of the article (there are many churches in the city), so the external link guidelines caution against adding them. And I ask you to remain WP:CIVIL. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 01:50, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I've removed the remaining community links that I published as you've requested. (03/29-07 1113 hours CDT)

[edit] Ellipse

I added a few external links to the ellipse definition, which you removed. This stuff cannot go in the content of wikipedia because it is in Java which is against the rules. However, many teachers and students find it useful. It's a free site with no commercial interest. Where's the harm? John.d.page 03:33, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Bleh; I removed, then re-added, then removed. I think that having 10 different links to the same page is silly, but just one is fine. I was distracted by something else; I really need to pay attention more. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 03:33, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

They are not all to the same page. Each page is quite different. So you OK with it going back? They really are useful, relevant pages.

Wikipedia is not a collection of external links; excessive links can dilute the purpose of them by confusing the reader. Linking to many pages on one site rarely is substantially better than one link to one page on that site. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 03:54, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

OK. I can make it work that way. Later.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by John.d.page (talk • contribs) 04:01, 29 March 2007 (UTC).

There. I collected them into one page and placed a single link to it. You were right, it's better.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by John.d.page (talk • contribs) 16:04, 29 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Homebrew

What is wrong with adding a Wiki to an entry? homebrewtalk.com/wiki is THE source for home brewing information using Mediawiki. Why is it not an acceptable link?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.119.6.92 (talk • contribs) 21:24, 29 March 2007 (UTC).

Well, the external link guidelines caution against linking to any wiki that's too new or doesn't have enough contributors to give a sense of reliability. That one certainly seems to fit the definition, with the vast majority of recent contributions being made by 2-3 editors. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 22:18, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Not much information? Try taking a look again. www.homebrewtalk.com/wiki/ It's loaded with information and just recently it's been the SYSOPS adding information. Look before them, lots of members contributed. Are you familiar with how non-Wikipedia Wiki's work? First a bunch contribute then it weeds out to just a few. I urge you to rethink it and add the link back. Having that link on the Wiki home brewing page will get more users from Wiki there to add information. Your preventing it from growing. Your logic doesn't make sense.

Are you familiar with the external link guidelines? I don't think that a wiki where the majority of the contributors stop contributing can be terribly reliable. And, while I am aware that the lack of links to other wikis does prevent them from growing, this is not what Wikipedia is for; it is not a crystal ball. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 03:37, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Baptist women in ministry

What do you think was the consensus on this page? I sort of thought it was a "delete" decision, but remove the little bit of information that didn't relate to the organization and put it in the other article. Do you agree? I'm not sure what to do about it. --Strangerer (Talk) 22:13, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

It's definitely a merge... but I'm not sure if Anabaptist is the proper place. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 22:16, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I probably should have reverted

Sorry, I thought about reverting last night's contrib by another user but figured you might want to directly see it and could probably handle it better. Morenooso 13:26, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WTF?

u tellin me how to talk? u know wat since its the internet i aint gonna start nothin wit ya... so i will try to ease up on tha ebonics like i did now even though thats how i talk in real life Pretty Ricky aint breakin up yall! yay!! Tam` Tam` =] 14:56, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Do you talk like that by choice or because you were raised that way? People will tend to be more forgiving of you if it's the latter. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 14:58, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

i was raised dis way =] Pretty Ricky aint breakin up yall! yay!! Tam` Tam` =] 15:09, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Ah. Well, if you keep trying, then that should help you type in a more understandable way. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 15:10, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

kk =] Pretty Ricky aint breakin up yall! yay!! Tam` Tam` =] 15:21, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Finnish Sauce

I new here and my english skill is not so good but you were angry at my posting about the Finnish SAuce, I realise now I am wrong, you see I see an advertisement on the television for the Finnish sauce in Australia (a small european country underneath asia), I was very proud, I check the internets and I add to the Finland article because I was very proud of Finland sauce international popularity. But my english friend insulted me because the advertisement was a joking only playing on the word Finishing sauce which has a meaning is different. I apologize with no reserve, please forgiveness.Aleksi Peltola 19:18, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

It's ok, I forgive you :-). I'm not angry at you at all; I very rarely get angry at people who I barely even know. I find it's pointless and counterproductive. From here, it just looked like you were advertising; I've seen people not read what the article is about before they spam, but I see that this isn't what's happened here. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 22:34, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] History Pages messed up; need your expertise

Hello Veinor-- About 14:33 28MAR2007, User:Pschelden did something that messed up the history page of Frank Stagg (theologian).

1. Apparently, User:Pschelden first moved Christian views about women into a blank Frank Stagg (theologian).
2. Realizing the error, the User:Pschelden seems to have started a new Christian views about women and cut-and-pasted the text from Frank Stagg (theologian) back into Christian views about women, leaving behind all of the Christian views about women History.

Is that about as clear as mud? Anyway, the text in both present articles is now correct. However, both HISTORY pages are incorrect:

• Christian views about women HISTORY contains only entries made since the Big Move on March 28.
• Frank Stagg (theologian) HISTORY contains all of Christian views about women's history from Day One up until the Big Move on March 28, PLUS history line items appropriate to Frank Stagg (theologian) since the Big Move.

Hope you will help getting correct Histories on both. With appreciation, Afaprof01 16:11, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

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