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Contents 1 Article too long 2 Poor wording 3 Uncertain 4 I want to add these pictures into main article 5 Most Popular? 6 Brendan Schulze? 7 Anime style? 8 *sigh* 9 Characters and Iusses 10 This SERIOUSLY needs to be cleaned up. 11 New: The Elyon special is added! Please don't remove! 12 Approval for addition of 'Italian comics' category 13 Endarno's identity 14 Note 6 15 Information box 16 WE 17 Move to W.I.T.C.H. 18 I'm doing some cleanup today 19 Spelling of Kandracar? 20 Will Vandom 21 Veil 22 W.I.T.C.H. category 23 Guardians of the Veil vs. Guardians of Candracar 24 Hay Lin Page 25 Star of Threbe 26 Phobos and Elyon 27 Criticism

[edit] Article too long

Can I suggest that this article be broken up into several articles, as it's getting quite long? There are already articles on the main characters, and I have been working on adding others (Elyon, Phobos). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Xtremesage (talk • contribs) 06:32, 28 August 2006 (UTC).

I've added it to Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics's task list under Condense. Hopefully that should help. Øřêōş 01:19, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Poor wording

From the article:

Japan decided to break this mold and create an authentic manga based on the comic, which was canceled after only two volumes.

A country decided it? It should be something like: "Japanese publisher [name here] decided...", or "Japanese manga artist [name here] decided..." Stormwatch 02:41, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Since no information on the publisher or author are given, I decided to simply point out that the comic wasn't published in Japan and that a manga was created. I also removed the original speculation for why it was cancelled as it was purely POV.--Tenka Muteki 04:36, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

The Japanese paperback issues clearly state that they are published by Kadokawa Shoten, made by Iida Haruko, covers by Daisuke Ehara and originally published in Gekkan Asuka from the same publisher. (218.228.195.44 06:24, 30 September 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Uncertain

The article portrays Luba as a male (because it says "he"). But isn't she a female? --Mithcoriel 12:20, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, actually....you're right. Luba is a female. --Oreos 10:06, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I want to add these pictures into main article

• Will as on comic
• Cornelia as on comic
• Taranee as on comic
• Irma and Hay Lin as on comic

(From http://ppgcom.gooside.com/diary/diary0409.html (Find 2004年9月21日 (火) ) )

• Simillarity in both Manga 1 2 3 and Comic 1 2 3.

(From http://ppgcom.gooside.com/diary/diary0501.html#050128 )

• W.I.T.C.H. together (as on comic)
• Irma, Taranee, Hay Lin

(From http://ppgcom.gooside.com/diary/diary0501.html#050110 )

--성혀니 10:59, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Sŏnghyŏni: Where would they fit? Do you mean as a comparison between Iida's and Gnone's versions of the comic? (Stefan2 06:39, 5 October 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Most Popular?

Does anyone have a link to verify this article's claim that this comic is "the most purchased in the world"? It mentions Brand Republic, but gives no link to the page backing up this claim. Until than, I've removed the reference, along with unneeded advertising.--Tenka Muteki 04:33, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

That claim was restored, with a footnote [6] that leads only to some technical argument about how to make comparisons...I am removing it again.

Bustter 19:44, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

It is the most bought comic in the world, though. According to the publisher: http://www.summitmedia.com.ph/magazines/witch.php it states it's the fourth best selling magazine. And magazines sell millions more copies than comic books per issue, especially the top magazines which can sell over 30 million issues per month, or so. Amibite 9/24/06

[edit] Brendan Schulze?

Um, where/when does Brendan appear? Is there any info on him on the internet? Thanks. Mayukhers112 17:51, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't think he appears/exists anywhere. I looked W.I.T.C.H. up on the I.N.D.U.C.K.S. database, and Brendan doesn't appear in the list of characters. That's why I removed him from the list; correct me if he does. Oreos 16:21, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anime style?

The Animated Series page says the comic is anime-influenced, but this page says the animated series is anime-style, I personally think that the animated series is more in Western style, except for the transformation scenes, but I'd rather have an expert who knows exactly what defines anime and western style drawing. Also I've never read the comics so I don't know if the animated series is more anime-influenced or less. So could someone clear up that point? Jztinfinity 17:19, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

--- The comic is done in traditional Disney style (which anime was influenced by, such as the famous Osamu Tezuka who is hailed as the Grandfather of manga) so that may be why people mistake the comic for it. The animated series, though, is animated in France and has a slight manga-ish look to it, although it's not too noticable. So in this case this page would be correct. Amibite 1:38 9 April]]

Correction: Tezuka was influenced by the style of Disney's original shorts and early films. "Traditional Disney style" pretty much changed each decade, to the point where none of their 1990's or 2000 films look each use drastically different styles. If anything, the W.I.T.C.H. comic looks closer to a Western take on Japanese style, in the way that The Big O looks like a "Japanese take on Western style". The animated series does look a little closer, however.--Tenka Muteki 05:06, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

To clarify. Everythign has gone round in a circle. The modern style of Anime (big heads and doe eyes and super deformed chibis) is largely due to the influence of early Disney (etc) cartoons that came into Japan after WWII. This then developed into the more distinctive form that everybody thinks of as Anime and Manga style today which, in turn, has recently been imported back into the US and modified slightly again.

As for "Anime style" whatever you want to call it, this franchise is very heavily influenced by Anime/Manga. It's not just the transformation sequences. The use of long panning shots, the fighting style of the characters (especially elemental mysticism behind their powers), and the heavy emphasis on the interpersonal relations between the characters and their existence outside of WITCH is all extremely Asian.

perfectblue 11:46, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] *sigh*

Okay. First of all, 'part 1 issues', 'part 2 issues', and 'part 3 issues' goes for the ORIGINAL issues, like the ones from Singapore, the Philippines, Italy, etc. and NOT the US. We have the 'US Book Titles' section for that. Whoever keeps reverting the edits to book titles, and not mag titles, really should stop. Thanks. --Oreos^TalkContribs 14:47, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Characters and Iusses

Please do not move the Guardian biographies onto this page, as well as the special issue summaries. It is getting too cluttered and we have to start cleaning it up and make new articles.

[edit] This SERIOUSLY needs to be cleaned up.

Okay, let me say something. It is HAY LIN and not Aylin. It is Candracar/Kandrakar and not Candrakar. Can we prevent unregistered/new users from editing this for a while? It's seriously messing this article up badly. There is no Aylin either. Oreos^TalkContribs 15:32, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Hello. If the problem gets seriously bad, please consider posting a request at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. Thanks, Tangotango 15:37, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks. Oreos^TalkContribs 18:58, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New: The Elyon special is added! Please don't remove!

A few days ago I added the summary of the Elyon special. This evening I discovered someone has deleted it. Please don't let it happen again. Soon I will add another summary, the special "Boy's Planet".

[edit] Approval for addition of 'Italian comics' category

If I'm not mistaken, the W.I.T.C.H. comic book has been created in Italy. Am I right?

If so, please confirm to this message so to approve the inclusion of the Italian comics category into the W.I.T.C.H. category listing at the bottom of the page.

If the ctegory doesn't exists, may I be able to create it? Thanks in advance.

--Cristóbal 03:08, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Endarno's identity

"When Endarno assumes the position as Oracle in the fourth arc, the imprisoned Cedric believes he has met a kindred spirit, since the new Oracle displays manners similar to those of Phobos."

The summary of Cedric's history stretches until after this, so I don't think there's a reason (i.e. spoiler-related reason) for not writing the whole story here: that Endarno *is* Phobos - or rather, that Phobos has taken over Endarno's body. As far as I can tell, Cedric was aware of this the entire time. I'm new to Wikipedia, so I hope someone else can edit this. :) 84.49.105.254 19:26, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Note 6

"Note 6: On the W.I.T.C.H. TV series, Anna is Irma's birth mother, not her stepmother, as she remembers when Irma was a baby."

Does this also mean that her surname in the TV series isn't Bannister, but Lair? In the comic story "L'isola dei ricordi" (part 57), there are several illusions, one of them resembling Irma's mother (according to Irma herself). And this illusion looks just like Anna Bannister. This might need to be mentioned. (Stefan2 10:40, 5 October 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Information box

In the information box in the upper-right corner, there's a picture of an English-language issue, but the text associated with that image talks about the Italian W.i.t.c.h. magazine. If there's text about an Italian publication, it looks strange to have a scan of a non-Italian issue. (Stefan2 13:50, 6 October 2006 (UTC))

[edit] WE

i will make an article for WELCOME.but for now, do you like the edits i made to the welcome section?Sir aaron sama girl 19:19, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I have reverted your changes to one of my edits. Without references and citations, your edits constituted biased POV almost to the point of vandalism. If you believe your edits to be correct, please provide reliable sources.--Kenn Caesius 19:28, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Move to W.I.T.C.H.

I propose that this article is moved to W.I.T.C.H.. Same name but all in upper case. Any objections? --Apoc2400 14:14, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it seems like W.i.t.c.h. is the correct name. So why is W.I.T.C.H. (in all upper case) written all over the article? --Apoc2400 14:16, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

It's written as both. The logo only capitalizes the W, but whenever Disney Italy/America mentions it in text, it's all capitals. --Amibite 17:48, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I'm doing some cleanup today

I will do some cleanup of the articles related to W.i.t.c.h. today. I will start by collecting them all in a new Category:W.I.T.C.H.. I'm sorry for any temporary mess that will occur. Feel free to revert if I screw up. I have never read the series or seen the TV version, so my contribution will be more in the field of organization and Wikipedia style. --Apoc2400 02:22, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spelling of Kandracar?

there seam to be several differing spelling of Kandracar. should we use Kandracar spelt with a 'K' or Candracar spelt with a 'C'? depends on which region your in i suppose. Is there a standard? In any event i think it would be a good idea to at least mention the difference in spelling. Think outside the box 10:53, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I think that the C spelling only applies to the US. Since this is a European comic/series and the number of countire that use K outnumbers the number of countries that use C, I advice that we stick with the K spelling. perfectblue 11:37, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

yes, i looked into and i think your right. thanks! Think outside the box 09:54, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

i know this isn't really the place to ask but are you a witch fan aswel? Think outside the box 11:01, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm a fan children's entertainment that steps away from the sanitized, dumbed down, non continuous down, "Dexters Lab" format promoted by the networks, which I blame for making our kids dumb couch potatoes with no attention span, and parents freaky about "Sex and violence" on children's TV.

perfectblue 12:59, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I do agree that we should use the K spelling. As for the difference, there is a note in the notes sec. that mentions the spelling differences. Øřêōş 20:52, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Will Vandom

I'd heard that Will has a step sister in the comics who doesn't appear in the animation. Does anybody remember her name?

perfectblue 11:35, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

No, it's the other way around. Apparently she has a stepsister in the animation. She doesn't have one in the comics. I believe it was Kyla. Øřêōş 18:18, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Are you absolutely certain? Will's father didn't remarry in the Cartoon. He was planning on marry a woman named Sarina Sanchez late in season 2, but I don't recall her having any children, and if they ever actually married it wasn't mentioned prior to season 2 finishing.

perfectblue 20:11, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't watch the show, so I don't know. However, a Will-related article said she had a stepmother and a stepsister. I'll go ask some friends who watch the show and see if they can comfirm it. Øřêōş 01:13, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Veil

When was the veil raised in the comic?

In the animation it was raised within human memory, but I've heard that it was raised much earlier in the comic.

perfectblue 11:36, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] W.I.T.C.H. category

Please stop removing the link from the article. Øřêōş 18:19, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Guardians of the Veil vs. Guardians of Candracar

Which one is right? -User:Aidoflight 18:59, 2 January 2007

I believe it changes from Guardians of the Veil to Guardians of Kandrakar after the first saga. Øřêōş 01:12, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

In the animation, they are the Guardians of the veil for the first season, but after that they are usually just referred to as being the Guardians. It might not be strictly correct, but I think that Guardians of the Veil is the best known.

perfectblue 08:31, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hay Lin Page

Does anyone know if we should include it or not? It's one of the most known W.I.T.C.H. fansites, and usually a few fansites are included in pages (see The Sims 2- Mod the Sims 2 and the Sims Resource are included, and they're fansites). Any ideas? Øřêōş 20:28, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Star of Threbe

I need to add more information concerning this particular artifact to certain articles. Please give me as much information as you can to help both me and Wikipedia. Thanks very much!!! Aidoflight 00:16, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I haven't heard about it so far, but you could try checking Hay Lin's Page. Øřêōş 01:44, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Phobos and Elyon

I have a few questions regarding these two characters. First of all, did Phobos actually murder his parents to gain the title as ruler of Meridian? I have tried to gather as much info about this as I can, but the comic books only say that his parents disappeared under mysterious circumstances, and after Phobos ursurped the throne, it is shown that his mother, at least, is dead as she is shown in spirit form when she converses with Elyon. Also, I believe Elyon was involved in the Season 4 saga of the comic book, when Endarno became the new Oracle. The info I have about this is that Endarno demanded that Elyon hand over the Crown of Light and give up her title as Queen of meridian, but I would like to have some more info. Thanks! Aidoflight 23:40, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism

Why is there no criticism section? Surely, in the USA, some fundamentalist Christian organisation has to have claimed this comic book promotes Satanism. JIP | Talk 07:15, 18 February 2007 (UTC)