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Contents 1 Online 2 Conversions 3 "Warcraft" (lowercase 'c') was probably better 4 Quotations 5 Not a stub? 6 Online Play 7 Alpha? 8 Cheapness, reason for passage editing 9 Warcraft Disco 10 Move article? 11 Battle.net edition 12 Cleanup

[edit] Online

Sine my cd is broken and cdkey is being used on a bot can somone be so kind as to update the activity of online play as of 2007? Because i went to war2 usa 1 and there was nobody there. This would be truly sad if this game is dead because i used to play nonstop online at one point in time. thank you Wera 05:45, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

The Warcraft Occult is your best source for information. As it says they have moved to a another server. Or you could check War2 Ladder Challenges on bnet, I don't know. Its forum is your best source for laughing at old rivalries and flamers and hackers and dodgers who are still going strong. –Pomte 06:00, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Conversions

Call me skeptical, but I think the whole "Conversions" section is a bit apocryphal. I admit that I'm not big into the mod scene, but I never heard about any of this stuff. I don't doubt that it really existed, but I doubt that it's notable enough the have an entire section in the article. I think we could sum it all up as, "Many utilities were developed by fans to alter and change WarCraft II assets. Many mods were developed," or some such thing. I just really don't think they were that notable. Anyone else? —Frecklefoot 14:29, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)

• They were notable; many players tried out the conversions at least at some point. --Lowellian 22:16, Sep 27, 2004 (UTC)

• I agree. Conversions (or mods) have their place in this article, sure. It was/is a notable part of the Warcraft 2 experience. And hey, isn't an encyclopedia entry supposed to a bit more than just a rewording of the blurb on the game box? ~Anonymous Wanderer

[edit] "Warcraft" (lowercase 'c') was probably better

Most people (including Blizzard) seem to write it Warcraft, lowercase 'c'. Same goes for Warcraft III. --Mrwojo 20:11, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I agree. It should be moved back. —Frecklefoot 14:16, Apr 5, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Quotations

"Help! Help! I'm being repressed!" is a quote from Warcraft III, not II. I think it should be removed but should it be moved to the WC3 page? - --EatMyShortz 12:43, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I didn't notice this was on the talk page, but I've already moved that quotation to the WC3 article :) Rbarreira 02:18, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Not a stub?

It seems the article on the original Warcraft is more of a stub than this.

Yep, I think you're right. I'd say none of them are stubs, but I don't know. I'll unmark this article at stub, but it would not have been a problem at all if you had done it :) By the way, make sure to sign your posts (typing ~~~~ in the end). Welcome to Wikipedia! Rbarreira 02:15, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Online Play

I've begun a section on online play. War2 was a pretty significant step forward for online competitive gaming, and it would be nice to document some of what went on. Mutant 11:41, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Alpha?

Should the Alpha version be mentioned? I do understand that it is not "general knowledge", but then again, neither is the entire Warcraft Universe. The Alpha version of Warcraft 2 was in quite heavy rotation back in the day and it is -- all things considered -- a nice piece of Warcraftiana. Further, if there's a place where I'd go looking for info on the nowadays-hard-to-come-by Warcraft 2 Alpha thingie, this is the page where I'd go foraging. I realize that a separate page would be pushing it, but a mention (however quick) is quite defendable and understandable. ~Anonymous Wanderer

[edit] Cheapness, reason for passage editing

"The depth of strategy of the game was found to be immense and evolved over time. Many of the newly invented tactics were considered unorthodox and "cheap", meaning the tactic reduced the enjoyability of the game. New players (newbies, newbs, or noobs) were able to defeat well established players by using cheap tatics. But for every cheap tactic, subsequent countermeasures were developed and matches eventually played out like complicated games of rock, paper, scissors. What was once considered cheap, eventually became routine, and established players were forced to adapt. Examples of cheap tactics include grunt rushing (rushing), barracks first (rax first), offensive barracksing (raxing), offensive towering (ot), peon rushing, and rushing to bloodlust."

Cheapness is about as subjective and unencyclopedic a subject as it gets in competitive gameplay and I didn't believe much of that was salvagable.

First, the word noob shouldn't be used in an encyclopedia. That should be obvious. Second, grunt rushing and rushing to bloodlust are THE two bread and butter strategies of the game. If you consider those cheap, every single game of War2 is cheap because you no longer have bread and butter ground units. I have never seen an offensive barracksing, or at least never seen one that succeeded.

As a former IPX player, that passage just rubbed me the wrong way. Showdown 16:18, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Warcraft Disco

Shouldn't there be something about the hidden disco song? SockMonkeh 05:40, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Last item at Blizzard Entertainment#Trivia. I'll paste it here. –Pomte 06:00, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Move article?

Shouldn't the main article be found at Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness with Warcraft II being a redirect? Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness is the full title of the game. Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos and Warcraft: Orcs & Humans are found at the correct full title, why not Warcraft II?

This article is about the bnet edition as well. The Dark Portal expansion has its own article just to tell the story, I guess. –Pomte 06:00, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Battle.net edition

Is the Battle.net edition just Tides of Darkness, or does it also include Beyond the Dark Portal?

Pretty sure both. –Pomte 06:00, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup

It appears this article has been heavily edited recently, and requires cleanup. I've found numerous spelling and gramatical errors. Source checks and accuracy shecks appear to be in order as well. Also some of the added pictures should be moved so that they arent covering text or creating empty space. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.234.47.244 (talk) 09:42, 5 April 2007 (UTC).