Talk:WCBS-TV
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[edit] Neutrality
This article doesn't seem to be neutral enough. Citing the POV page:
While each fact mentioned in the article might be presented fairly, the very selection (and omission) of facts can make an article biased.
This is especially true with this page. The selection of facts here, while seemingly written in NPOV, does create the appearance of bias, because many of the selections point to negative things that the station and namely the news director have done. While the station has made some very big errors, it seems to criticize them on every single thing - especially the statement about the station opening with the Burt Reynolds piece, which probably should not be there.
Another big example is the picture of Bolaris (making an admittedly obnoxious face during his extended TRENNNNNND). Not only does the picture portray him as a moron, but the text also includes damning evidence: "The quality of newscasts on WCBS is reflected in the professionalism of their on air talent. Here we see weatherman, John Bolaris." It helps create this bias and it would be best to remove this picture and caption entirely.--HulkieD 30 June 2005 18:58 (UTC)
To say that WCBS has significant problems isn't biased; it's the truth. Anyone watching it during the past ten years can tell that the revolving door has been swinging mercilessly, the graphics have been modified and modified again, and glitzy bits have been brought back, killed, recycled and killed again. All the while, what they are supposed to be producing - NEWS! - remains as pitiful as ever. Of course, the problem isn't limited to WCBS.
- The problem is not with the article, it is with WCBS as they have been making all the wrong moves to get out of third place or below. As for Mr. Bolaris, if he acts like an unprofessional moron on air, it should be noted. -- Spotteddogsdotorg 22:37, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
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- Sorry, but Wikipedia is not the place to write anti-station pages. Sure, the station isn't the best in the world, and sure, they've had their share of problems over the years, but this isn't the place to just let it all out. ErikNY 15:16, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
While HulkieD does have somewhat of a point, if WCBS has made mistakes it should be noted here. It happened, it is true, so it belongs on Wikipedia, because this is an encyclopedia. That's what I think, at least. Aido2002
- Whether or not hiring or firing anchor X or leading with X story is a mistake is pretty subjective. If people have spoken out against WCBS, it should be noted instead of saying "industry insiders say" and then giving various opinions on the show. Also, I don't think Wikipedia users care that WCBS once ran a Burt Reynolds story before a story about a congressional vote. I think that paragraph sould be removed.
[edit] Captions
The information from the Jim Rosenfield and Arnold Diaz captions should be moved to the body of the text and cited. The purpose of a caption should be to explain what the picture is, not give commentary (e.g., "WCBS has been known to grab talent from other stations.")
[edit] Logos
The Logo section is inaccurate on a few things if not all of it. The 2 font is not Arial between 1975-1997. It's Futura. The CBS font for CBS is not Times New Roman, and I don't know what that font is off the top of my head, but I know it was posted within a year ago on tvnewstalk.net.
The "1986" font (Futura) was the same since the 70s (if not the 60s, not sure), through 1997. The font from 1997 to present is another font which my memory isn't serving me right now.
Also: I thought the PNP era started in 1985, therefore that "standardize 2" would have begun in 1985, I would guess, can someone also double check the source?
If someone clearly knows the fonts mentioned (ether an New York TV insider or someone that knows this stuff completely) please correct it and reply back to the discussion and explain the difference betweeen the fonts mentioned and the one corrected. If the person who added the font in the article, please go to the website I mentioned above and ether if you are already registered or register and post a question about the fonts on the New York News discussion because my mind is foggy and I cannot help you. If you look at the difference between the fonts cited in the article and the ones that might be mentioned, you will know what I am talking about.
Have a good day. Edited Steven312 20:56, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, from 1973 to the mid-1980's the "2" with a small eye on the left side directly below the hook of the "2" (and not just on the news), was a font called Serif Gothic Bold. From 1963 to c.1972 there was a sans-serif "2" to the right of the CBS logo (and in the same size) as shown on screen, used not only by WCBS-TV but (I've been apprised) by KNXT (now KCBS-TV) in Los Angeles, that was set in Grotesque No. 9. During the mid-to-late 1950's there was another on-air "2" logo, with the eye hanging not unlike the 1996-97 variation; though not the same, the "2" looked similar to Highway Gothic C. The 1986-1997 variation appears to be custom made. Wbwn 19:55, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Recent Changes...
...made by Sidestreetchat, which introduced a number of new screenshots of WCBS-TV anchors to the article, resulted in a badly-formatted outline and, plainly, a big mess.
Though I revamped the entry, returning to a previous look and placing the news shots in a gallery titles "Personality Gallery", this revision should be only a temporary one. I do question whether so many pictures even belong in this article to begin with, and I've already removed two. Perhaps a new page called "WCBS-TV Personalities", similar to WTXF-TV Personalities can be created and all of these new pictures can be moved there, so as long as the text doesn't read as if it were ripped directly from the WCBS-TV Website (the WTXF page reads as if it was). Comments? Rollosmokes 07:55, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
sorry, i fixed this and moved it to a page similar to what you suggested, but just a gallery page, as it is not just personalities seen in the gallery and i dont want to write abotu every anchor. sidestreetchat
[edit] movement?
Shouldn't this article should be moved to WCBS-TV fair-use image gallery? — pd_THOR | =/\= | 03:52, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Tabloid references?
I think it's fair to say that these tabloid references are not from a credible source.Alan.ca 18:51, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
- With Wolf, Ch. 2 sends wrong signal (5-28-2004). New York Daily News.
- Rosenfield's back at Ch. 2 (6-1-2005). New York Daily News.
- Ch. 2 taps Johnson, Wragge as anchors (10-16-2006). New York Daily News.
- Your're an idot, basically. The tabloid references are credible sources. This is how the 1996 Masscare made big news, was the local tabloids. And when I am on the TV news discussions, guess where the stories come from??? NY Post or NY Daily News. This should be reverted 100%, (and especially because the Daily News keeps the stories forever, and if it someday needs a login, then it can be removed). Steven312 01:09, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, I was expecting everything that "alan.ca" was changing was reverted back. I would like to propose that this version to return. Steven312 01:25, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Merge proposal
- Support It's well established that W2XAB and WCBS-TV are the same station ... no reason to have separate articles. Blueboy96 17:31, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
