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Contents 1 Indigenous Articles Template 2 Wakash Indians - delete 3 Asked about Beautiful British Columbia photos 4 Help with Wikicode/letter style 5 Article name query - Volcanic Brown 6 Burrard Peninsula 7 Fabulous BC gov map resource

[edit] Indigenous Articles Template

Hello folks! I talked to User:Skookum1 about this, and was also recommended to bring the idea here. I wanted to create some consistency among the Indigenous articles for both political institutions and ethnic/people pages. What I've mostly worked on so far is Squamish Nation and Skwxwu7mesh. The structure I used is:

For culture and ethnic pages. (Examples being Haida, Skwxwu7mesh, Sto;lo, Kwakwaka'wakw)

• History
• Culture
  • Pre-contact
  • Post-contact
• Language
• Villages

For Indian Act political affiliation (Examples being any __________ First Nation)

• History
• Elected Councilors (and/or Chiefs)
• Reserves
• Treaty Claims
• Resource and Development

There are also the actual government institutions such as Nuu-chah-nulth Tribal Council, and other Tribal Councils or tribal affiliations, which are political institutions representing a varying degree of native peoples from different groups. Idea's? Suggestions? OldManRivers 09:52, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wakash Indians - delete

Just put the delete tag on this; it's one of a few that are cribs from the Catholic Encyclopedia....I seem to recall they even had one for "Siwash Indians". Anyway, it's mostly CE material, and not very good other than some stats; so I put the delete tag on it; no AFD page yet but when it's there all please note.Skookum1 00:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

About the above, the admin who dropped by to check out the "prod" tag has suggested that it be turned into a redirect page, or disambig page I guess; I'll get to that; but I stopped by today about this:

[edit] Asked about Beautiful British Columbia photos

Just to let everyone know the situation with BC mag photos; so posting both my request and the response gotten here:

Hi. This is an unusual and perhaps bold request, but I am writing because the old Beautiful British Columbia magazine was part of my upbringing and many of its images are still in my mind as associated with certain places, and there were articles on areas and places that are forgotten about nowadays. I am currently an over-dedicated "Wikipedian" and with othes am fleshing out a full BC history and geography section of Wikipedia, or at least its basic structure. To this end, we are always looking for illustrative photos - but under Wikipedia rules, they must be copyright-expired, or copyright-released, so as to be in the public domain, or something else called GDFL (which is compliated to explain but a search for WP:GDFL at Wikipedia.org should bring up its explanation).

So, I'm wondering as to the status of your photo files, i.e. if the negs/prints for all your older issues are still extant, or even if the half-screenings are scannable; I'm certainly not suggesting a blanket release of materials but in the interests of public education/edification, I hope you may consider some means of providing public viewing, at least, of some of the older image materials, which were such classics of BC scenic photography; obscure stuff like barns or little towns in the Monashees, or somewhere like Alkali Lake, and sometimes even good illustrative shots of plants, e.g. the arbutus trees, which Irembmer a special on; the fruit-industry issues were always brilliant; or pictures of areas like McBride/the Robson Valley, Muncho Lake, Dease Lake - which you jsut can't find anywhere else! I should add I got a lot of my first interest in BC history from your pages.

Anyway, just asking, and also passing on compliments for an always-good mag, and also fond memories of those from the '50s and '60s that I grew up on....one suggestion: a book-compendium of some of those older shots....

Best regards

Skookum1

REPLY

British Columbia Magazine (and, formerly, Beautiful British Columbia) only purchases one-time publication rights for the photographs and articles we print. Copyright reverts back to the contributor soon after our issues are lifted from newsstands. So, unfortunately, we cannot grant you permission to use any of the images shown on our pages--you'd have to communicate directly with the individual photographers.

I suggest that you go through back issues, and make a list of images you'd most like to post on wikipedia, noting the issue number and date, page number, and photographer's name for each. Then, if you can't find e-mail addresses or other contact information for those photographers yourself, I can try to help you out by forwarding your request on to the appropriate people, provided they're still in our database, and there isn't too many.

Sorry I can't be of greater assistance. Best of luck with the project,

Shanna Baker

--

Editorial Department

British Columbia Magazine

Tel: 250-356-5860

Fax: 250-356-5896

www.bcmag.ca

Oh well; but at least we know where to go if we see something we like; and we might be able to sort out the conflicts between US and Canadian copyright laws; I think copyright expiry for images that have appeared in magazines might be different than the usual 100-year rule in the US (vs. our 50-year rule).Skookum1 22:40, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Help with Wikicode/letter style

Hi; just about to create an article for Xá:ytem, aka Hatzic Rock, the archaeological site/museum near Mission; but it should properly have an underline-X so I tried "Xá:ytem" but that didn't work; what's the Wikicode for an underlined-letter?Skookum1 19:32, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, but it worked there, i.e. in regular Wiki text.Skookum1

trying again - [[Xá:ytem]] in case that works for some reason (since it worked in regular non-linked text...Skookum1 20:55, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Ok, that's weird; the presence of the 'u'-html code blocks the wikilink squarebrackets from working as a link....Skookum1 20:56, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

It might not be possible in the article title, such as titles that should technically be lower case. But you might try the Wikipedia:Help desk. Bobanny 20:13, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I guess you mean like xwemelch'stn, although in this case the Sto:lo agency governing the site uses a capitalized "X", albeit underlined which is what I'm trying to emulate....but I guess the help desk is the place to go.Skookum1 20:53, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Got an answer; FYI if interested:

Try

{{wrongtitle|title=Correct title}}

and see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (technical restrictions). Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review!

from the help page.Skookum1 06:40, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Guess I'll try it; point is I guess is that in Canadian English such spellings are now expected and increasingly commonplace, and a standard for their use has already been established here with the diacritically-complete forms of St'at'imc, Sto:lo, Skwxwu7mesh, Nuxalk, Shishalh etc (though we've been cheating with the use of 7's or ?'s for the glottal stop...), because of their increasingly official stature. I'd venture that the presence of such inflected spellings in English is a unique feature of Canadian English; American and British English may add an accent here or an umlaut there; but an underline-X, a subscript-k/superscript-underline w? Nope, only in Canadian English, and so be it; I'll try the Xa:ytem page in the morning; I meant to get at the Scowlitz Mounds but had to take the book back to the library today and hadn't yet dug out its contents into Wiki form; there's some online stuff on them available I think, but the Daphne Sleigh book People of the Harrison for anyone interested in Fraser Valley or First Nations history; I may eventually get my own copy as it has connections with my existing collection of Pemberton-Bridge River-Lillooet-Fraser Canyon stuff....I made a judgement call, too, because Xa:ytem is one of those words often spelled XA:YTEM (with all diacriticals) in regular text; the uncapitalied version is also used, but there's no way I figure such a full-caps title would have survived a new-file admin's eye; and since the un-fullcaps version exists, might as well use it.Skookum1 06:40, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article name query - Volcanic Brown

Volcanic Brown will definitely be the main direct, and the most likely search. If I remember right he was Robert Allan Brown and, following the model I used on Margaret Lally "Ma" Murray, I'm thinking Robert Allan "Volcanic" Brown is the proper main article title; finally getting around to this, albeit it'll still be only "start", but a very rich story and FA candidate eventually, because of content possibilities and the range of involvement in BC mining adventures this guy was into. Also btw "Sunset Brown" and "Crazy Brown" and founder of Volcanic City, purported only white man to ever know the location of Slumach's Lost Creek goldmine, and died looking to find it again (as did most who looked for it). This guy was everywhere in BC mining history....Skookum1 21:25, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Burrard Peninsula

This article was bugging me for over a year...I posted a couple of questions and comments on the talk page, and received no reply. In the meantime, the WP BC and WP Vancouver templates were added to the talk page. Finally, I expanded and comprehensively rewrote the article today. I took the liberty of uprating the article's class for WP BC from "Stub" to "Start," but I suppose that's presumptuous of me and not good form...but it's clearly no longer a stub. Does someone care to review it? -Sewing 21:05, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Looks great. I added some more wikilinks and assessed it for WikiVan. The difference between stub and start class is more about whether it has the basic components of an article (subheadings, sources, photos, etc.) than about quality of the content, and so I see no problem in self-assessments in this regard. Bobanny 22:02, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fabulous BC gov map resource

I knew ther was a central link for this somewhere, although I've seen bits and pieces of it, and stuff using the same technology on native-language distribution/'territories' (not territories, as they point out on that page, which once I'll find again I'll return here to link also, as it's quite useful and in a way kinda beautiful in an applied-techie-using-government-boringness-makes-good kind of way; the main link is in a quote from an old email I got while researching the Tulameen, British Columbia article; the writer is one of the refs on that page, the guy who owns GeoQwest Adventures (no it's not a spam link on that page; it's the best ref I found!):

One great site that is loaded with technical stuff regarding mining is done by the BC Geological survey called the Mapplace. During the 1980-90�s when field work budgets were axed, the geologists became computer wienies. Almost everything know to mining has been put in thei GIS style site.

Although a bit technical, the user can search any showing recorded to the government (+95%). A decent guideline is that the more text there is on a showing, the more significant the history. If you ignore a lot of the geology, mineral and technical stuff, some good, factual history hides in the text. http://webmap.em.gov.bc.ca/mapplace/minpot/bcgs.cfm

The critical box to click is the �Mineral Inventory Layers� . It will give you a map of BC with every showing, producer, past producer, prospect, etc�all 12389 of them. Window into your area of interest and click on a showing.

He's meaning in reference to the take on various mines or other things that didn't quite get to be mines; gonna be useful for history as well as geology/placename/georaphy articles in some cases. But there's a lot more than mining-fun you can have with this; infrareds of the NASA landsats are available, as are the orthometric imaging (sat radar, looks like a bw photo) and two different sets of contour intervals (not self-generating trim materials), all Indian Reserve boundariers, mineral potentials areas, and HEAPS MORE just go through all the toggles on the left; and fun interposing things to see what's in where; got some revealing stuff when I compared mineral potentials to what else I know around Bralorne-D'Arcy and re the "South Chilcotin"; seem to be some funny errors like a native community where I know for SURE there isn't one (high in the Shulaps Range...maybe a hunting camp acknowledged somehow or someone lives up there part time, but I've never heard of it - I know all the hippies down at the bottom below there....). Anyway, the nice thing with these maps is they don't automatically have copyright display on them, and since it's public documentation that's being covered I'm not sure any of the generated maps could be copyrightedd even if they wanted to. But it's easier than that; there's as I said no copyright tag on these images as there are on Basemap/LRDWC images and other government stuff - so you can pull screen-captures here, edit the material, change the colours and re-text it maybe; gonna be good for e.g. road and river/lake outlines. Also of BIG interest are the LRMP boundaries, which switch 'em on and have a good look at how much sense they make as regional breakdowns; the reason is their evolution was influenced by the bioregionalists who are big on using cohesive watershed areas and identifiable social regions as boundaries/defining factors. Also neat to do was to turn on all the Indian reserves/communities, then look at the whole province to get an idea of distribution; or, in the far North, to realize how few there are. It's all scaleable, looks eminently usable, maps made from it using the NASA infrared (reduce saturation to near-grey might work well) or just the basic outlines - park boundaries!! municipal boundaries!! - and because you've done and reworked the base public domain data by altering it, their copyright doesn't apply even IF they recognized, say, the particular vectors/rasters of a river outline.....and they won't be looking, but I'm sure I'm right about changing-data making new work; it applies in other fields, too.....anyway, thought I'd better make a heads-up; I gotta get back to housecleaning but am tempted to play with MapPlace. Maybe I'll make some sample maps off it later....all needing maps for their articles please check out this system,, if you have any requests please let me know, or we'll start a list and maybe Qyd or someone else might want to play with it too.Skookum1 00:06, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Nice find. I admit when I saw "fabulous" in the section heading (I equated it with "fantastic" for whatever reason) I assumed it was a bunch of Fantasy Garden maps or something ;) Kidding aside, I remember hearing of this 'map place' while at my previous job, but didn't realize it offered so much. I'm sure it will serve the project well. On an unrelated topic, I just disambigged 'Shuswap', which was being directed (by User:Bearcat) not unreasonably to Secwepemc. But with the electoral district, and the regional usage had to create it. If there's anything to add/remove from it, feel free. Later.Keefer4 | Talk 00:25, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

And "fantastic" used to mean horrifying, nightmarish....lanuage is funny enit? Anyway, I went to the main mapplace directory looking for a First Nations languages map made with it - really cool, as you'll see when I find it, way nicer looking than the main mapplace thing, shows what can be done with the technology when a designer works with it - and it has a number of interesting local and specialized maps listed; here's the link so check it out; I'll add the Hat Creek link right now, but gotta get out and enjoy that sunshine with some tunes under the open sky.....later.Skookum1 22:13, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh, there's no Hat Creek, British Columbia article, only Hat Creek in Cailfornia....work to do.....and I think there's got to be two articles, too, Hat Creek (British Columbia) for the tributary of the Bonaparte River, minor though it is (as it's historically notable) and Hat Creek, British Columbia as a placename, usually today associated with the heritage ranch at 97 and 99 although the name includes the valley from there up to Upper Hat Creek, which Lillooeters tend to mean when they say Hat Creek; the "new" one is, old-style, Carquile, or was for a while Cottonwood (Heritage or Guest?) Ranch, aka Lower Hat Creek. Upper Hat Creek more or less begins at the big bend in 99 just at the SE outlet of Marble Canyon; Upper Hat Creek is considered to be in the Lillooet Country, while Lower Hat Creek is obviously Thompson-Bonaparte, and from that end Upper Hat Creek is considered part of that. I'm wondering also if there should be a separate third article on the Hat Creek coal development proposal or whatever the right name would be. the Hat Creek minerals MapPlace link is here since I didn't have a place to put it on the Hat Creek page. Not without a lot of work, and as I said it's sunny outside....Skookum1 22:18, 31 March 2007 (UTC)