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	WikiProject Spectroscopy is part of WikiProject Spectroscopy, an attempt to better organize information in articles related to spectroscopy. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.
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	To-do list for Wikipedia:WikiProject Spectroscopy:	edit  · history  · watch  · refresh
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To Do Status

Article	Category	Status	Action
Astronomical spectroscopy	Application	N/A	N/A
APXS	Ionizing	N/A	Move to better name space
Atomic absorption spectroscopy	Electronic	N/A	N/A
Atomic Absorption Spectrophotometry	Electronic	N/A	N/A
AFM	Not spectroscopy	N/A	Include/Remove from project on concensus
Atomic spectroscopy	Electronic	N/A	N/A
Auger electron spectroscopy	Ionizing	N/A	N/A
Cavity ring down spectroscopy	EM/General Term	N/A	N/A
Circular dichroism spectroscopy	Light Polarization	N/A	N/A
Coherent anti-Stokes Raman spectroscopy	Vibrational	N/A	N/A
Coherent spectroscopy	EM/General Term	N/A	N/A
Coherent Stokes Raman spectroscopy	Vibrational	Stub	Expand
Cold vapour atomic fluorescence spectroscopy	Electronic	N/A	N/A
Correlation spectroscopy	Quantum Magnetic Spin	N/A	N/A
Cross section	Background information	N/A	Keep as separate category (Related)?
Dielectric spectroscopy	Electric Dipole (Bulk)	N/A	N/A
Dynamic mechanical spectroscopy	Not spectroscopy	N/A	Include/Remove from project on concensus
Electromagnetic spectroscopy	EM/General Term	N/A	N/A
Electron backscatter diffraction	Diffraction	N/A	N/A
Electron diffraction	Diffraction	Good	N/A
electron microscopy	General Term/Microscopy	N/A	N/A
Electron spectroscopy	Ionizing	Stub	Verify that this is correct not a repeat of Auger
EPR spectroscopy	Quantum Magnetic Spin	N/A	N/A
Ellipsometry	Light Polarization	Good	some formatting improvements needed
Emission spectroscopy	General Term	Stub	Expand
Energy-dispersive X-ray spectroscopy	Ionizing	Short	Expand, Reorganize
Extended X-Ray Absorption Fine Structure	Ionizing	N/A	N/A
Flame emission spectroscopy	Electronic	N/A	N/A
Force spectroscopy	Not spectroscopy	N/A	Include/Remove from project on concensus
Fourier transform	Background information	N/A	Keep as separate category (Related)?
Fourier transform spectroscopy	General Term	N/A	N/A
Gamma spectroscopy	Gamma ray	Stub	Expand
High resolution electron energy loss spectroscopy	Vibrational	N/A	N/A
Imaging spectroscopy	General Term	N/A	N/A
Infrared spectroscopy	Vibrational	N/A	N/A
Inverse photoemission spectroscopy	Ionizing	Stub	Expand
Laser Induced Breakdown Spectroscopy (LIBS)	Ionizing	N/A	N/A
Magnetic circular dichroism	Light Polarization	N/A	N/A
Mass spectrometry	Not spectroscopy	N/A	Include/Remove from project on concensus
Metamerism (color)	Background information	N/A	Keep as separate category (Related)?
Mößbauer spectroscopy	Gamma Ray	N/A	N/A
Near Edge X-ray Absorption Fine Structure	Ionizing	N/A	N/A
Neutron diffraction	Diffraction	Stub	Expand
NMR	Quantum Magnetic Spin	N/A	N/A
Photoacoustic spectroscopy	Photoacoustic	N/A	N/A
Photoemission spectroscopy	Ionizing	N/A	N/A
PIXE	Ionizing	N/A	Move to better name space
Raman_optical_activity	Background/Vibrational	N/A	N/A
Raman spectroscopy	Vibrational	N/A	N/A
RHEED-TRAXS	Ionizing	Stub	Expand, Move to better name space
Rigid rotor	Background/Rotational	N/A	Keep as separate category (Related)?
Rotational spectroscopy	Rotational	N/A	N/A
SAXS	Ionizing	N/A	Move to better name space
Scanning tunneling spectroscopy	Tunneling	N/A	N/A
Spectral power distributions	Background	N/A	N/A
Soft x-ray emission spectroscopy	Ionizing	N/A	N/A
Spectral reflectance	General Term	N/A	N/A
Spectrophotometry	EM/General Term	N/A	N/A
Spectroscopy	Main Article	Good	Improve links to main articles
Scattering theory	Background information	N/A	Keep as separate category (Related)?
Spectrum analysis	General Term	N/A	N/A
Stark spectroscopy	Electronic	Stub	Expand
Surface Enhanced Raman Spectroscopy	Vibrational	N/A	Rename?
Terahertz time domain spectroscopy	Ultrafast	N/A	N/A
Thermal desorption spectroscopy	Not spectroscopy	N/A	Include/Remove from project on concensus
Time-resolved spectroscopy	Ultrafast	N/A	N/A
Ultra fast laser spectroscopy	Ultrafast	N/A	N/A
UV/VIS spectroscopy	Electronic	N/A	N/A
Vibrational spectroscopy	Vibrational	N/A	N/A
Wavelength dispersive X-ray spectroscopy	Ionizing	N/A	N/A
XANES	Ionizing	N/A	Move to better name space
XFH	Not spectroscopy	N/A	Include/Remove from project on concensus
X-ray crystallography	Diffraction	N/A	N/A
X-ray fluorescence	Ionizing	N/A	N/A
X-ray photoelectron spectroscopy	Ionizing	N/A	N/A
X-ray spectroscopy	Ionizing	N/A	N/A

Contents 1 Discussion 2 An idea... 3 Attenuated total reflectance? 4 Ideas 5 Categories 6 Project directory 7 Wikipedia Day Awards 8 Analytical Chemistry 9 Ratings in banner

[edit] Discussion

I was wondering about what people think about mass spectrometry in relation to this project page. Although it is not spectroscopy even though it is commonly mistakenly refered to as mass spectroscopy, it is at least as closely related as AFM.--Nick Y. 22:36, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

How about X-ray fluorescence? Walkerma 07:08, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Wiktionary definition of spectroscopy is 1) The scientific study of spectra. 2) The use of spectrometers in chemical analysis. Following a simple definition from dictionary.com that a spectrometer is "A spectroscope equipped with scales for measuring wavelengths or indexes of refraction." I would say with these definitions that mass spec falls into the scope of this wp. --Tjr9898 05:04, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree completely that this is the correct formal use of the term, although I am uncertain as to exactly how well defined the term is by this definition. I would point out some items in the list that fail this definition: AFM, Force spectroscopy & Electron microscopy. These should be removed from this project. Also, I can think of many that need to be added.--Nick Y. 16:10, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Hmm...I don't think we need to be too concerned with removing anything at the moment. This project hasn't reached a size yet where editing will be spontaneous. --HappyCamper 16:39, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

On the other hand...if we have plenty of redlinks we can add, that would be useful too. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Polymers for an example list...about 6 months ago, most of the stuff was red, but now, we see more blue links! --HappyCamper 16:43, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

I think we should structure the project appropriately from the beginning. I would actually be more excited about this becoming more of a spectroscopy/spectrometry/microscopy project and being more inclusive. Just opening the discussion. Also I have noted some of those pages that are related background but not spectroscopy techniques. I have added some red links too.--Nick Y. 17:41, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] An idea...

For this project, I wonder if we can start an initiative, and obtain GFDL images for machinery representative of the methods listed above? It would probably be a good idea, considering that most people would never encouter such machines in their lifetimes... --HappyCamper 14:00, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Are you volonteering to write a nice letter to PerkinElmer? If so, let's make sure that we only hit them once, and with a suitably long list! Physchim62 (talk) 15:46, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

So long as the images are NPOV :-) Oooh...we have PerkinElmer too! --HappyCamper 02:42, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Attenuated total reflectance?

Should Attenuated total reflectance be included? It is a sampling technique used in conjuction with Fourier transform infrared spectroscopy. Alan Pascoe 21:21, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, this WikiProject is in its infancy...there really isn't any agenda set yet, so whatever you think is appropriate would be a good! --HappyCamper 02:43, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Definitely feel free to add more articles to the list. Almost all of the articles were taken straight off of the spectroscopy. I just felt like it wasn't very well organized or have been updated in some time. --Tjr9898 04:15, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ideas

Well, still brainstorming...I think a good start might be some sort of organizational template. Something which shows up at the bottom of each spectroscopy related article, and indexed according to the energies/transitions that are involved. Say, a nice little box that lists from left to right, all the important classes of spectroscopy, and the approximate ranges of energies invovled in the probe. Something which might look like:

                        Types of Spectroscopy
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    Translational     Rotational      Vibrational  Electronic  Nuclear ...
    * Example 1       * Example 1    * Example 1    * ...
    * Example 2       * Example 2    * Example 2    * ...
    * Example 3       * Example 3    * Example 3    * ...

Plus, to make it look really appealing, we might illustrate with a some schematic diagram. For translational, say, a ball that's sort of wiggling forward. Rotational, maybe some dumbell shaped classical molecule with a swiggly line shooting in, and et cetera for the remaining. This template could help us establish the topics and scope we want to look at, I guess in a "top down" approach. Now, I'm one for letting the Magic of the Wiki take over, so on the side, I think we should create lists of important articles, or classes of articles, and see what things need to be done. --HappyCamper 18:26, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Obviously, this does not cover all types of spectroscopy. We can make another analogous template for methods which should be classified differently... --HappyCamper 18:30, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Categories

I have made a first pass at categorizing the ones listed thus far. It is less than perfect. PLease give feedback. The way I see this is that all EM techniques can be divided further by energy/what quantum states they interact with: Radio, Rotational, Vibrational, Electronic, Ionizing, Gamma Ray. Perhaps NMR and EPR could fit into Radio? Photoelectron based techniques are harder because they ionize but do not use ionizing radiation. Those that use electron beams I have lumped together. Electron Tunneling techniques clearly need its own category too ala photoelectron effect. I also put in a an ultra fast category. These techniques are generally broad band and group together well as both fast and broadband. Light polarization seems like a good but small group since they work on a totally different concept. There are also a lot of general terms that can't be pegged to a particular regime. In the ionizing category I have purposely put PIXE and Inverse photoemission spectroscopy and similar techniques that probe the X-ray/ionization bands by alternative means. X-ray crystallography seems to it teh definition of spectroscopy on the main spectroscopy page but really only fits the category of diffraction since ionization is not specifically studied. There is also a "not spectroscopy" category for those that do not seem to fit teh definition of spectroscopy but tend to be lumped in for one reason or another. PLease give feedback/ other ideas about organization.--Nick Y. 21:15, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

NMR & EPR I have change these to Category: Quantum Magnetic Spin from NMR and EPR since they are truely closely related and this is more consistent with the other categories being the state being affected/probed/observed.--Nick Y. 00:10, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I took the listed articles and shuffled them so that the categories are in alphabetical order. The link is in the to do box and here. There is a plain list of the categories also. The question about dealing with background has been raised. Personally, I think we should keep the backgrounds as a related category. --Tjr9898 00:11, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

The articles page was updated for the new Quantum Magnetic Spin. --Tjr9898 00:16, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

These categories still need some improvements. A good example is Auger electron spectroscopy It uses an electron beam to ionize core electrons and then observes multiple electronic transistions as the remaining electrons relax into lower quantum states. I guess I might call this ionizing, however it is not EM and it uses and electron beam so it fits there too. It isn't to distantly related to PIXE which I put in IOnizing even though it uses a proton beam since your observe EXAFS type data. I guess I am changing Auger to ionizing?--Nick Y. 00:21, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

X-ray photoelectron spectroscopy and Photoemission spectroscopy changed from Photoelectron and photoemission to Ionizing since ithey truely do probe the ionization potential spectrum--Nick Y. 00:34, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Any thoughts on changing photoacoustic to translational? DOesn't seem quite right to me but it would be more consistent?--Nick Y. 00:44, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Any thoughts on the categories in general??? Anyone?--Nick Y. 00:30, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Still waiting for feedback before I go too much further...--Nick Y. 23:35, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Project directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 23:59, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 17:44, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Analytical Chemistry

I have made major improvements to analytical chemistry I would like to encourage others to contribute and check my work too.--Nick Y. 21:42, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ratings in banner

I added ratings to the banner template (copied mainly from Wikipedia:WikiProject Beekeeping).

--Kkmurray 02:25, 6 April 2007 (UTC)