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[edit] Ghostwriting
- There seems to be a small dispute about whether or not Shatner actually wrote the novels that bear his name, or whether they were ghost-written. I believe that if Orangemike wants to include the bit about the novels being ghost written ([1]) he needs to include a reference. --Wolf530 06:59, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
The paragraph about Shatner's potential guest-appearance on Enterprise is listed twice, albeit it in slightly different form. I'll see if I can combine the two. Also, until someone has good reason to claim otherwise, I'm deleting the "ghost-written" remark. --Feitclub 04:28, Sep 15, 2004 (UTC)
Sadly, though I have a strong reference as to who ghostwrote many of the William Shatner books, I am bound to not use it. These people are contractually obliged to never reveal their involvement, with the penalties being both monetary and in the loss of future work. You will note that Shatner dedicates his novels to well-established series writers. This is not coincidence. And it may be helpful for those searching for the evidence I won't give. (sorry!) However, if anyone does find evidence and chooses to edit this entry, I urge you to weigh the ethical implications and the potential impact to working writers' lives.--Drakkenfyre 06:58, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Jewish
There is no mention of Shatner's faith on this page. I wasn't aware of it myself until about 2 minutes ago. Not sure how best to mention it. In the trivia section? I'm not sure it's a well known fact. Mintguy (T) 02:57, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- I knew it from the Simpsons ten years ago (if that can be counted as a source =p ). Did he ever take American citizenship? If not -- I sure hope he didn't do the Molson thing if he did -- as a Tuquistani, I don't like him categorised as "American writer" and "Jewish American". Kwantus 07:18, 2005 Jan 15 (UTC)
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- Both he and Nimoy are Jewish (remember Adam Sandler's Chanukkah song?) but I fail to see how Shatner can be regarded as "American" since he frequently mentions his Canadian heritage whenever someone mistakes him for an American. They joked about it as recently as "Free Enterprise" and that "Invasion Iowa" show. So I'm going to remove the "American" categories. If anyone knows otherwise, please explain and revert. --Feitclub 06:40, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)
- Hi! This article states that Mr. Shatner is of Ukrainian-Jewish ancestry. He is in the category "Jewish-Canadian", but not under "Ukrainian Canadian". I only mention his because he is listed on Ukrainian Canadian as a "famous Ukrainian Canadian". Now I realise that the term "Ukrainian Canadian" usually refers to people who are ethnically Ukrainian, rather than people from other backgrounds that are from the territory of Ukraine. However, I'm not opposed to putting him in the Category of Ukrainian Canadians, but he may not be the strongest example to put on the main page. Does anyone have any more info on this? Does anyone know how he self-identifies? For now I won't change anything, but my plan would be to add him to the category "Ukrainian Canadian" but remove him from the list on the main page for that ethnicity. Any comments? Kevlar67 10:06, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Real life Astronaut
I'm sorry but I take issue with including this line in the opening section. "In 2008, William Shatner will become a full-fledged astronaut, as he will fly into suborbital space aboard a Virgin Galactic private spacecraft." It's an event a reasonable way in the future and as such, in this case, probably shouldn't be in an encyclopaedia entry especially since many things can happen between now and then. Ben W Bell 14:33, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Besides, isn't "astronaut" a term devoted to the fine employees of NASA? Is any slob who sits in a rocket an astronaut? I always thought an astronaut was someone who has been trained for the profession of being a space traveller. I respect Mr. Shatner but he's not a spaceman by trade. -Kasreyn 12:51, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
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- No, an astronaut is the general term for any person who achieves extra-atmospheric flight. There are a good few Air Force test pilots that have earned their astronaut wings during flights that took them so high they were considered to be outside the atmosphere. --Xander the Potato Vanquisher 18:17, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
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- I disagree. The derivation of the word means star sailor and the dictionary defines an astronaut as such. A passenger on a spacecraft would just be a space traveler or something like that. Those test pilots were flying the craft in question so they would be astronauts. Bombot 09:04, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Keeping America Strong with William Shatner
I find it very intriguing and noble of Mr. William Shatner to not only host the Television show “Keeping America Strong”, but to actively promote small entrepreneurial businesses.
Right, these small businesses have to pay for the "opportunity" to talk with Shatner. I doubt he's doing this for a noble cause.
[edit] Pictures
Does anyone have a photo of Shatner from Boston Legal, or indeed anything from the last forty years? DJ Clayworth 15:59, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
- Done :) RadioKirk 23:01, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] VSS Enterprise
Is it just me, or does anyone else find it ironic that the man who played Capt. Kirk will fly aboard Virgin Galactic's VSS (presumably, Virgin Space Ship) Enterprise?! ;) RadioKirk 23:05, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
- Not ironic . . . inevitable! :D KDoug 01:50, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
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- Well, I was referring to the Virgin part, not the Enterprise part... ;) RadioKirk 21:58, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
Removed the bit about the VSS Enterprise trip, as it false information.[2] dc 09:21, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Singing Career
Can someone please add an entry about Shatner's career as a singer? I think many people enjoy this facet of him as an entertainer.
is it worth mentioning his cameo apperance on "Fear of Pop", Ben Folds' electronica weirdness of 1999?
In the top biography section opening the 2nd paragraph is the line "He has since worked as a musician, bestselling author, producer, director, and celebrity pitchman,". Are his contributions as a musician more prominent than the other categories? Somehow it seems out of place. Bbagot 17:58, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Speech
Can't we. Add more about. His famous. Vocal style. On Star Trek? Carolynparrishfan 13:42, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
Technically a person is American if they are from these areas: North, South, and Central America and the Caribbean, since those areas are considered the America's.It's the United States "of" America. It's funny how we can call an native american from south america, but when people say Americans the suddenly think it only refers to the people of the United States, but infact it can technically refer to other groups of people within the Americas.
[edit] Twilight Zone
I've added a reference to Shatner's performances in "The Twilight Zone", which was as far as I can tell two episodes ("Nick of Time" and "Nightmare at 20,000 Feet", two of the better episodes). -Kasreyn 17:24, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
- Those are the only two Twillight Zone" episodes that I am aware of that he appeared in. I also added his starring role in an episode of "The Outer Limits." ZincOrbie 21:39, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, I do believe he was only in the two "The Twilight Zone" episodes. Michael 05:17, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "Memorable quotes"
As of this writing, the article page includes this complete quote from the Molson parody:
- "I'm not a Starfleet commander, or T.J. Hooker. I don't live on Starship NCC-170... (some audience members say "1"), or own a phaser. I don't know anybody named Bones, Sulu, or Spock (picture of Dr. Benjamin Spock is shown on screen behind him). And no, I've never had green alien sex, but I'm sure it'd be quite an evening. (Pomp and Circumstance begins playing.) I speak English and French, not Klingon! I drink Labatt's, not Romulan ale! And when someone says to me 'live long and prosper', I seriously mean it when I say, 'get a life'. My doctor's name is not McCoy, it's Ginsberg (nude picture of Dr. Ginsberg shown on screen). And tribbles were puppets, not real animals. PUPPETS! And when I speak, I never, ever talk like Every. Word. Is. Its. Own. Sentence. I live in California, but I was raised in Montreal. And I believe in priceline.com, where you never have to pay full price for airline tickets, hotels, and car rentals! I've appeared onstage at Stratford, at Carnegie Hall, Albert Hall, and the Monkland Theatre in NDG. And, yes, I've gone where no man has gone before, but... I was in Mexico and her father gave me permission! My name is William Shatner, and I am Canadian!"
An edited audio file (you can tell if you listen carefully to "Pomp and Circumstance") removes the priceline.com reference and the stage appearances. I have the unedited video for anyone who wishes to see it. RadioKirk talk to me 01:45, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
See addition "I am a Canadian" parody citation below.
[edit] Citizenship?
Is Shatner still a Canadian citizen?--MarshallStack 05:04, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Photo.
I guess the old one was removed for violation of copyright? Please, someone, get something better than this one. A recent photo is more appropriate for an article on someone who's still alive. -Kasreyn 01:38, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] 12 O'Clock High and other Early TV Work
I have seen Mr Shatner in an episode of (I think) 12 O'Clock High, a 1960s era B&W TV show about WW2 pilots. In the episode, he plays an angry pilot of German ancestry.
I'm short on details, but it was definately him. Perhaps a researcher could find more?
A quick little bit of research turned up a reference to this on IMDB, and it seems like there's a lot of early TV work listed there that isn't here - is that policy, or should that data be moved into here? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.103.226.30 (talk • contribs).
[edit] How William Shatner Changed the World
Mr Shatner recently did a program for Discovery, the theme of which is that he is responsible for many of the technical advances of the late 20th century. It is entirely tongue-in-cheek, but it does give many examples of fictional Star Trek tech becoming reality when real scientists and engineers are inspired to create what they saw on Star Trek.
Again, I'm short on details here, but that should be enough of a hint to get a researcher started. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.103.226.30 (talk • contribs).
I'm watching this right now on the Discovery Channel, but the name is changed to "How Techies Changed the World"... strange... 85.167.133.203 20:10, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
The page is up...'How William Shatner Changed the World' , Rewt241
[edit] Wiped out financially?
The section of the biography about Shatner's Post-Star Trek career sounds melodramatic. It's difficult to believe that a divorce settlement and being typecast left him "with very little money and acting prospects, living in a truck bed camper" down by the river considering all the TV & film work he was doing plus Star Trek residuals. If the only source for this information is the Shatner himself, this information should be prefaced with "claimed". Ghosts&empties 14:20, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] James E. Morris
William Shatner endorses a western New York lawfirm, James E. Morris on local commercials Rubedeau 04:10, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] didn't his wife die?
Didn't his wife die under mysterious circumstances? I can't find anything about this in the article. --169.231.18.197 09:35, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
I added something about this, and it was taken away... so I've gone in and added it again. It's too big a part of his biography not to discuss it.--Multiverse 08:40, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
- And your new version is fine; in fact, it used to be there, and I didn't notice it was gone. Your original edit—the entire 911 call transcript—would not be appropriate in an article about Shatner, only (perhaps) in an article specific to Nerine's death. :) RadioKirk (u|t|c) 19:11, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Weren't Shatner and his wife separated at the time of her death and heading for divorce? Does anyone know more about this? Perhaps the word separated or estranged should be mentioned somewhere? Bbagot 17:50, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Rocket Man Cover
I think something should be included about his cover of Rocket Man by Elton John. There's more information about it here: Rocket Man
Did anyone else notice that in his cover.....taht Bill didnt inhale his cigerette nor did he even pretend...as soon as it leaves his mouth so does the smoke
[edit] William Shatners full name?
Does anybody know what William Shatners middle name is? OR if he even has one for that matter?
- He has one. At the very least, it's "William Shatner". Don't know if he has a middle name, however. —XSG 20:54, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Created "References in Popular Culture"
Some of the things listed as facts are less facts about William Shatner and more about how William Shatner is reflected in popular culture. To differentiate, I've created a new section. I've also cleaned up several of the facts to sound a bit more authoratative. —XSG 07:34, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Up and coming Birthday
William Shatner will be 76 years old on the day of 2007-03-22
[edit] William Shatners Degree
Did William Shatner have more than a Bachelors Degree and also, what degree was it? B.A. or a B.Sc? Amlder20 17:22, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] How about Loblaw's Commercials
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loblaws 199.43.48.131 05:05, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "How...Changed World" Quote Clarification Needed...
In Memorable quotes section, there is a quote from the "History Channel documentary 'How William Shatner Changed the World'". Well, I've just compiled the page on that topic and watched the whole thing and don't remember such a quote even close to it. I might have to go through the documentary again and delete the quote if warranted.Rewt241
[edit] Show Me The Money
Someone needs to add in information about hosting this new game show that will premier on November 22 (a preview show was on this past Tuesday night at 9:30) on ABC.
[edit] Bill Shantener clip from the 2005 AFI Life Achievement Award
This is a clip from the 2005 AFI Life Achievement Award where Bill Shatner begins the ceremonies for George Lucas. It is brilliant and not included in the list of TV appearances.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p55YD8QhQ3o
[edit] "that same year"
Can someone clarify in the article what year "that same year" is supposed to mean? Heatherfire 15:15, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
- You're right, the intervening sentence made that confusing; it's now fixed. :) RadioKirk (u|t|c) 18:35, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "I am a Canadian" Parody
citation (link to video clip) http://www.justforlaughs.ca/videos/search/1027-willam-shatner-jfl-i-am-canadian?search_terms=I+am+a+Canadian Could someone with "rights" please add this citation to the article?
- It's not the complete video; I have it, I'll see if I can upload it somewhere. RadioKirk (u|t|c) 21:11, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Author
Does anyone have more information to add about Shatner's literary works? Apart from mentioning it in the biography part, information on the subject appears to be lacking. Bbagot 17:54, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
