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[edit] No criticisms section?
In my experience, Win 2000 was MUCH slower than Win NT, or even Win 9x for that matter. It also crashed a lot more. Lengis 01:13, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
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- IME 2000 needs more memory than 9x. If you run any of them in more than about 128Mbytes I found that Win 98 and Win 2k were about the same speed, Win 2k often felt faster but usually wasn't. OTOH if I run Win 95 on a 600MHz machine WITHOUT "Active desktop" explorer is so very much faster it's still horrible to go back to a modern windows OS and machine. As for crashing 95 (no active desktop) was stable if you didn't mess with it, and didn't use MS-Office; OTOH, Windows 2000 didn't crash unless the video driver was crap. 86.16.135.53 07:48, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Discontinued.
This comes up from time to time, where people insist on removing the Category:Discontinued Microsoft software category from the article. Nobody ever explains why they're removing this, but my guess is that people are making a faulty assumption that somehow Windows 2000 is still somehow current. Let's get this straight: Microsoft does not market, sell, plan to improve upon, or provide support for Windows 2000 anymore, except for critical security updates, self-help via their web site, and paid, per-incident support. Now on Wikipedia, we have this category for software that Microsoft isn't continuing to update, hence the term "discontinued". Wiktionary defines "discontinue" as To stop a process; especially as regards commercial productions; to stop producing, making, or supplying something. ... dictionary.com gives To stop doing or providing (something); end or abandon: discontinued her visits to the museum; discontinued ferry service to the island. and To cease making or manufacturing: discontinued the sportscar in the 1960s.
Frankly, that sounds precisely like Windows 2000 to me. I am fully aware that there are fans of Windows 2000 who hate Windows XP and later products (for whatever reason), and I suspect it's people from that crowd that are somewhat in denial about the fact that Microsoft has pretty much completely moved on from Windows 2000, and are thus changing this article to suit their view. Now if someone wants to argue that "discontinued" in Microsoft parlance means something other than discontinued does in English, then feel free to make a case of it here. In the meantime, I'm going to revert removals of this category and treat it as vandalism. -/- Warren 06:18, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Proof that Windows 2000 is not Discontinued
Warren, here is a link that supports my reason for taking the Discontinued Microsoft software category off of the Windows 2000 article.
- 64.126.42.123 00:11, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
- Dude, that page is over five years old. Windows XP and Server 2003 weren't even out when it was published, and if you actually try to follow through on any of the information on that page, you only get access to Windows XP or Server 2003. You cannot purchase Windows 2000 on a volume license agreement these days, nor does Microsoft offer Windows 2000 to OEMs, system builders, or retail channels. What you can do, however, is purchase Windows XP or Server 2003 licenses, and take advantage of downgrade rights to run older operating systems, including NT4, Windows 98 SE, and Windows 95 (but not ME or XP Home) .... but see, that doesn't count; that's there to support people who already have these operating systems and want to be covered by Software Assurance. Read carefully my message above about what "discontinued" means as a word, accept that you're wrong, and move on to something else. -/- Warren 01:06, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] WPA
any chance of a note on lack of WPA, and solutions.. ? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.107.93.248 (talk • contribs) 00:23, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] DirectX and games
I'm surprised this article does not even mention DirectX. Windows 2000 was the first NT-technology operating system widely adopted by power users partly because of its greatly improved support for DirectX based videogames, which NT 4.0 did not work very well with. Windows 2000 was the first NT-technology operating system to reach near-parity with the non-NT operating systems, in compatibility with the latest videogame releases of the time (even if not always games released before Windows 2000), where power users were holding back from NT 4.0 and other operating systems because of the lack of videogame compatibility. New DirectX updates was now finally being released much more quickly (or simultaneously?), very shortly after the updates released for the non-NT based Windows. Mdrejhon 15:20, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
- I added a brief section about this. It's not worth writing too much about it though, since Windows 2000 was primarily a business operating system. I'm pretty sure those features were only added for the sake of Windows XP. Redquark 03:44, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
- Agreed. Ta bu shi da yu 06:14, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] added criticism section
Was surprised to see this article made it to FA status without containing a "criticism" section; I've made a start on one. Sdedeo (tips) 01:21, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
- I renamed the section to "security flaws", since that's what almost all the criticisms were about. As for the Scientology investigation thing, I don't think that's notable enough to mention since nothing came out of it. Redquark 03:18, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
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- How is that note about scientology possibly a CRITICISM of Microsoft??
Sure, np. It would be nice to get some statistics on patches, etc. Sdedeo (tips) 04:15, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Market share?
Just how dominant was Windows 2000 during its heyday compared to its competitors (Novell, Linux and commercial Unix I guess)? It would be relevant to have some market share percentages in the article. Redquark 03:49, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] No information on source leak?
This article doesn't have any information on the Win2K source leak which took place withink the past two years or so- I don't know enough offhand to edit, but this should be fixed by someone in the know. Scott! 10:49, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Maybe that should be in a separate article, if it isn't already. It's newsworthy, but I don't think its central enough to be in the main article. Oh, and I'm not in the know...Ojcit 02:36, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
- "Windows 2000 Source Leak" redirects to this article. If this article contains no information about it, the redirection should be elimintated. 68.102.127.239 17:33, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
- I added a short section on the source leak under "History". Wesha 18:48, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
- "Windows 2000 Source Leak" redirects to this article. If this article contains no information about it, the redirection should be elimintated. 68.102.127.239 17:33, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
- Maybe that should be in a separate article, if it isn't already. It's newsworthy, but I don't think its central enough to be in the main article. Oh, and I'm not in the know...Ojcit 02:36, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] History
"The only elements of the Windows project which were included in Windows 2000 were the ability to upgrade from Windows 95 or Windows 98, and support for the FAT32 file system." What does this actually mean? 'the Windows project' is vague and odd - is it calling Windows Neptune 'the Windows project'? It seems erroneous in that case, as Windows 2000 is just as much a Windows project as Neptune was, surely? And I didn't get the impression that Windows 2000 was developed from Windows Neptune from the article, so why would elements of Project Neptune be included in Window 2000? Does it in fact mean to say 'The only elements of Windows Neptune that were included in Windows XP were...'? Whatever it is, I think it needs clarifying. Scatterkeir 21:12, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Semi-protection
Why is this article semi-protected? Per Semiprotection#When not to use semi-protection, the FA should almost never be semi-protected. I suggest the tag should be removed. --Richardrj talk email 10:35, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
- Perhaps, except that people evidently aren't watching the page carefully enough. A huge bit of vandalism escaped for several hours. Maybe if admins or others can be more diligent? And besides, as this is semi-protection I am not stopping vandals. You should also be aware that this article was on the main page and was being attack via a concerted effort. - Ta bu shi da yu 13:02, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
- OK. Sounds like you were unlucky if vandalism wasn't spotted for several hours; normally vandalism to the FA gets removed in a matter of minutes. I realise it was on the main page - more than that; it was the FA - that was my point. Semiprotection of the FA is normally frowned upon because:
- the FA is invariably improved by being the FA;
- vandalism is normally spotted and removed quickly;
- it goes against the WP ethos - first-time visitors should be able to come to the site and see how easy it is to make constructive changes.
- However, I don't have a stake in the article like you do, so I'm relaxed about your retaining the tag. Now that it's no longer the FA, though, the vandalism will surely abate. I just thought I'd better make you aware of the semiprotection policy, in case you weren't already. --Richardrj talk email 13:20, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
- Richard, I realise you probably didn't mean to do this, but it seems to me you're lecturing me about semi-protection and FA articles! Believe me, I'm well aware of when and when not to apply protection to articles. I've placed the article under semi-protection for a few hours, I'm about to go to bed however. If someone wants to remove it while I'm asleep, that would be fine. If people could watch it after it is unprotected, that would be great. - Ta bu shi da yu 13:33, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
- OK. Sounds like you were unlucky if vandalism wasn't spotted for several hours; normally vandalism to the FA gets removed in a matter of minutes. I realise it was on the main page - more than that; it was the FA - that was my point. Semiprotection of the FA is normally frowned upon because:
[edit] Subsystems
It says there are 3 subsystems in user mode, but then lists a fourth, the integral subsystem. Might that information be better listed elsewhere? I'm not qualified to judge its notability. Ojcit 02:19, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, there are two main subsystems of user mode Windows 2000: environmental and integral. It actually says that the environmental subsystem has three subsystems of its own. - Ta bu shi da yu 08:36, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Development of Windows 2000
I created the article, Development of Windows 2000, but is incomplete yet. Please help to retrive from SuperSite: http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/win2k_gold.asp
--Jigs41793 12:14, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
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- Um, I noticed the page is a red link.. FYI
--Illyria05-- 00:56, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] 217.235.244.45's Recent Edit
Hi, I was just now correcting some grammar errors, and I was curious as to what 217.235.244.45 added, as the person did not include an edit summary (this is their edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Windows_2000&oldid=98656925), and I noticed that NTFS 5 was changed to NTFS 3, I do not know anything really about that, but I thought it was noteworthy to talk about here.. You decide.. --Illyria05-- 00:54, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
- The NTFS versioning thing is a bit of a pain. It's mostly explained in the NTFS article, but to summarise, calling it version 3 (for the on-disk format) and version 5 (for the OS it ships with) are both correct. We should go with whatever is most prevalent in the sources we use. -/- Warren 01:04, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
- This is correct, and why I didn't revert (I have a watch on this article). --Ta bu shi da yu 20:58, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Oh, okay, thanks, I just was not sure, and I do not know much about NTFS versioning anyway.. Illyria05 (Talk • Contributions) 01:48, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Service packs?
Ive heard people say that windows 2000 SP2 and 3 ran faster than SP4. Someone even said they were more secure than SP4. Is there any truth to any of this? Just curious. Mr toasty 21:55, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
- Windows 2000 SP4 is said to be slower than SP3 as well as less stable. However, SP4 allows for some new security updates not avalible to SP3 such as the Update Rollup 1. This update includes some final bug fixes and security updates to Windows 2000 and can only be downloaded on machines running the SP4. Further more, June 30th 2005 marked the end of support for SP3. Because of this, all current security hotfixes install only on Windows 2000 SP4. This means that SP4 is probably more secure overall. Jdlowery 04:03, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Did window 2000 have a firewall and how can I access it?
I have looked around for a firewall for one of our server without success. It runs 2000, and haven't thought of messing around with firewall till today. On XP, this is obvious, which make me suspect 2000 may not have had a firewall. Is this feeling correct? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.128.164.51 (talk) 14:04, 19 February 2007 (UTC).
- First, this is not a question/answers forum. Please don't post such questions on here.
- In response to your question, the answer is yes and no. There is no 'simple' interface for configuration, but you can craft IPSec rules - take a look at this.-Localzuk(talk) 16:47, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] "Discontinued" status
If a product is still being supported (even though extended support), then how can you call it discontinued? - Ta bu shi da yu 01:39, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- Microsoft no longer markets, sells, or fully supports Windows 2000 any more. Extended support is provided, but you can no longer go to a computer store and purchase Windows 2000 software from a shelf, let alone order it from Microsoft. Extended support is given as a second phase of support giving large businesses more time to migrate from a product.See Microsoft Lifecycle Policy for more details. Jdlowery 04:25, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
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