Talk:YF-23 Black Widow II

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1 YF-23 bomber
2 "more maneuverable"
3 Speed inconsistency
4 Ace Combat
5 A funny

[edit] YF-23 bomber

reference: http://63.99.108.76/ubb/Forum2/HTML/006523-2.html (scroll to the bottom) forum thread contains the Flight International article, though the flightinternational.com link appears to be dead ✈ James C. 02:56, 2004 Jul 30 (UTC)

[edit] "more maneuverable"

"...it is often claimed that the YF-23 was...more maneuverable...than its competitor..."

is that actually a frequent claim? i have never heard it. what would be the reasoning behind that claim? the YF-23's lack of thrust vectoring alone makes it seem quite dubious to me that it would be more agile than the YF-22 (particularly in the post-stall regime), however i am not an aerodynamicist. ✈ James C. 03:08, 2004 Jul 30 (UTC)

It's probbaly that it lack thrust vectoring. It's very maneuverable (Flight Simulator :P). Irfanfaiz 13:06, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

The YF-22 was only more manouverable at low speeds. And the difference in manouverability at low speeds wasn't great, the YF-23's unusual shape combined with fly-by-wire made it nearly as manouverable as the Raptor. YF-23 18:38, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Try this site: http://www.vectorsite.net/avf22.html It claims that the YF-22 was more maneuverable

[edit] Speed inconsistency

This article says that the F-23 was faster than the F-22, but the stats on the F-22 page state that its max speed is 1,600 mph, while the F-23's max speed is listed as 1,400 mph. This needs to be addressed.

The YF-23's max speed is classified, the only numbers available are 1.4 Mach for full military power and 1.8 Mach for full power. Obviously, the jet could go past Mach 1.8, but the Air Force isn't talking...Alot of people associated with the program have hinted that the YF-23 was faster than the YF-22. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.183.6.213 (talk) 03:46, 1 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Ace Combat

Added to the 'popular culture' section that it was featured in "Ace Combat Zero", since it was.

Sorry, but the Wikiproject:Aircraft decided that only simulations can be mentioned in popular culture. Or movies like Top Gun for the F-14 page. LWF 23:22, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually, there's really not much for this aircraft that really falls under "simulation". --Mmx1 17:25, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

"Ace Combat Zero" has been added again, along with several other games. I am restoring the list as it was the date Mmx1 removed that game. - BillCJ 06:49, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Can you really claim that "U.N. Squadron," a side-scrolling shooter, is more of a "simulation" than any of the Ace Combat games? Even more "modern games like "Airforce Delta" and "Lethal Skies" are no more "simulation" than Ace Combat. If anything, the games of the Ace Combat series are far more refined and popular than these more obscure games. For instance, IGN, which while not perfect, has a pretty good rating system, rates Airforce Delta Strike a 6.4, Lethal Skies 7.7, and then Ace Combat 04, 5, and Zero a 9.1, 9.3, and 8.8 respectively. By those rights, I believe that the Ace Combat series deserves being mentioned far more than these other games. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.0.187.13 (talk) 07:13, 19 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] A funny

From the lighter side of aviation - the comment about reports that the YF-23 was faster and stealthier reminded me of a humourous letter in Air Forces Monthly back in the day, in which the author, with tongue-in-cheek, castigated the magazine for saying the YF-23 "appeared stealther". He pointed out that a synonym for that would be "the YF-23 was obviously less obvious"... - Aerobird 01:46, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

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