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1 Question on Ancient Egyptian agriculture
2 Shu'ubiyya
3 Egypt
4 Re
5 Image:Boutros Boutros-Ghali.jpg
6 good job on the Egyptian Identity section

[edit] Question on Ancient Egyptian agriculture

Hi there Zerida, I'm one of the editors involved with the influenza page. We are looking for some academic references or discussion of ancient Egyptian animal agriculture. In particular, any information on if they had pigs and waterfowl/fishfarms. If you have information on this, please drop a note on my talk page. Thank you. TimVickers 22:10, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shu'ubiyya

Can you give an example of a Non-Persian Shu'ubi.In fact Shu'ubiyya is a movement happened mostly among Iraqi Persians (where there was a connection or perhaps conflict between Arabs and Persians). I never heard of Coptic , Berber or Aramean ;also Arameans or to be more accurate Syriac did not convert to Islam .NOTE:Shu'ubiyya refers to a movement during the medieval period Not modern. Thank you--Aziz1005 02:37, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

You rather conveniently skipped over the present-day Muslim Aramean communities of Syria. The villages of Bakh'a and Jubb'adin are entirely Muslim and Aramaic-speaking. And of course lots and lots of Aramean natives of Syrian-Palestine and Iraq eventually converted to Islam and today speak the local varieties of Arabic; that's a matter of historical record (setting aside Arab nationalist sentiment). As to Shu'ubiyya, the article stated that the movement was primarily Persian but that records of Egyptians, Berbers and Arameans staging similar protests are attested, which is of course correct. Egyptians, for example, regularly revolted against the Arab invaders in the first 2 centuries following the Arab occupation of Egypt. This is briefly explained in the Egyptians article. The battles between Berbers and Arabs are quite well-known. Zerida 08:27, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I lived in Syria most of my life , and I do not need some one to tell me that I was Aramean. This could be right but as long as I consider my self an Arab and I can not speak Aramic that's it; now I am an Arab. By the way this is the first time I know that people of Bakh'a and Jubb'adin speak Aramic. The only Two towns that still speak Aramic in modern Syria are Maloula and Saidnaya which are Syriac Christian Towns. Nowadays most Christians in Syria Don not consider their selves as Aramean because they only speak Syriac at churches. Also you should bear in mind that not all Christian in Syria are originally Aramic; some are Arab like Ghassanied and malakia church (الكنيسة الملكية).

You did not give me an example of an Aramean or Berber poet or writer who was Shuo'obi where as you can find Shu'ubies Persian poets easily such as بشار بن برد.

What are the names of that battles between Berbers and Arabs? I think you should read Islamic history because those battles happened everywhere in the Early Islam even in the Arabia; so is that mean Arabia was not Arabic land.

Shu'ubiya is a movement happened after the early Islamic period (mostly Abbasid era). So we are not talking about early Islamic battles--Aziz1005 16:46, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't have the time or the inclination to have debates of that nature. As far as Bakh'a and Jubb'adin are concerned, much linguistic fieldwork research has been conducted on modern Western Aramaic spoken by the indigenous Muslim communities of those regions. That you are unaware of their existence is a separate issue--this much is not open to debate. The article already states in another section that Berbers were the main ethnic group behind the Shu'ubiya movement in Spain after it ended in the east, so there's not much to debate here either. Hafs ben Maymun is an example (who was also murdered because of his views). Zerida 19:09, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Me too, I don’t want to start a new debate with you. Because simply I fed up with all these kind of debates. As I told you before about Ma`loula and Saydnaya, and also Bakh'ka all these villages are in the same area which is called Qalamon (Northern Damascus) also for your own knowledge I have been to these villages many times .In fact people of these villages are Mostly Christians Not Muslims especially Ma'loula, and I think this is the reason why Aramaic survived in that part of Syria; Arabic also considered somehow a developed Aramic. Any way, you did not give an example of Shuwbiya among Arameans. And about Hafs ben Maymun his mureder was a political issue.Wish you the best in your studies--Aziz1005 13:43, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Egypt

Hey Zerida,

I noted with interest your amendments to my own changes on the "Egypt", "Egyptian pound", and "1952 Revolution" pages. I wish to explain the reasons for the changes I made.

A) Egypt

1)Removal of the Ancient Egyptian and Coptic Egyptian names for the country (please note that I have not undone your re-insertion of these names) - this was because those terms are indeed anachronistic as I stated, and are more appropriately placed in the "Etymology" section alone. This is not to cause offense (I myself am Egyptian), but to avoid confusion as these terms are not in use today.

2)Inclusion of the term "Arab World", in addition to already present terms "Africa" and "Middle East" - a common sense addition, given that the Arab World is a distinct geo-linguistic/geo-cultural region in its own right.

3)Re-wording of the section relating to the Yom Kippur War - as you will know, in Egypt this war is referred to as the "October War", so adding this term next to "Yom Kippur War" is both accurate and informative. Furthermore, the pre-existing wording stated that Egypt and Syria attacked Israel, when the more neutral and accurate terminology would reflect that Egyptian and Syrian forces operated solely within their own sovereign territory, and no area of Israel was attacked. Hence, it was an attack against Israeli forces occupying the Sinai Peninsula and the Golan Heights, not an attack on Israel.

B) Egyptian pound

1)Adding focus to the Egyptian/Arabic term for the currency - this is an accurate and common sense edit to inform the reader of the local term for the currency. To omit this explicit reference can cause confusion as to what the currency is actually called by the Egyptian people themselves, whereas its inclusion provides the reader with the full picture.

C) 1952 Revolution

1)This is a most curious term to use for it misstates the nature of the event. In the interests of accuracy, the reader should be made aware that the revolution was an ongoing political event, not merely a coup d'etat, which brought about profound changes in Egypt and the region. Moreover, the term "Egyptian Revolution" is specific, accurate, and accepted, whereas the term "1952 Revolution" is not. Neutrality is not compromised at all by use of this term.

I hope you will not interpret any of my edits, or indeed this message, as arrogance on my part. I merely wish to provide a fuller, more accurate, and neutral body of information for the reader. I am sure this is also your desire. I would be extremely happy to further explore this issue with you so that we can both seek means of achieving this shared goal.

Thanks Louse 07:51, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re

Hmmm. Have you tried WP:RFCU? Khoikhoi 03:18, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

If he's broken 3RR under one account, feel free to just give me the diffs. If they were with multiple accounts, give links to four diffs showing the 3RRvio at the checkuser page. Khoikhoi 09:01, 18 March 2007 (UTC)