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Nerazzuri means black-blues

Contents 1 Supporters 2 The Official Name of the Inter's society 3 The emblem 4 Abbreviation 5 Move 6 Recent statistical report? 7 Youth players in the squad 7.1 Inter Youth 7.2 Leonardo Bonucci 8 Transfer 06/07 8.1 Starting line-up 8.2 Patrick Vieira 8.3 Numbers 9 Some Topics 10 Line up 11 Juve fans bitter? 12 Ended winning streak

[edit] Supporters

What "recent statiscal"? Is there a link to it? The most recent research I found is from 2002. Tomazrui 03:12, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The Official Name of the Inter's society

1908 At the beginning of the century, Milan derbies did not exist. At that time there was only "Milan Cricket and Football Club" (now AC Milan). But on 9 March 1908, a group of rebels form "Football Club Internazionale Milano". The name of the club derives from the wish of its founding members to accept foreign players as well as Italians, hence the name Internazionale. Indeed, the first captain of the side is a Swiss player - Hernst Manktl. The club colours are gold, black and blue, a tradition which has been kept right up to the present day.

The official name is FC Internazionale Milano, NOT Internazionale FC.

Official Site: http://www.inter.it/en/societa/storia.html

The name per official site and uefa.com is F.C. Internazionale Milano

Per lega-calcio.it is Internazionale F.C.

So moved. Matt86hk talk 14:26, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The emblem

If the club is officially called Internazionale,why does the emblem says it's Inter?(didn't it fit on the emblem)

Does anyone know how long Italian organizational copyright lasts? The answer is vital to whether the logo can now be considered public domain.--Jusjih 17:59, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Abbreviation

Football Club Internazionale Milano has never been abbreviated to "Inter Milan"! Milan is the name of the opposite club! I removed that sentence. // CioDu 13:07, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

• If you go to the club's website, you'll see a text in English, which says "WELCOME TO THE OFFICIAL WEB SITE OF INTER MILAN" (bolding by me). So Internazionale is being abbreviated to "Inter Milan", even by the club itself. So the abbreviation belongs in the article. Aecis 15:30, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
• Besides, if you google for "Inter Milan", you get no less than 744,000 hits. So it's more than safe to say that Internazionale is commonly abbreviated to Inter Milan. And it would make sense, because Milan is simply the English name for the city of Milano. Calling the club Inter Milan distinguishes it from for instance Inter Bratislava. Aecis 09:27, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

• I accept that the sentence "WELCOME TO THE OFFICIAL WEB SITE OF INTER MILAN" appears on the front page of the website. It does not, however, appear anywhere else on the website. Nor does it appear anywhere on the club badge; it being abbreviated to the more usual Inter. If you are an Interisti (or even if you aren't) you should know that Internazionale aren't referred to as "Inter Milan" by anyone with a smattering of knowledge of Calcio Italia. user:mike1971inter 08:20, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
• I'm not an Interisti (in Italy, I like Samp best), but I do have more than "a smattering of knowledge of Calcio Italia." And "Inter Milan" ìs commonly associated with Internazionale. The Google Test in itself is proof enough. Ofcourse it's not the only name associated with Internazionale (Juve isn't the only name associated with Juventus either), but the association is there. Aecis 09:03, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
• The Google test doesn't offer any proof. It merely proves that a lot of people/sites are inccorectly referring to Internazionale as Inter Milan. It doesn't mean they are right however. Forza Samp! (My second team in Italia). Mike1971inter 10:23 19 July 2005
• It doesn't prove that they are right, and it doesn't prove that they are wrong. It only proves that the association is common, which is exactly what the intro stated. Aecis 09:30, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

• Perhaps the google test proves something: it proves that, outside Italy, "Inter Milan" is a common abbreviation for Internazionale Milano. Given this, my everyday experience in Italy proves that here nobody abbreviates Internazionale Milano to "Inter Milan" so maybe we could simply explain this difference in the article.
  Note: in case you need more proof that "Inter Milan" is not a common abbreviation in Italy, simply google for "Inter Milan" on Italian language pages only: except for the first result (an error of the webmaster, since that page is not in Italian) all the pages refer to Inter vs Milan matches:
  http://www.google.it/search?hl=it&q=inter+milan&btnG=Cerca+con+Google&meta=lr%3Dlang_it
  // CioDu 10:58, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Here in Italy we use "Inter" to refer to the club, "Internazionale" or "Inter Milan" or any other names aren't used, they're only official names. It is known that Interisti and many Inter-people (like Moratti, Prisco, Facchetti) dislike the term "Internazionale" and they appoint who use that term. So Inter is Inter, and it's Internazionale or Inter Milan only for the official docs. (this was only to make order in your ideas, sorry for my english)

[edit] Move

Please, don't move the page using "cut-and-paste" technique. Use WP:RM procedure instead. Thanks. Monkbel 17:29, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

And if you do move it, please sort out double redirects. Or don't move it.--Audiovideo 18:01, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

The complete side's name is Internazionale Milano F.C. so the articles Internazionale and Internazionale Milano F.C. have to be swapped. The standard for all other sport team's articles is to have the complete name on it... why does Inter have to be different? CapPixel 09:19, 3 November 2005 (UTC) The Official name by U.E.F.A is "F.C. Internazionale Milano".

If you're sure that you will gain support about it, you should begin a vote. You could use guidelines from WP:RM. --Monkbel 21:54, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

I agree with CapPixel, however it has to be redirected from "Inter" 'cause an Italian person will never search for Internazionale Milano F.C., in the same way a non-italian person will search for "Inter Milan". It is sure only that nobody will search for "Internazionale"...

I've already post the move proposal on WP:RM, but nobody is voting it. There's another swap to be done: Talk:A.C. Ancona Calcio. CapPixel 09:18, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

You should read the procedure on WP:RM; you should put the vote to this page. --Monkbel 09:32, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Move request fulfilled. Rob Church ^Talk 11:34, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Recent statistical report?

can you at least cite the source of that survey? this is an encyclopedia, not an Inter fan site. If the anonymous "recent statistical report" deserves to be in the article, than surely the fact that Milan has more trophies than Inter does too. Milan and Inter have an intense rivalry and it MUST be noted that Inter is the less successful of the 2 big Milanese clubs. -Kane December 05.

If the assertion that Milan is the more popular club than Inter is to be included, could there at least be some link to the reference that proves this claim. The statement about Milan having won more cups than Inter is true, but is there a need for this to be mentioned here? Are we to state on Milan's entry that they have won more cups than Inter, or that they have won more than Ipswich Town? It seems unnecessary to me. Mike1971inter 10:42, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

As I explained above Mike1971, Milan and Inter have an intense rivalry, they share a stadium, and there is much animosity between the supporters of the 2 clubs. The fact that Milan has more trophies than Inter is relevant the same way any discussion of Manchester City should include the fact that it is the less successful of the 2 big Manchester clubs. The same goes for Real/Atletico, Roma/Lazio, Spurs/Arsenal, etc. As far as the Lombardy/Global popularity claim, there is more that goes into a club's popularity than attendances at home matches. in the area of television rights, ratings, kit sales and overall global brand recognition can you really dispute that Milan is ahead of Inter? To take nothing away from inter, which is one of the great clubs in all the world, but Milan clearly is more popular. Regardless, I find it curious that you want a reference for the popularity claim, but don't seem to need one for the "recent statistical report" that says Inter is #2 in Italy in terms of popularity. Inter's web site is www.inter.it. There you will be able to find a biased take on the club and it's history. However, wikipedia is an encyclopedia and doesn't necessarily have to present the facts most favorable to Inter Milan. That being said, I propose both claims be left out until either one can be backed up by some FACTS. -Kane December 05.

Thanks for the patronising history lesson. I'm fully aware of the rivalry between Inter & Milan, and the existence of Inter's website. I'd have thought that my name would have given the game away, but nevermind. To pick you up on a couple of points: Inter and Milan both have the same TV rights deal with SKY Sports Italia. You claim that TV rating and kit sales are higher for Milan? I'd like to see you prove this erroneous assertion. Attendances for Inter home games are consistently the same or a little higher than Milan's. I agree with you about the 'recent statistical report', it shouldn't have been added by the contributer concerned. One final point: I think you have got your points a bit mixed-up at the end of your comment about Inter's website and the encyclopaedic nature of Wikipedia. Mike1971inter 09:10, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Mike thanks for correcting me on the "impartial" mistake. What I meant to say was "partial" or better yet "biased." Mike, I don't have time to look up the stats you want me to look up. That's why I haven't added my claims to the article recently. However, I want to ask you man to man, are you really disputing that AC Milan is more popular throughout the world than Inter? Just answer me yes or no then I'll know for sure whether I'm dealing with a rational person or a rabid Interisti who will never acknowledge the truth. The only recent era where that might have been true was when Ronaldo was on the team. As an Inter supporter, why would you even care if your club is more popular or not? It's just the obvious truth, man. I know it in my gut the same way I know Man U. is more popular than Milan, and Real is the most popular of them all. I don't need any statistics or data to know that. The same way I know that Sheva is a better striker than Martins. That being said, I will leave my claims out because I do not have the data.

My intention was not to be patronising. If that's how it came across, I apologize. It's just that it would be a shame to see Wikipedia's football club articles become holy shrines of the respective clubs. For example, why is there no mention that despite the record spending on players by Inter over the last decade or so, eclipsed perhaps only by Real Madrid and post-Abramovich Chelsea, Inter has not won a single scudetto or Champions league(or even come close for that matter, except one year or two in the league, I believe, and of course the semi-final defeat in the Champions to Milan). Inter has consistently had the deepest team talent-wise in all of Europe (and the world) over the past decade, yet have virtually nothing to show for it. Don't you think that deserves more than a passing mention? Should I go to the Milan article and erase the part about Istanbul? There are places all over the internet(team site, fan sites) where we can show and talk about Inter in the most positive way possible. People come to Wikipedia to learn, and if the articles don't have any balance to them, they will walk away with an incomplete story. -Kane December 05

[edit] Youth players in the squad

I am going to remove all the players who are part of the youth squad and, thus, have not played any match for the first team. The article is a mess as it is now, if someone wants to add this terrific list, please join this discussion: anyway, I will not support it. --Angelo 08:31, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Inter Youth

I strongly agree with Angelo this article needs some major clean up and I believe that the youth squad should have there own article. The Inter Youth article could have the current youth players along with the Youth titles. Any other opinions on this topic? Abreuzinho 14:32, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Just like Real Madrid Castilla & FC Barcelona B. And should include some result of Primavera Cup & Primavera league. Matt86hk talk 05:14, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

So what should the article be named? Abreuzinho 15:54, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

There's a subtle but relevant difference between the Real Madrid Castilla and the Inter's youth team: the first one plays a professional league, whereas the Inter youth team is part of a parallel, youth-only, tournament, which actually has no kind of interest from both media and fans. My opinion is we should remove all the youth team squads, since its players usually do not agree the notability principles. Instead, I guess a paragraph about the youth organization of the team (without the squads) inside the current article would be an acceptable idea. --Angelo 16:07, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

The article also mentions Youth Trophies in my opinion it should go as well, this article is about the first team not the youth ones. Abreuzinho 20:47, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

There's neither any difference or separation between the main team and the youth one in Italy; should we make an article for each youth team? It's not just Primavera, there are several grades (Allievi Nazionali, Allievi Regionali, Giovanissimi, and down to the 9-years-old Pulcini), so the comparison with the Spanish teams is simply impossible. Sorry but I can't see how an article solely dedicated to Inter's youth levels could be notable enough even for surviving a deletion process. Just a paragraph for a not-so-exceptional youth team (you know, the better ones are Juventus, Empoli, Atalanta, Torino and others) is far enough for the issue. --Angelo 22:20, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Or just keep Primavera, On Liverpool F.C., Celtic F.C. they have a reserve/youth squad list. And Manchester United F.C. Academy is a subpage. Matt86hk talk 04:50, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

In fact the "Man Utd academy" article now seems to have been submitted for deletion. In addition, I do not agree with the opportunity to include the youth squad lists in any football club article, except if the team plays in a pro league (such as Real Madrid Castilla), since it's merely a list of non-notable players. That's all. --Angelo 11:33, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

There is Liverpool F.C. Reserves also. Matt86hk talk 14:21, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Look at that article, and then tell me what kind of content a standalone article would add. I don't see any kind of possible expansion in it (as in a supposed Inter Primavera article), so a paragraph is quite sufficient. --Angelo 14:55, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Leonardo Bonucci

He's listed twice under the U-20 team, under different shirt numbers - unless he's cloned himself... which number is correct? If I had to guess, I'd pick the higher one (after all, since he made his 1st team debut this season, I would assume he was given a higher number to reflect his status), but I don't follow Inter one bit, so I can't say. ugen64 23:26, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

The section is outdated. It is 05/06 season. Half of the team loaned out. Just wait for 06/07 squad and update all. Matt86hk talk 03:58, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Transfer 06/07

Should it include Portuguese U-17 international striker José Manuel Barbosa Alves "Coelho"signed form Porto.? He would likey play for youth team.

And who is Rafi Cohen (from Hapoel Petah Tikva).

rafi cohen was israel's national team goalkeeper several years ago but surly isn't on a verge of joining inter- it's simply a joke. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.1.221.81 (talk • contribs) 7:20, 24 August 2006 UTC.

On transfer list cannot found his name. Matt86hk talk 04:03, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Starting line-up

I think 06/07 line-up is crystal box. I changed some names per 05/06 Appearances. Matt86hk talk 12:20, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Patrick Vieira

I'm not sure why it was changed in the first place and now reverted back to Patrick Vieira now playing for Inter. The news was already reported weeks ago that he will move there so there was no point in keeping him on Juventus. Next time try to be more aware of what you're actually doing when you revert what has been placed.

-- Kallenovsky 09:59, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

lega-calcio.it, juventus.com and inter.it announced today (2nd August). Newspaper not a good source. Matt86hk talk 20:04, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't get information from the newspaper, thanks. Also Coco, Choutos, and many others have returned to the club. This one you can find over at the football transfers website. The Lega Calcio website is not a very relibale source as they do not update quickly enough. You're doing a good job monitoring otherwise. Thank you for your hard work.

-- Kallenovsky 03:45, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Numbers

How do you know the player numbers they havent even been released yet?! Unless you actually do know them put TBD or something else. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.59.66.162 (talk • contribs) 11:34, 17 August 2006 UTC.

Are the players' numbers official? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bloodbrother (talk • contribs) 21:36, 26 August 2006 UTC.

[edit] Some Topics

I have a couble of topics to talk about in this article.

• First of all, the famous player section has an over done amount of players, there should be only around half as much, some players aren't even notable at all but are still included.
• I realy don't think the championship squad for each title should be listed, it's too much. If the information is to be included make an article for Inters title and list the information there, ex. FC Barcelona in Europe.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Abreuzinho (talk • contribs) 22:15, 3 August 2006 UTC.

Q's

Why do Inter have a England flag on their shirt (back of neck)? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.152.14.61 (talk • contribs) 19:57, 28 October 2006 .

It's not the English flag, it represents the coat of arms of Milan. --Angelo 21:09, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Line up

What is the meaning of this line-up? Did they really started all of their 10 league games with this line-up? Where are thereferences?--BaldClarke 17:04, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I think this section should be removed since the lineup can and will change every game. // Laughing Man 17:34, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I will like to add Inter formations at football-lineups as line-ups references --Jor70 20:03, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Juve fans bitter?

"Juventus fans will be bitter to see their star players, such as Patrick Vieira and Zlatan Ibrahimović leave for Inter.." Is there any source for this? Why would Juve fans be bitter? In fact, we (Juve fans) consider them traitors. That's a well known fact. Saurabh Sardeshpande 12:46, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ended winning streak

the winning streak ended tonight, at 17 consecutive victories. the "ending" match was the 1-1 draw with udinese at san siro. --82.59.132.121 22:31, 28 February 2007 (UTC)