Talk:Fabio Grosso
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[edit] Keep the discussion
Pertaining to how to make this encyclopedia article better. Not how much you hate the player. Sasquatch t|c 22:17, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Vandalism
Is there a reason for the excessive amount of vandalism on this page? Michael 03:15, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
- The player was involved in a controversial play in which he appeared to dive (video evidence seems to point to a dive, but I don't think it's as conclusive as some people say) and earned a penalty for Italy. That, understandably, angered some fans and for some people, reinforced the Italian team's image as divers. And the goal he scored to put Italy in the World Cup final increased his notoriety further.Ytny 03:22, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
- Oh, I see. Last night, I just looked at the recently changed articles and reverted some vandalism that was here. Since then, I've noticed a lot more. Thanks for explaining it. Michael 03:23, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
- Do you think a semi-protect is appropriate here, especially with the World Cup final coming up this weekend?Ytny 03:25, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
- I do. From what I've seen, the vandals aren't backing down. It's not as if there is just one-there are quite a few. Semi-protect is probably the best course to take, at least for the present time. Michael 03:27, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Acknowledging the huge amount of vandalism, there appears to be some overly cautious reverts that are destroying content.--203.126.142.231 10:33, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
- I agree it's worth noting that people criticized him, but "universally took a dim view of" is unencyclopedic and POV. While there were certainly lot of journalists who criticized Grosso, there were significant voices who believed he didn't dive, and others who did not castigate him. Maybe you can pick one notable pundit who share the view. Listing articles that support one POV is hardly proof that the opinion is universal. Ytny 19:13, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
- I agree that "universally took a dim view at" is not a good description. Also, the "independent press" the author cited as criticising Grosso came from only British and Canadian sources, hardly "independent". The sentence should be removed altogether.--Alexio 05:06, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
- Why would the British and Canadian press not be independent for this purpose? It was an Italy-France game. The Canadians didn't make the world cup, and the Brits didn't face either country. I could see you arguing that American press would be biased due to the nasty Italy game, or Australian press due to their last-minute penalty loss, but the Brits and Canadians seem safe to me. Vickser 14:47, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
- Is there any need for this article say 'he was tackled by himself'? How could he tackle himself? Surely he was tackled by Lucas Neill? To avoid controversy could it not read 'he went down under a tackle by Lucas Neill' which is vague but also avoids the use of the terms 'foul' and 'dive'. Some say it was a foul, some say it wasnt. Some say it was a dive, some say it wasn't. Atamata 16:38, 11 Sep 2006
- He clearly dived. It should be stated in the document that the penalty was deemed as questionable by the media around the world... Which it was. If anyone would care to watch the video Lucas Neill went down first and then Fabio Grosso ran towards him and fell. The only movement Lucas made after he went down was to try and get out of the way. People must not shy away from saying that he dived by saying it is POV. It is true.
- Actually, the angle provided in the link shows that it was clearly not a dive on Grosso's part. As a result, I am adding that in to the article, beside the sentence that states Australians believe that he dived. The evidence is in, and it's in video. It's time to grow up, and leave this page alone. -Izzo
- Is there any need for this article say 'he was tackled by himself'? How could he tackle himself? Surely he was tackled by Lucas Neill? To avoid controversy could it not read 'he went down under a tackle by Lucas Neill' which is vague but also avoids the use of the terms 'foul' and 'dive'. Some say it was a foul, some say it wasnt. Some say it was a dive, some say it wasn't. Atamata 16:38, 11 Sep 2006
- Why would the British and Canadian press not be independent for this purpose? It was an Italy-France game. The Canadians didn't make the world cup, and the Brits didn't face either country. I could see you arguing that American press would be biased due to the nasty Italy game, or Australian press due to their last-minute penalty loss, but the Brits and Canadians seem safe to me. Vickser 14:47, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
- I agree that "universally took a dim view at" is not a good description. Also, the "independent press" the author cited as criticising Grosso came from only British and Canadian sources, hardly "independent". The sentence should be removed altogether.--Alexio 05:06, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
