Talk:Family dictatorship
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"Singapore, Lee Kuan Yew plans to transfer power to his son Lee Hsien Loong "
What position does Lee Hsien Loong hold in the government? What about PM Goh? --Jiang
Isn't Singapore democratic, anyway? user:J.J.
- Nominally so, but the same party has held power since independence and the opposition have had very very poor showings throughout that time. If it smells like a duck... Morwen 20:02, 9 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Goh may be PM, but Lee Kuan Yew has stayed on as "Senior Minister" and it's pretty clear who calls the shots if push comes to shove. Lee Hsien Loong is Deputy Prime Minister, and it's already been announced that he will succeed Goh. --Jpatokal
At any rate, they haven't died in 2005, as the article states. Actually, to be consistent with the rest of the list, first and last years of the term should be listed. - Lev 12:19, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Regarding Jiang's question, Goh became Prime Minister in 1990 and remained so for 14 years. In 1991, when Goh became the Secretary-General of the People's Action Party, it was recognized that the power transition was completed. Should the entry really be in here? The gap between the two Lees (14 years) is longer than the one between GHWB and GWB (8 years?). Also, Lee's rule is not recognized as a dictatorship except by dissidents, hence the label is POV. Unless the title of the article is changed, that entry should be removed. --Vsion (talk) 01:38, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
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- The gap is irrelevant, what matters is that the succession happens, and that it happens in a nominally democratic state (ie. there are no laws setting forth the succession).
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- The statement "not recognized as a dictatorship except by dissidents" is meaningless, as the last person to officially adopt the title was Sulla back in 81 BC. I'm sure that if you ask the North Korean embassy, KIm Jong Il isn't a dictator, he's a Great Leader elevated by the free will of the masses yadda yadda, just like Loong-Loong.
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- That said, I agree that the current title is a little inflammatory and am open to suggestions for better ones. The new title should, however, be able to convey the facts that the succession is a) not monarchical, and b) happens without direct, free elections (ie. the Bushes can't really be considered a family dictatorship). Jpatokal 08:54, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
George HW -> George W doesn't count? BL 20:03, 9 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- Well, the last I checked HW was still alive, and there was quite a long hiatus between them. Morwen 20:05, 9 Nov 2003 (UTC)
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- These aren't all dead. People retire. Secretlondon 20:06, Nov 9, 2003 (UTC)
W. wasn't groomed to succeed his father. Few would have expected him to become president in 1993. It was the Republican Party that handed the opportunity to him, not his father. --Jiang
I think there are more in the CIS - needs research. The BBC had an article on it but I can't find it anymore. Secretlondon 20:05, Nov 9, 2003 (UTC)
Here is the article: Dynasties of the ex-USSR -TwinsFan48
It's not clear that Kim Jong-nam will succeed Kim Jong-il. See [1] --Jiang
