Talk:Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer

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Contents 1 Who was the original author on this? 2 Linking characters 3 alba quotes 4 Page moves 5 Requested move 5.1 Survey 5.2 Discussion 6 Doug Jones as Silver Surfer 7 Galactus??? 8 Plot summaries 9 Name Change issue 10 Trailer 11 Silver Surfer's eyes 12 Doug Jones interview 13 Images need fair use 14 From the cast list

[edit] Who was the original author on this?

I don't mean "who" in the sense of a username, but "who" as in whether they work for the studio or not. 24 refs for a movie that hasn't even been released yet? While I cannot fault the quality of the entry or the thorough professionalism, it raises the possibility that wikipedia.org is being hijacked as a marketing vehicle for the film industry.

Robertstjames 14:45, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

A lot of future film articles have easier to find news articles on them, unlike past films which are more difficult. WikiNew 15:28, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Linking characters

i dont think its neccesary to put a link for every character in the movie to the marvel directory page when they can just click on there names on be directed to there page on wikipediaCurefreak 20:23, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] alba quotes

I like how only Alba has quotes. This is the movie business. Loodog 00:54, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Page moves

Do not move this page OR redirect it, unless there's a citation provided, a discussion, AND someone who can move the talk page can do the move for you. There were a large number of bounce around redirects, and some edit warring about them. ThuranX 04:07, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

YET AGAIN THE SAME PERSON HAVE MOVED THE PAGE. And by "MOVE" I mean, copy , paste, redirect. not actual moves. There is absolutely NO valid reason to hijack a page, ever. there is NO reason to MOVE this page. The title of the film is 'Fantastic Four and the Silver Surfer'. Unless there's a press release notifying anyone of a change in title, leave the page here. ThuranX 14:40, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

There's confirmation. --Erik 15:29, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh. my error. Since there was no proof the first time the other editor made the move, and he didn't use citation... Ok, let's get an official page move done, instead of the strange cutting and pasting that ws previously done, so we can take the talk with us.ThuranX 16:21, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

[edit] Doug Jones as Silver Surfer

Doug is now officially signed for the role, but there has been no - I repeat NO - decision as to who will provide the voice. Hellmistress 20:24, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. For any dissenters, IGN says, "Doug Jones (Hellboy, Pan's Labyrinth) has also been confirmed as the Silver Surfer," and "The voice of the Silver Surfer has not yet been cast." --Erik 20:41, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Galactus???

How is Galactus going to appear in this film, anyway? Are they going to follow the same storyline as the comics? Scorpionman 17:59, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Nothing about the big G has yet been published. When we see sources and citable information, it will be added. ThuranX 05:39, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Plot summaries

Do we really need such an extensive recap of the end of the first movie, all to say that Doom will return? I think not, but want other opinions. ThuranX 04:33, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Nah, smite it. --Erik (^talk/_contrib) @ 04:43, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Smoten it. Also ,changed it to a Premise, since we still lack a confirmed plot outline. please review? ThuranX 05:23, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I think the second paragraph could be dropped into the Cast section, but mention the return of Doom in the first paragraph of the Premise section. --Erik (^talk/_contrib) @ 05:40, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

You certainly didn't wait for very many opinions before changing it ThuranX. LEX LETHAL 06:06, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Nothing's stopping you from taking a look at the edits I'm making and helping out. I'm just organizing it to reflect greater accurcy,increasing citation throughout the article, and so on. If you have an idea, no one's stopping you. ThuranX 06:15, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I thought I was helping out. Instead of you helping me out with my edits, you disagreed with my changes, asked for opinions (and got 1) and then deleted the whole section. I'm providing feedback. Before I get a chance to support my reasons for making changes, suddenly I'm invited to make suggestions to your changes. Weird. LEX LETHAL 06:25, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

In addition ThurnaX, I can see by some of your comments on this Talk page that you are insistant on how things should be run on this page. LEX LETHAL 06:29, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

If you look at the history, you'll see that Erikster and I have been working with a number of editors regularly to improve this page. I asked for other opinions. While you were quick to speak AFTER changes, you didn't speak before. If you feel the changes I made are worth disagreement, say something. Let's hear your reasons, and see if there's a good compromise. Finally, sometimes tehre's no reply at all by earlier editors, who feel that any questioning of their edits is hostile. Instead I asked, I got a reply, I acted. according to WP:BOLD, I didn't even have to do that. As I've said before, if you have an idea, go for it. ThuranX 15:11, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

LEX LETHAL, welcome to Wikipedia. Please excuse the swift change that we made to the article in regard to the Plot section. The reason I suggested the removal of the summary of the previous film is that the information is already available on Fantastic Four (film). I didn't explain my reasoning because having worked with ThuranX for a while, I just didn't feel that it was necessary to elaborate my reasoning. Furthermore, FF2 has been a pretty quiet page with little activity, so boldness works better here than an article like Spider-Man 3 to which quite a few editors attend. I've requested suggestions for improvement on talk pages of certain film articles, but I rarely get responses volunteering to help. Hence the need to be bold. There's a certain way for Wikipedia articles to be written, though, like unsourced statements would be frowned upon and reverted. If you attempt to make any changes and find that they have reverted, just ask on the talk page of the article or the user talk page of the user who reverted you about why your changes were not accepted. Hope this clears anything up. --Erik (^talk/_contrib) @ 17:33, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Name Change issue

Given that Sue Storm and Reed Richards marry within the film, it's been asked: How do we report and reflect this within the film?. My suggestion is that we reflect the initial appearnace of characters in cast lists, and allow the plot summary to reflect the growth of the characters. The best exception to this I can see is if the film's actual credits call her Sue Storm Richards, then we'll have to change, as a result of the human ground wave of GIPUS and newbs who will inevitably edit for that. ThuranX 04:14, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

The teaser trailer shows the wedding ceremony being interrupted, so it's possible that Storm doesn't actually become Richards yet. We'll have to see the movie to find out. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 07:05, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trailer

Is the trailer actually posted anywhere on the Internet? Are we going to include info from the trailer? I would, but I can't find it to watch it! ShadowUltra 02:23, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

I believe that once it's widely available to the general public, in a non-pay-to-see manner, we'll be able to cite it easily, and without objections that the materials added aren't readily verifiable. Probably a week or so, maybe less, and we can add material. ThuranX 06:43, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

I saw the trailer countingdown.com. there is a link but don't go to the yotube one ther's two links the one on youtube was removed and the trailer dosen't have good quality but you can see most of what's going on. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.21.231.60 (talk • contribs) 18:43, December 24, 2006 (UTC)

The talk page is for discussing changes to the article: not for asking for trailers. Wikipedia isn't a chat site. RobJ1981 01:05, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Official source for teaser trailer has been added to the External links in the article. Go forth and enjoy. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 18:49, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm not asking for a damn trailer i am telling you where it is ok. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.21.231.60 (talk • contribs) 02:44, December 27, 2006 (UTC)

Quit being uncivil and grow up. I added a link to the teaser trailer in the article, and I used this talk page's "Trailer" section to announce the addition accordingly. Nothing to do with you and YouTube. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 06:50, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

I WILL FUCKING END YOU ALL HAHAHAHAHAHA...HA.FUCK YOU.

Just so you all know, I am not the anonymous user who posted the above comment. That's someone else. My IP is 69.244.235.160 ShadowUltra 03:41, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

No worries. The difference in the typing was discernable. Your typing is more proper than the anonymous IP. Hope you enjoyed the trailer. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 07:48, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Silver Surfer's eyes

The initial promotional picture of the Silver Surfer had visible eyes, but I saw somewhere in the past couple of days a new picture of the Silver Surfer without the eyes (like the canon Surfer) was released. Can anyone verify if this new picture was an official change or not? —Erik (talk • contrib) - 22:07, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

SuperHeroHype.com covered it. We might want to update the picture with the new one. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 22:13, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Doug Jones interview

Sci-Fi.com [1] has an exclusive interview with Doug Jones. In it, he explains that he sees the Surfer as "they go so far deep into his backstory" and that he is a "reluctant bad guy" who took on a 'sacrificial and christlike' theme to protect his own world. He went on to say it was an honor to play him. Can we work this into the article? (also, not sure how long that will remain up, nor how to find and cite it after Sci-Fi drops it from it's top banner.) ThuranX 05:05, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Images need fair use

Just to let any editors of this article know that the movie screenshots need fair use rationales. Look to some passed GA/FA films for examples. By adding these, it will prevent them from being deleted. --Nehrams2020 04:25, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Are we missing one? the images currently on page all have Licensing templates for fair use attached. ThuranX 17:26, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

He means "fair use rationale" like the one for this image. —Erik (talk • contrib • review) - 17:30, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] From the cast list

I removed Vanessa Minnillo, Crystal Lowe and Brian Posehn from the cast list because a quick look at their pages and at IMDb showed no indication that they have been cast. If anybody has a citation, add it back. CovenantD 06:50, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Posehn is the preacher in the trailer. He's in the film. Can't speak to the other two, but the trailer shows posehn clearly. ThuranX 21:48, 5 March 2007 (UTC)