Talk:Fay D. Flourite

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Contents 1 Speculation in the "Character" Section 2 Page Move 3 Moved 4 CONTACT ME! 5 This article needs to be moved. 6 Misinformation on a Moved Page 7 Other Fai/ Fye related concerns in Wikipedia 8 Info deleted

[edit] Speculation in the "Character" Section

Under the 'spoilers' marking in the character section, where recent events in the manga are discussed, there seems to be a lot of fan speculation as opposed to fact. Statements like "This is most likely why Fai does not want Kurogane to love him and is not letting himself fall in love with Kurogane" need to be pruned out for being fan theory rather than canonical information at this point in time. If all of this is canon information, the section should still be edited for clarity, and to get rid of the very obvious shipper bias. (Note, I'm not against the ship, but Wikipedia is supposed to be a neutral source of info.) I would do this myself, but as I'm following the Del Ray release (unfortunately, as I've heard the translation is awful), I'm afraid of pulling out actual valuable info while trying to prune out the fan theory and speculation. Thanks. megumi 12:44, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Page Move

According to the TRC article, which uses CLAMP's official guide as a source, his name is Fay D. Flourite with a 'y'. This page needs to be moved/renamed. I notice that the article itself uses Fay everywhere to begin with. Comments, anyone? --Remy Suen

[edit] Moved

I moved this page from Fai D. Flourite to Fye D. Flourite, I also changed most of the name spellings to Fye, if anyone doesn't like it, leave a little note on my talk page so we can work things out before we move this page again. ~VNinja~ 18:58, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] CONTACT ME!

Before anyone makes and changes to the spelling of Fye's name CONTACT ME! Why, so we can work things out, because Fye is the offical spelling, used in the orignal Manga, Fay is basicly for mexicans because they pronounce (I think) the "ay" like the ye in Fye and eye, and the offical pronouciantion is rhyming with eye, so it would be Fye! ~VNinja~ 20:28, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This article needs to be moved.

"Fay", not "Fye", is the official spelling of his name, because that is clearly how it was spelled out--in roman characters--in the character guide, that CLAMP wrote, and on various merchandise from Japan. The original manga never spelled it "Fye", because the original manga does not use roman characters. His name is spelled out there as "FAI" in katakana. Since katakana is more a pronunciation guide for foreign words than anything else, more often than not it is not meant to be translated exactly. "Fye" is what the first TRC Internet translators used to make his name look more Western. I don't recall CLAMP ever spelling it "Fye". I would like to see an example of that. As I have seen them spell it "Fay", and as that is the only spelling I have seen them use, I believe it is spelled that way, and I believe Wikipedia should comply. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cherry Espresso (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Misinformation on a Moved Page

The user who keeps moving this page to "Fye D. Flourite" is doing so incorrectly and needs to be stopped. Not even the American edition of the TRC manga, which spell Fay's name wrong, renders it as "Fye." The rationale for the misinformed user's continued movement, as stated above, has something to do with "Mexicans!" What? Could someone in charge please stop this page's pointless and eternal movement? The confusion about this character reads thusly: The spelling for Fay's name is rendered in katakana in the original manga source, which means "phonetically" to English-speakers, and therefore the definitive, official spelling must be made by the character's creators, CLAMP. They have done this, if belatedly, in the form of literally hundreds of pieces of fan merchandise. As the TRC series Wiki - which references original source material, such as the character guide and the CLAMP no Kiseki magazine series - can confirm, there is only one spelling here, and it's "Fay D. Flourite." The "Fye" thing has never been sanctioned by any publisher or manga author, and is, I believe, a very early fan mistake. Katakana does not necessarily line up exactly with romanized spellings, especially when it represents English or European words or names. Rhyming words and whatnot are not a factor, as in the case of any proper name. The longer this page sits under an incorrect title, the more fans it confuses. It's "Fay D. Flourite." Please! Oryssein 08:30, 4 August 2006 (UTC) Oryssein

Discussion is good. I'm sure we'll get to the bottom of this and the article will be at it's correct name. The important thing is to wait for this discussion to take place and not do cut and paste moves, which breaks the edit history. There is no need to rush this. -- Ned Scott 08:43, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

This is a pretty clear-cut case, I think; I left a message on your talk page. I copied and pasted in error, sorry about that. If source material scans would be helpful, I would be happy to provide them. They are plentiful, and illuminating. Oryssein 09:09, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

No problem, I've made the mistake myself a few times.. anyways, Oryssein has provided a scan of the manga to support the spelling of Fay: Image:Fay d flourite.jpg. Seems pretty convincing to me. Unless anyone has anything else to add, we can probably get the page moved pretty soon. -- Ned Scott 09:53, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks very much. I can provide many more images, if they're necessary to convince anyone else. The user who keeps moving this page has promised to do it again (in the comment below), and is, if I may say, according to her user page, a nine-year-old girl. She is also getting her incorrect information from a fan forum, which she believes to be an organic source for official news. Can no one stop this? It's absurd, and, as I suggested before, also misinformation being passed off as authentic - which is, if I'm not mistaken, Wiki vandalism. Oryssein 18:52, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

...It looks like someone is deleting the "Fay D. Flourite" page and redirecting it to the "Fye D. Flourite" page, which we have all by now agreed is the wrong one. This is exactly the opposite of the intended outcome of this discussion. Unless, of course, someone is deleting both pages and making a new one under the proper spelling. Or something. Then the "Fye" page should be going down, too, soon, right? Thanks. Oryssein 02:55, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Ooops, sorry, I guess I need another trip through the F.A.Q. Oryssein 03:03, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

• Rolls eyes* Look, how about instead of arguing, we just leave it like it is? I mean, I'll probly move everything again in a year or so after I forget about this, so let's just keep this like it is!

Also, I get the information of Fye's name from the Tsubasa forums, I'll get a link up later, until now, let's just leave it... ~VNinja~ 16:56, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

We are NOT leaving it like it is, for a year or a week or any other length of time. You are providing misinformation to the public through your tremendous ignorance. If you think that a fan forum has more authority over copyrighted material then does that material's creator, then you have no place editing any Wiki anywhere. If you are disinclined to believe me about the correct spelling, I have posted an image of Fay's name, as it is written in English, by CLAMP, who wrote the manga. Image:Fay d flourite.jpg Fan forums do not provide source material for any purpose besides the explication of fanwork and the discussion of random fan theories. They cannot be cited as authentic sources. Hopefully, the administration here will move the page and prevent you from continually vandalizing it. Oryssein 18:52, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Be quiet, Tsubasa forums is basicly, the only Clamp forum around, so it's information should be held highly... And second, I WAS NOT VANDALISING! I just thought that I was right and everyone else was wrong...

Well anyway, from a recent second trip to the forums, I came across a topic asking what was the offical spelling of Fay's name... And yes, you read right... I spelt it FAY! Ya, so anyway it turns out the you were right all along.... ~VNinja~ 22:29, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I have to say that I'm glad you finally grasped the concept, but I also have to tell you that there are literally hundreds of CLAMP and TRC forums all over the internet, and none of them contain official information. If you are taking things you've found posted on fan forums as solid facts, then all of the Wikis to which you have contributed may be incorrect. Anybody can say anything on a forum, without formal oversight; that's why it's called a "forum," and not an "encyclopedia." The point of the Wikipedia is to post legitimate, informative, and objective information about topics of interest, not to promulgate arbitrary fan theories which have no basis in official source material. No information found at any fan forum should be "held highly," unless it's descriptive of verifiable external content, and it has no place on any Wiki. Hopefully Fay's page will be moved soon, and incorrect data like this will stop appearing here. I mentioned the vandalism problem because you promised to keep editing and moving the page, which would make the Wiki less informative, which is the Wikipedia's own definition of vandalism. If you understand the correction and leave it alone, though, I don't foresee any further problems. Oryssein 23:08, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Really? Well this one was the first one I found interesting... ~VNinja~ 15:59, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

From the article: "Del Rey has yet to publish official corrections". I doubt they are going to go back and correct the name, however they did print the following at the back of volume 9 of Tsubasa which I have OCRd:

The Pronunciation of Fai's Name
Around the same time that Tsubasa Volume 9 came out in Japan, another Tsubasa publication appeared: Tsubasa CHARACTere GuiDE. It summarizes the story, introduces the characters, points out crossover characters, and gives some background information such as production art, interviews, fan contributions, etc. Also included is a romanized (put into our alphabet) version of the characters' names. Considering the wide variety of arbitrary choices in making transliterations of names, two translators will almost never romanize a list of names the same way, and it was pleasing to see that only one continuing character's name was spelled Fye (as some fans spelled it before the Del Rey edition came out), but instead, the way it is spelled in the CHARACTere GuiDE is Fay. Fay D. Flourite.
So if you've been pronouncing Fai's name as rhyming with the word "eye," then you've been pronouncing it properly. The Japanese pronunciation is pretty solid for this. Why spell it Fay? We can't say for sure, but if you use the Spanish pronunciation for "ay" it would have the same sound as the English word "eye," so that may be a clue to the answer.

--Shiroi Hane 14:43, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Is chapter 148 out yet? (ReshenKusaga 18:51, 27 March 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Other Fai/ Fye related concerns in Wikipedia

Hi, i was slightly dissapointed when the image i put up at the Triva section of fai with Chii in episode 22 was removed. I placed that as a special interest since Its nowhere yet in the manga ( Ihavent aquired yet the japanese ones) of Chii being in any of the travled worlds. Not to mention aquiring the right screenshot for that scene was verry difficult to obtain

-- User: layamin August 14, 2006

It's not in the manga because it's from a filler episode, meaning the content was made up by the show's writers. While we may as yet see an alternate Chii in the manga, that episode has no basis in canon and isn't particularly significant to the article. Starlightmusic 02:00, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Info deleted

The information under character that updated current events vital and completely relevant to the character was removed. All info was properly spoiler tagged. I'm also positive that all of the info was correct. Next time, if someone feels the need to delete it again, atleast give a reason why. Added the stuff again.--

It is redundant to keep repeating the fact that the clone stole the eye ("During the same storyline", thats what the last paragraph had just been mentioning.) Moreover, information that does not directly deal with Fay's magical abilies should not be in that section. The recent developments are character and plot developments.--