Talk:Fender Musical Instruments Corporation
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I'm thinking about a page dedicated to the Fender-Gibson rivalry. It'll have stuff on solid-body vs. hollow-body, basses, amps, and that kind of thing. Does it sound useful, and what should I call it if so?Deltabeignet 01:09, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
[edit] CBS era statement
I'm deleting the following quote:
- However, the Fender instruments made in 1966-1979 under CBS are of ahigh quality, and tend to be much better built instruments than the latest Fender products. [citation needed]
This is nearly an exact opposite of both common and professional opinion. See any industry specialist, see the current issue of Vintage Guitar, etc. The overwhelming perception is that quality control started to go down when CBS took over, but did not immediately go from great to mediocre. The period more or less from 1973-1984 was considered the low point, and guitars from both before that era and mid 1980s to present are considered better than the 1970s guitars. I'm not speaking as a professional, but as an industry hobbyist very familiar with about 10,000 guitar products. 146.149.18.6 18:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Gibson-Fender Rivalry
I'm not sure a rivalry page would be that useful, but certainly a page covering electric guitar maintenance that incorporated issues like single-coil vs humbucker, solid-body vs semi-solid-body characteristics etc could be very useful.
[edit] Missing statements to Fender amps
I think some Informations on Fenders amps would shurely be nice on this page. It's not only the guitars Fender is famous for. --de:User:Wickler 11:22, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
Agreed. The Fender Amplifier History page has lots of good information but needs a more encyclopedic rewrite. It's puzzling that amplifiers such as the Champ, Twin Reverb, Deluxe etc don't have their own pages. Tremspeed 22:18, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Picture
Ofcourse the P-bass is a Fender-icon, but to me, a picture of a Stratocaster or a Telecaster would make more sense, since those electric guitars are the core of Fender's business and those are what the brand is most known for.
I agree with the amp-remark above. - FB
The Strat is the definitive icon, for sure, and is still usually the generic shape depicted in dictionary/encyclopaedia/manual entries re the electric guitar. The P-Bass used to be the definitive bass icon when electric solid-body basses were all generically referred to as Fender Basses, irrespective of brand. -NK
[edit] Auto Fender
Guitars are great, but I think fender for automobiles must also have an article in here. I mean, a separate one. Cause it's odd that the site features lots of info about cars and car parts but one for fenders doesn't exist. -mech
- No. Car fenders are completely irrelevant and should not be in the article about the Fender company. Rather, it is Wikipedia practice to start a whole new article on automobile fenders. Oh, and they did, at Fender_(automobile). Ariedartin JECJY Talk 09:15, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Early History?
Why is the early history section included with the entry on the Telecaster? This doesn't make sense. I've come here to learn about Fender and to send me to another entry to find that information doesn't make sense. GaTech-1101 06:14, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] JV/'Japanese Vintage'
I think "well-regarded" is a bit of an understatement, the JV's are as good as the pre-CBS guitars and basses. They used USA hardware and incrediable quality wood. A Squier JV is better than any modern Fender Custom Shop by far. http://www.squierjv.info/jvstratocaster.htm for more information
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- Please sign your posts on talk pages. Andrewa 17:40, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
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- PS whatever the collectors may think, from the point of view of a musician my 2005 MIJ Fender Bari is very, very nice indeed (see Fender Bass VI for a photo of it in its case). Andrewa 17:49, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- "A Squier JV is better than any modern Fender Custom Shop by far."
- Everyone's entitled to his/her opinion, but I think few would agree. For starters the Custom Shop uses far superior woods. Many JV's had basswood bodies. JV hardware, such as the pickups, while mainly American, weren't up to current standards. And those JV's produced for the Japanese domestic market were a real mixed bag. -NK
[edit] Acoustic guitars
Current article reads In recent years, Fender Musical Instruments Corporation has branched out into making and selling acoustic guitars - Huh? In the 1970s I was playing in a band whose lead guitarist had a Fender for his acoustic guitar, a country-western style model. I don't know where it was made, possibly a cynical rebrand by CBS. So maybe they've only just started making acoustics, but Fender has been selling them for at least that long. Did the acoustics perhaps vanish from the catalog for a while? I'm even a bit skeptical even of this, they seemed to sell well in Australia, although I never figured out why, those I played over the years all seemed terrible value for the money to me, with mediocre actions and weak tone, unlike the superb Telecaster I played for a while in that band on which you really did get there faster.
Anyway, there's more to the story of Fender acoustic guitars than the article currently indicates. Andrewa 17:40, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] acoustics
fender have made acoustics since late 1963. http://www.provide.net/~cfh/fender3.html#concert all the info is right here.
[edit] Merge Fender Amplifier History with Fender
You can discuss this proposed merger here.
Both articles contain errors, and correcting long articles is a pain is the you know what. The main Fender entry is already long enough, IMO, and I think it would be better argued to break this up into more manageable chunks than further consolidation. Hyper-linking makes the modular approach the sensible option. Modern human beings also want their information in small, manageable chunks. Hierarchical modularisation that enables one to drill down to the specific information one wants is the key to good contemporary information design. -NK
- Oppose - Fender Amplifier History is of course too informal and contains a lot of information already present in Fender, but they should not be merged. Fender Amplifier History focuses on the history of Fender amplifiers. The content in Fender Amplifier History should be added to Fender, but both articles are too distinct to be merged. Rather, it is better to create another page called Fender Amplifiers and merge Fender Amplifier History there. Ariedartin JECJY Talk 09:09, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Amplifiers
Why do we have a full listing of guitars but not even a heading for amps? I don't know shit about fender amps so I can't add the info myself, but someone should...
There is a great resource for Fender Amps at the Fender Amplifier Field Guide: http://www.ampwares.com/ffg/
[edit] Fender Heartfield
Should this guitar be adde to the list of Fender guitars? Drogo 19:04, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
- Not unless you have information on it, of course. Ariedartin JECJY Talk 09:13, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Fender Makes Shoes
Fender oddly enough also makes shoes in addition to guitars. we should add this somewhere
- They make shirts and other miscellenous items too, but these are all boutique items and used for taking full advantage of the brand name. It's nothing odd, but I agree it should be added. Ariedartin JECJY Talk 09:12, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Merge Some Names
One thing i don't like about the list of guitars section is how the broadcaster and tele are listed under the same name. they're the same guitar! theres others thing that need to be changed in the list too.
[edit] Cyber-Twin article?
Well, to jumpstart the articles on individual Fender amplifiers, I think we could definitely start with their flagship amplifier, the Cyber-Twin. It is probably one of the most well-known combo amplifiers, and it also has a lot of content to write on. Think about it. Ariedartin JECJY Talk 14:22, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Where's the Champ?
How come there is no allusion to the champ/champ 12, etc. under the amps list?SHatch 23:36, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Since its talked about in the article, I think I'm going to add it to the list if there's no objections SHatch 04:32, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] product list
can somebody give this a seperate page a la the gibson article? --AlexOvShaolin 21:50, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
