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Contents 1 Adamantite in Middle-Earth? 2 Permission Requested 3 Atomic Numbers? 4 Unobtainum 5 Page Mergers 6 Ice-9 7 Do we need this? 8 Mithril 9 Litefantastic's Guide to Classing: 10 TCooS 11 DC Comics 12 Joke Elements 13 Transparent Aluminum 14 D.A.R.E. 15 Dr Strangelove element 16 Dolemite 17 Look Around You periodic table 18 Discworld References 19 Items from video games, such as RPGs 20 Remove Dolomite, you tards. 21 What about materials which have no official name? 22 ferrocrete 23 Calculon 24 Cermet 25 Splitting the List? 26 Fictional Isotopes of Fictional Elements? 27 Second split 28 Cavorite? 29 Star Wars Expanded Universe 30 Dark Matter 31 Carbonite 32 Listed elsewhere 33 Size split 34 Adamantium 35 Dilithium 36 Earlier source of endurium or indurium? 37 Upsidaisium, Flubber and Hushaboom 38 CTX 39 Redundancy 40 Fictional vs. Mythical

[edit] Adamantite in Middle-Earth?

I don't recall adamantite being in middle earth

[edit] Permission Requested

Permission to add Phazon to the list? --Teria 01:54, Sep 20, 2004 (UTC)

There's no need to ask permission, just go ahead and add it to the list - be bold. If it turns out that it's not supposed to be here or isn't categorized properly, someone else will come along and either fix it themselves or ask questions about it here on talk: if they're not sure. Bryan 06:10, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Listed in elements now.--Mitsukai 13:42, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Atomic Numbers?

What are the atomic numbers of these fictional elements?? 66.245.74.77 00:59, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)

They have none. They don't exist. The periodic table goes, in theory, up to 118 'real' elements, although several are still hypothetical. -Litefantastic 22:41, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Actually, the periodic table goes up to arbitrarily high atomic numbers. The problem is that anything past the low 90s tends to decay (short version: Strong force is short enough range that it can't fully compensate for the Weak and EM forces, so the nucleus alpha-decays or fissions; yes, this is an oversimplification :)). Interestingly, the entry for Elerium 115 needs to be updated, as I'd thought we'd synthesized elements 114-116 recently (still listed as unsynthesized). - [Chris/69.195.73.118][08:54, 5 Jan 2005 wikipedia time]

[edit] Unobtainum

Unobtainium? Is that a joke?

The article on Unobtainium is not a joke, no. The name itself was probably meant to be amusing, but its uses in thought experiments can also be quite serious. Bryan 05:47, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)

There's an article on it: Unobtainium. – b_jonas 11:40, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Page Mergers

I've decided to merge the fictional minerals and unreasonably strong materials pages into this page. It just makes sense, because the lines are so blurred on some of these- Unobtanium appears on all three lists! -Litefantastic 16:40, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Given that there's more than just elements listed on this page, why not move it to fictional material or fictional substance? -Sean 19:15, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I agree it should be moved; fictional substance would be my choice. -Mrwojo 21:16, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

No. The trouble is that the minerals and elements and isotopes and compounds really ought to be on one page together, but that 'substance' is just too vauge. How about fictional chemical substance? It's closer to what we're going for, yet still all-encompassing. -Litefantastic 23:20, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Ice-9

Should ice-9 from Cat's Cradle (by Kurt Vonnegut) be included? It's a special, apocalypse-causing form of ice or something... Tuf-Kat 03:52, Apr 21, 2004 (UTC)

It's a chemical substance and it's fictional, so I'd say yes. It'd fit under "Real elements given fictional properties" except that it's a chemical, not an element - not an important distinction IMO. But be careful to note that there's a real phase of water ice called ice-9 that doesn't have the properties that Vonnegut's does (thankfully :) Bryan 04:44, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Do we need this?

Do we need these descriptions here? Each of these substances has its own articles and the descriptions there are more informative. RickK 04:15, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

A one-liner is probably a good idea so people can get a summary at a glance, IMO. But the two columns for description and uses is probably excessive, I'd support merging them into just one description column. Bryan 04:44, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

The descriptions also could come in handy for materials where no-one has yet gotten around to writing a longer article, or where the material, while important enough to be worth listing, doesn't have enough identifiable properties to have an article written about it. -FZ 14:46, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Mithril

Needed or not, conspicuous by its absence from the official list is mithril, from JRR Tolkien's Middle Earth. Also called "true silver." It's qualities are the usual lighter and many times stronger than steel, very hard to work with, shiny, extremely rare, and found deep within the (middle) Earth's crust. A bit surprised it's not on the list. KR 06 Jan 2006

Mithril is listed as a fictional element: ordinary silver is a chemical element, too, there are no hints that “true silver” could be a compound, and it certainly isn’t a mineral. — TowerDragon 22:36, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Litefantastic's Guide to Classing:

• If it ends in 'ite', its either a compound or mineral. Even Kryptonite, if I remember the one of the Superman movies.
• If it ends in '-ium' it's probably an element.
• If it sounds like a compound, it probably is. I cite Bilithium, which sounds like a compound of two lithium atoms. I'm not swearing that this is right; anyone here a Star Trek fan?

Feel free to edit.

-Litefantastic 11:54, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I think that in most cases you'd be trying to apply classifications to the unclassifiable. These substances are fictions that are for the most part written by authors who don't even know (or perhaps don't care) whether they're elements or compounds themselves; Kryptonite is just "that green glowing stuff that makes Superman vulnerable". I'm thinking that these tables should probably be merged under a more generic categorization and leave it up to the individual articles to discuss what sort of substance the stuff "really" is, since there are far too many uncertain or "special" cases. Bryan 15:27, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Not always. In one of the Superman movies, kryptonite is analyzed and found to contain various amounts of known elements, and something unknown. So kryptonite is a compound mineral. In one of the Tintin stories (I think it was called The Meteorite, or something to that effect), a meteorite lands on earth. The scientists actualy do a spectroscopy on it, and find it contains an unknown spectroscopic band, so that material (called Phosilite, but I'm not sure the spelling is correct) is an element. Same for the unknown element from The Colour Out of Space. Some things, like Plasteel and Invisible Aluminum are obvious compounds. Unobtainium, Octiron, and Quadium Hydrogen all fall into a nice bin in which the authors (Frank Herbert, Terry Pratchett and someone whose name escapes me) were kind enough to tell us, in their writing, so as to save us the trouble. In some places it really does become dicy; mithril might be any light metal (except aluminum, which must be processed), dilithium could be anything and don't get me started on Cavorite.

So yes, there are some complicated spots and special cases, but these can be worked around or solved. Or, it things get really hairy, ignored. -Litefantastic 17:11, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Well, I think the "complicated spots and special cases" will likely end up including the majority of the substances listed here, but I guess there's no harm in trying. Just don't try to force something into a classification that isn't supported by the source material, it would confuse people when they try to find something under the wrong heading or when they click through and find out things are different than was indicated here. Bryan 23:50, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. -Litefantastic 11:18, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)

[edit] TCooS

How do you know that the mystery element in Lovecraft's Colour Out of Space is alkaline? -Litefantastic 00:57, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I've just read the story; it isn't. An "alkaline phosphate and carbonate" dust is left after the element decays. RG 10 Feb 2005

[edit] DC Comics

DC comics elements: http://members.shaw.ca/legion_of_super-heroes/equipment/elements/

[edit] Joke Elements

I'd put Administratium, Handwavium, and Unobtainium in a seperate table, such as Satirical Element, Joke Element, etc.

Umm. We can only split hairs so fine. After a while micromanaging takes on a life of its own... See Bryan, above. -Litefantastic 00:28, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Yeah. For example, Unobtainium is used explicitly by name in the movie The Core, so it's not a joke in that particular instance. And Handwavium isn't really a joke in most of the conversations I've had where it's come up, instead it's been used as a "placeholder" for other fictional substances with the properties necessary for watever is being discussed. Fine distinctions like these are best explained in the articles themselves, IMO. Bryan 02:15, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I've been present for plenty of more-or-less serious scientific discussions where Handwavium was invoked by name for perfectly good reasons- either to model some physical property theorists are discussing, or for pedagogical purposes where a student exercise would be made too complicated by using all of the properties of any real substance. Many people would rather invoke a fictional element with made-up properties to use in an undergraduate physics problem, than use the name of a real element with its actual properties simplified beyond recognition. -FZ 14:46, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)

There's also Managerium for a joke element: "It is one of the last elements in the periodic table and with an atomic weight of 347, it's extremely dense". – b_jonas

[edit] Transparent Aluminum

Hey if transparent aluminum has been created, doesn't it deserve to be moved out of the Fictional materials section? -- EmperorBMA|話す 17:22, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Whatever the stuff in Star Trek is, it doesn't seem much like what "real" transparent aluminium is like. Perhaps move it to the "Fictional properties of real materials" section? Bryan 18:56, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

But transparent aluminium hasn't been created. The real material is transparent *alumina* - aluminium oxide. RG 07 Feb 2005.

That's already been addressed in the article, it's been moved to "fictional applications of real materials" and a link to transparent alumina is present in the comment. Bryan 03:45, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] D.A.R.E.

Back when the world and we were young, my elementary school had the DARE program, a scheme to keep us innocents away from the drug menace. It wasn't until I reached high school and had friends whose younger siblings went through the program that I realized how humorous it really was. Aside from the criticisms the DARE article mentions, we couldn't help noticing that the attributes their worksheets and posters gave to illicit chemicals rarely matched the characteristics listed in Erowid, PIHKAL and TIHKAL, the Physicians' Desk Reference, etc. I'm strongly tempted to find some D.A.R.E. materials and list their claims under "fictional properties of real chemicals".

Controversial enough?

Anville 17:39, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Go for it. I'd love to read what DARE had to say. It would also be interesting to see people with an axe to grind try to defend those positions here against those august sources.

I have the feeling that those entries would add some serious length to the article, though. Maybe you could just do the big three. — Clarknova 04:43, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Dr Strangelove element

In Dr. Strangelove they're saying Cobal-Thorium G, though the script here,

http://scifiscripts.com/scripts/strangelove.txt

has Cobalt-Thorium G.

[edit] Dolemite

10 gets you 100 this one was mined from a blaxploitation film. Koyaanis Qatsi 03:11, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)

• The substance dolomite is real; Dolemite is a blaxploitation film.

[edit] Look Around You periodic table

http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/lookaroundyou/series1/periodic.shtml

From the BBC comedy series Look Around You.

Meh, there are lost of those including the Oscar Mayer periodic Table in the Simpsons. Mmmm bolognium --Belg4mit 20:51, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Discworld References

Octocellulose was created by the alchemists of Discworld, not the wizards. The wizards emphatically had nothing to do with the creation of it. I fixed it.

The section about Agatean Thunder Clay isn't quite accurate ether... it in itself, wouldn't disrupt the magic fields on detonation, but in the story, where it was detonated (on Cori Celesti, the center and home of the magic field and myriad gods of Discworld) was what was important. Didn't really know how to fix that, so I left it for now. Jimkopelli

[edit] Items from video games, such as RPGs

I saw the mention of a Final Fantasy XI material and decided to add in an item from Final Fantasy I, oxyale, since it was really the only material in the game that would fit the page. (New to wikipedia, by the way) However, now I'm having second thoughts. Immediately after that were a change for an item in World of Warcraft, a mmorpg and an element in Morrowwind, another computer RPG. I'm worried that if we start listing all the fictional materials in RPGs, games known for having ridiculous amounts of items, the list will become needlessly crowded. What do others think?

• "Needlessly crowded" is the story of the WP. By all means, add them, someone might find it useful. -Litefantastic 11:51, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Still, if the game has a page or pages to itself, it makes sense to limit the detail here to a summary and link. For instance, I just cut a dissertation on the effects of various mushrooms in Super Mario, because the material already exists on Mario and Super Mushroom pages. RG 7 Feb 2005

[edit] Remove Dolomite, you tards.

"Dolemite [sic]" is a real mineral, correctly spelled Dolomite! And don't tell me that they were referring to a fictional mineral of a different name. Consult the Futurama commentary! Dave Cohen specifically says that it's a real mineral. Idiots.

Dolomite might indeed be a real mineral, but whatever that stuff in Futurama was it wasn't dolomite. The stuff in Futurama was able to resist melting in lava, and was generally referred to as being incredibly tough. Real dolomite is a calcium/magnesium carbonate with a hardness of 3.5-4. I'm restoring the entry, though it might perhaps need moving to the "Fictional applications of real materials" section. Bryan 00:42, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Oh, just noticed it's in the "elements" section, which is almost certainly wrong. Moving it to compounds instead. Bryan 00:45, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Yes it was, genius. Once again, DAVID X. COHEN EXPLICITLY STATED THAT THE DOLOMITE IN THE SHOW IS A REAL MINERAL. Regardless of whether or not it was used correctly the writers wrote it so they have the ultimate authority. Besides, if you're going to list every real substance used incorrectly as a fictional substance this list will probably grow at least 10 times as large.

Seriously, Bryan, how stupid are you? I just specifically said "don't tell me that they were referring to a fictional mineral of a different name." Why did you? Are you bad at reading, stupid, or just an asshole? Listen to the commentary on the DVD, it's the real dolomite.

Dear "Bob", what in the blue hell is your problem? Why do you feel the need to spew venom and flame? I say we keep it listed as "Dolemite" just to spite you. --HBK 00:32, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)

That won't help. Trust me here. -Litefantastic 11:53, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Okay, anon, I let that original comment slide because you weren't insulting anyone in particular, but I should point out now that Wikipedia has a policy Wikipedia:No personal attacks. If you make any more comments like this I'll just summarily remove them, and if you persist you could end up earning yourself a block. If you've got a point to make then make it without mixing invective into it and maybe you might be able to contribute something of value to these proceedings. Bryan 00:57, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

How about a compromise? It was mentioned in the show, but the references given were definitely from Rudy Ray Moore's character. Just put it under fictional uses of real elements.

It's already been moved there, and I made sure the reference to Dolemite was mentioned. Bryan 06:20, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] What about materials which have no official name?

For example, in The_Six_Million_Dollar_Man, there is an alloy used in a russian venus probe (I believe the episode in question is Return of the Death Probe (two-part episode)) which appears black and is immune to impact and heat damage as well as almost all chemical damage. It's only weakness is Hydrochloric acid.

To the best of my knowledge it has no official name. Would, and if so, how would I add that to the list?

• I would see if there's a material that mimics it already (element A from show Y) and mention that a similar material (element Z) shows up in show B, though it is never named; see Tegnoid on the compounds list for an example. --Mitsukai 19:33, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] ferrocrete

i don't know warhammer, but is the ferrocrete therein, mentioned in this article, definitely not plain old ferrocrete, the building material? Gzuckier 19:18, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Is there an actual material named ferrocrete? If so, ferrocrete should probably go in Fictional applications of real materials, then.--Mitsukai 16:16, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

A quick google search suggests that ferrocrete is a synonym (brand name?) of Ferrocement.

[edit] Calculon

If the substance "Calculon" has a silicon base, then it's a compound, not an element. I was going to move it myself, but perhaps the source states that it's an element (thus contradicting itself). Would anyone know?

[edit] Cermet

Should cermet really be here? You can google it and get a bunch of hits. It's some sort of combination of ceramic and metal. --Jwwalker 06:45, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• Apparently someone moved it to fic application of real substances. Works for me, I'd say.--Mitsukai 13:39, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Splitting the List?

The list is starting to get rather huge. I see that the list was merged earlier, but it's starting to get unwieldy, so maybe it's time for a split again.

I would suggest splitting it into three:

• List of fictional elements
• List of fictional compounds
• List of fictional applications of real substances

Not sure where the fictional subatomic particles could go, but I'm sure we can think of something.--Mitsukai 13:39, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Split Fictional applications of real materials onto its own page.--Mitsukai 19:36, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Bad idea. This is actually a compilation page made up of three other pages that were all listing the same stuff. Think of it as moving all the inmates into one big asylum. -Litefantastic 01:35, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

If the list entries are grouped properly there should be no duplication between them. They're already grouped under headings, for example. How about splitting off the "Fictional compounds and alloys" section into its own page, since that's the largest section in the current article? Splitting up articles into several more-specific versions is a standard way of dealing with articles that are too big, I see no problem with this. Bryan 02:13, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

That's what I was thinking, which is why I split off the real apps article. I also think the compounds could probably be split off as well, since most of the stuff on the to-add list is probably going to end up there anyway.--Mitsukai 03:02, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

List is still too large. I recommend taking the elements and isotopes and move them to Fictional element (which is currently a redirect page for this article).--Mitsukai 18:28, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Looks like there's some duplication again. A casual perusal of the List of Fictional chemical substances and List of Fictional elements, isotopes and atomic particles shows the following on both lists: Byzanium, Lux, Naqahdah, Naqahdriah, Orichalcum, Phazon, Relux, Uridium, and Vibranium. Arguably, Orichalcum and Uridium belong on their respective lists since they use the same name to describe different substances from different sources; in that respect, they even appear to be on the correct lists. I suggest that we need to put a special box at the top of each page that has a link to the other pages, giving criteria for inclusion.--Roland 23:41, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps something like this?--Roland 00:05, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Before contributing a new entry to this page, please consider whether another page is a more appropriate place for the entry. The following are pages strongly related in content to this one: One of the two lists of Fictional chemical substances - If a substance ends in "-ite", it is probably a compound or mineral, both of which belong on the A-M or N-Z as appropriate. List of Fictional elements, isotopes and atomic particles - If a substance ends in '-ium', it is probably an element, which belongs here. List of Fictional applications of real materials List of discredited substances - If a substance was once thought to be real but has since been disproven, it belongs here. List of fictional medicines and drugs - If a substance is not an element or discredited substance, and has medicinal/psychoactive properties, it belongs here. List of fictional toxins - if the substance seems as though it has poisonous, chemical weapon or mutating properties, it should go here.

[edit] Fictional Isotopes of Fictional Elements?

The only one I can think of that might fit that bill is Illudium Q-36, a possible isotope of Illudium Phosdex. Should we create a seperate table for it? I'm sure sooner or later there'll be other fictional material isotopes, if there aren't already.--Mitsukai 19:35, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

This also seems to affect the Stargate Naquahdah/Naqahdriah bit as well.--Mitsukai 18:19, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Second split

Split the elements, isotopes and subparticles to Fictional elements, isotopes and atomic particles because the total page was 65k in size, double the original recommended size. Should be a bit more managable now.--Mitsukai 03:20, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

I think it was very unwise of you to split these tables, without leaving prominent cross references at the very top. I had a brain fart earlier and could not remember the name "Kryptonite" somehow. This page is named primarily for just that! The introduction at the top gives no indication that the articles primary contents happen to have been ripped out, with no link to find it. --Connel MacKenzie 05:47, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Why didn't you add one, then? Bryan 04:37, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Connel, do you mean like THIS SECTION which matches on all pages?--Mitsukai 12:49, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Actually, that section appears at the top of this page, and near the bottom of the others. It really needs to be at the top to prevent excessive duplication. See my attempt at a more visible solution above.--Roland 00:42, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cavorite?

Searching for Cavorite redirects to this page, but Cavorite isn't mentioned here??

Since cavorite is considered an element, you might want to try here.--Mitsukai 19:05, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Star Wars Expanded Universe

Many of the bits that people attribute to Star Wars are actually fan-made additions from the Expanded Universe (Star Wars), from the books, role-playing games, etc. Please make sure to use the correct attribution, as many Expanded Universe additions have been repudiated or contradicted by Lucas' new additions for the prequel trilogy.--Roland 00:44, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dark Matter

Isn’t the dark matter in Futurama supposed to be the real material? The description seems to suggest they’re not. Philip Stevens 14:12, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Maybe it should be moved to the list of Fictional applications of real materials?--Roland 05:05, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Carbonite

What happened to carbonite? I saw other Star Wars references, but carbonite seems to be missing.

(CloneArmyCommander 09:55, 18 November 2005 (UTC))

Carbonite is listed under Fictional applications of real materials. Whether or not it belongs there I leave to bigger Star Wars geeks than myself! :) --Roland 05:13, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Listed elsewhere

• Star Trek: Voyager has an episode where they find this atom that is a perfect energy source but also highly unstable and can destroy warp space. Seven of Nine mentions that the Borg revere it religiously due to its perfection and multiple components working together perfectly. The name of the episode and of the compound not known, request aid.

– This is the Omega particle, already listed under Fictional elements, isotopes and atomic particles, from the Episode The Omega Directive – TowerDragon 23:26, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Size split

Okay, at 48k, the list is, again, due for a split. The problem is, this one might be tricky due to the contents. Anyone have any suggestion on how to do so? My vote's for 0-9, A-M and N-Z, but others' opinions might vary on this one.--Mitsukai 20:25, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

List is now split into A-M and N-Z sections.--み使い Mitsukai 19:16, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Adamantium

I know I'm behind in my comics reading, but when did adamantium become the third strongest metal? Last I knew, it was the strongest material, vulnerable only to supernatural or superpowered forces. Gentaur 05:47, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Adamantium alloyed with steel was a plot device in X-men (Wolverine's skeleton was made of it). Adamantium steel was also the substance comprising the meters thick vault door of the Krell laboratory in Forbidden Planet which briefly withstood all of the energy directed into it by the massive underground Krell power infrastructure. 70.106.60.44 03:55, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dilithium

Why is dilithium listed as being a reddish colour? We saw a few crystal shard of the stuff in "Peak Performance" and it was a pale blue. Tiberius47 01:49, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't know why "Dilithium" is so widely misunderstood. Did no one else read the Star Fleet Technical Manual on the subject? "Dilithium" is a hybrid matter-antimatter substance composed of a matter lithium nucleus, an antimatter lithium nucleus (it's "diatomic"), and a unique phased arrangement of quantum entangled electron/positron shells. Its usefulness as a power conduit for the antimatter energy used to produce a warp bubble is pedestrian for any self-respecting type II civilization. 70.106.60.44 04:10, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Earlier source of endurium or indurium?

There is a movie listed at IMDB as Sette uomini d'oro nello spazio (1979). The English dubbed USA release is "Space Odyssey". I can't tell exactly from the soundtrack, but the hostile alien ships are said to be made of something that sure sounds like "endurium", "enthurium", "indurium", "influrium" or "intherium" (in-theory-um?). Each actor has a different accent so it's difficult for me to say for sure and no one seems to say it the same way twice. There are no subtitles on the release I saw to pin it down, either. If someone can get a script (or voice analyzer?) maybe this info can be entered on the main page.

If it is either "endurium" or "indurium", then this usage (1979) predates both Starflight and World of Warcraft.

There is no entry for "intherium" on the main page. I think that makes a pretty good name for a sci-fi chemical substance with extraordinary properties and I'm a bit surprised it hasn't been used or reported by someone yet.

I don't want to enter this info on the main page until it's been corroborated by someone else who can get a copy of this movie or the authentic script. AdderUser 11:50, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Upsidaisium, Flubber and Hushaboom

"Upsidaisium" was a fictional anti-gravity substance which roughly corresponds to "flubber" (of Absent-Minded Professor invention), which was featured in an episode of Rocky and Bullwinkle.

From the same wonderful fictional series, "Hushaboom" was a highly explosive substance as powerful as TNT, but its explosion, while very efficacious in terms of destruction, made no sound at all. 70.106.60.44 04:20, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] CTX

It's supposed to be a binary liquid epxlosive, doesn't that mean it has to be mixed with something (like an epoxy)? --Belg4mit 20:26, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Redundancy

"Daelren: A crystal capable of holding memories found in Arcana Unearthed." There are many entires like this, where the informaiton of the columns is unnecessarily repeated in short descriptions as if to beef them up. This porbably oughtn't be the case. --Belg4mit 20:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

No, it porbably shouldn't. Applejuicefool 21:58, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fictional vs. Mythical

Should we distinguish between "fictional" and "mythical" substances? I'm looking at some on this list: Adamant, Ichor, Maban, etc. Mythology is not considered fiction, as such; libraries shelve collections of mythology in the non-fiction section. Applejuicefool 21:56, 9 March 2007 (UTC)