Talk:Filipinos of Spanish descent
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[edit] The article name must be changed
Why it is "Filipinos of Spanish descent"? Why not "Spaniards of Filipino descent"? It's neither of the two things! It's a mix. Thus, it should be just "Spanish-Filipinos". With the actual name, you are supposing that all the mixed Spanish-Filipino people are from the Philippines, when it is not truth. Look at Isabel Preysler or Enrique Iglesias: they are not "Filipinos of Spanish descent"; they are "Spanish-Filipinos". Onofre Bouvila 18:44, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Verificability
Please cite sources, references and when, eg. 9,000 in 2004?--Jondel 09:45, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Standard Spanish
Most Spaniards are forced to speak the standard, eg. Catalunyans,Basques are forced to speak Castillian in the Philippines.--Jondel 09:45, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
- I don’t know for sure if that’s accurate, but that is interesting, because I myself have never heard Catalan or Basque spoken or even mentioned by any Pinoy, including Catalans and Basques themselves. —Lagalag 10:52, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
My grandmother used to speak Valenciano as a child and was forced to speak in standard Philippine castellano.--Jondel 00:27, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Mexicans
There were actually many Mexicans in the Philippines during the colonial period. I don't know if they should be mentioned.--Jondel 01:39, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] question
why aren't there a great amount of Spanish Mestizos and/or full blooded Spaniards in the Phlipines as there is in Latin America. People have said it was because there wasn't any work in the Phlipines as there was in Latin America. What about the silk? Could it not be a great place to trade silk with the Chinese in there Spanish colony the Philipines. Well they say it was hard to get there. How? they did get there obviously. So how hard is it to get there again? Again why so many Spanish Mestizos and full blooded Spaniards in Latin America and not so many in the Phlipines. There is a fair amount of Filipinos who look or even are mistaken for Latinos. Even though Filipinos who have Spanish surnames does not always nessiarly mean they are of Spanish orgin. But surnames that were not given to familes by the Spanish and surnames not taken by the Family means they have Spanish orgin.
- There was a mass exodus of ethnic Spaniards during World War II, that’s why very few are now left. —Lagalag 15:27, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
- You mean, a mass exodus right after WW2. Not many civilians could travel during the war. --Jondel 21:11, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
--there is a large mestizo population, the only problem is in the way filipinos define what a mestizo is. most have a wrong misconception, they only look as mestizos with white skin, a mestizo could be walking around saying how mestizo an actor/actress is not even realizing his own spanish blood in himself
[edit] about Mestizo category
To: lagalag! Why is the Mestizo category, removed all the time?? when in fact most of the SpanisH-fILIPINOS listed here are 100% Mestizos! Why don't you removed the Mestizo category in the Tornatras category, since most of those people listed are not even European looking. Mestizos are supposed to be European looking. User:Gonzalo...1960
- Gonzalo, most does not equal all or by necessity. Please do not try to exclude Philippine citizens those who indeed are of unmixed Spanish ancestry—people like yourself. Moreover, Spanish mestizos are mentioned in the article as a subgroup. Should you wish to expand that section, no one is stopping you; in fact, it would be very much appreciated.
- As for the Tornatrás, it does not matter whether or not they
lookSpanish, as technically they stillaremestizo, defined, according to the Mestizo article, as “people of mixed European and indigenous non-European ancestry (emphasis added).” Genotype does not completely determine phenotype. —Lagalag 06:01, 10 December 2006 (UTC)- Correction: They still had been mestizos. I just realized—and even the Tornatrás article states—that the term ‘tornatrás’ has long fallen into disuse, much like ‘Negro’ has in the Americas. Unlike ‘Negro’, however, almost no present-day Filipinos are even aware of the existence of the word ‘tornatrás’. —Lagalag 07:15, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Need Clarifications!
This article is confusesing and it needs 100% clarifications. It should provide accurate details on who is actually is a true Spanish-European Filipino in terms of genetic blood; and who is Spanish-Indigenous Filipino in terms of language and culture. The Spanish Filipino article is focusing on just unmixed Spanish Indigenous Filipinos who are hispanized. -- User:Gonzalo...1960
- The initial paragraph states that Spanish-Filipinos are “Philippine citizens of Spanish descent, regardless of ethnolinguistic affiliation, and including, but not limited to, mestizos.” How could it possibly get any clearer than that? And no, just because someone chooses freely whether to adopt Spanish, Japanese, German, Italian, or American customs does not by necessity turn him or her into a Spaniard, Japanese, German, Italian, or American. —Lagalag 06:01, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The number of Philippine citizens of Spanish ancestry
I derived the figure of less than 1.5 million or less than 1.8% of the population from the Filipino mestizo page. Since we do not have the exact figures, I believe the infobox should retain the previous stated figure. —Lagalag 05:03, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
- I derived the current figure—3.5 million, or 4.1% of the total Philippine population (85 236 913)—from the infobox in the Spanish people article. Changes are welcome should more reliable sources be available. —Lagalag 20:13, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Hey, I think 4.5 million is pretty high for a 'seemingly invisible minority, any sources?—23prootie 15:42, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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- I think that proportion (4.1% of the total Philippine population) is fair. I study in La Salle-Taft and almost half of the entire campus is made up of Spanish Mestizo looking people. Not only that, La Salle-College of Saint Benilde as well as Ateneo de Manila are also full of Spanish Mestizos. So I think it's really closer to what is really seen. —Matthewprc 12:40, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Language
In which contexts do Spanish-Filipinos of this day and age speak Spanish, English, and Filipino? —Lagalag 05:17, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
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- Most Spanish-Filipinos nowadays don't speak Spanish anymore - except those who are old, who speak it among themselves (I occasionally hear my relatives) - other than that, they usually speak either English or Filipino. My Mestizo classmates in La Salle usually speak English (or to a lesser degree, English infused with Tagalog). I've never met any Mestizo who is under 40 speaking or knowing how to speak Spanish. —Matthewprc 12:40, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Roman Catholics
“Overwhelmingly” may have read like an exaggeration or was just a bit too much, so I just put “Predominantly” instead, following the usage on the infobox on German-Brazilians and others. —Lagalag 10:46, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] escalante
is that the name of a Filipino-Spanish family? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.175.83.141 (talk) 00:36, 7 January 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Redundant?
It's quite funny how this article is named Spanish-Filipinos. Isn't it that the term originally referred to the Philippine-born Spaniards? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 61.9.55.188 (talk) 20:07, 1 February 2007 (UTC).
- The meanings have since changed. Look at Filipino, which once also referred to the same group of people but which has now been extended to include all other people born in the islands (and nowadays, to citizens of the country), whatever the ethnicity.
[edit] Filipinos of Mexican descent 'should be' mention
This article only talks about Spanish Filipinos, What about Mexican Filipinos. Why aren't Filipinos of Mexicans descent ever mentioned in this article? It seems abit biased. There are thousands of Mexican descent in the Philippines and Mexicans of Filipino descent in Mexico. Why only Spanish is mentioned. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.106.220.144 (talk) 11:13, 23 March 2007 (UTC).
Reply: Just letting you know. There are 600,000 (0.6%) Mexican peoples who posses Filipino ancestry in Mexico. Check this out. [1]
- IMHO, topics concerning these people should be dealt with in an article about Mexican citizens of Filipino descent. Should they be prominent enough in Mexican society, surely they’d deserve their own article on WP. Cheers. —Lagalag 14:16, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Amerindian descent
The Stanford study pertains only to European and not Amerindian gene markers. —Lagalag 03:59, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
