Talk:Film score

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Contents 1 Move to "List of" 2 List of imaginary soundtracks 3 typographical suggestion 4 Bolding 5 Notable film score composers 5.1 suggested criteria 5.2 Proposeded Inclusions 5.3 Suggested Solution 6 Classical music 7 Dystopia

[edit] Move to "List of"

I suggest the "Notable film score composers include" section be moved to its own page, something like List of notable film score composers. --Jūzeris ⇐ feedback appreciated 15:40, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Or, more appropriately, be merged into List of soundtrack composers. --Jūzeris ⇐ feedback appreciated 07:19, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] List of imaginary soundtracks

I've put together a List of imaginary soundtracks. feedback and additions welcome. The external link cited was used for a lot of the titles, as well as my personal collection.

I'm not sure if this is a legitimate 'musical genre' or not, hence created it in my userspace. It needs a more comprehensive intro/discussion before i'm comfortable entering it into wikipedia-proper. --Quiddity 21:56, 30 October 2005 (UTC) (updated Quiddity 22:35, 20 June 2006 (UTC))

[edit] typographical suggestion

I suggest listing the composers alphabetically by last name first with the last name in boldface. It makes things easier to find. Jeffmatt

[edit] Bolding

Why are some of the composers bolded? Nationalparks 14:09, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Theoretically, they're the most notable/famous composers of film scores. -Quiddity 19:41, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

That's what I guessed. I removed all of that bolding, as per WP:NPOV. Nationalparks 20:03, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Notable film score composers

We really need to pick some kind of criteria for "Notability", and severely reduce the size of this list section, whilst moving all non-included names to the "List of" article. We also need to avoid this turning into a popularity contest, and a western-centric one too. (Ideally, the resulting list will eventually get rewritten into good prose.) --Quiddity 23:15, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] suggested criteria

• won at least 1 major industry award

--> but which major industry award? There are many major cinema industry awards for film scoring in many countries (perhaps one or two notable composers from distinct regions of the world could be selected)? AppleJuggler 07:54, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

• perhaps limit the number of entries to 15-20 (?)

--> the number interval indicated above is arbitrary; why not a nice round 10 (say if we have 4 major continents (the Americas, Asia, Europe and Africa), two renown composers from each would suffice perhaps)? AppleJuggler 07:54, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

• all others get moved to List of soundtrack composers

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• I could look through my course notes of Music in the Movies (University class)(The movies have a mix of important historical meaning and terms such as dystopia, utopia, thematic ideas such as Lord of The Rings, (Idea of motives associated link Wagner's Cycle does with character developement of music motifs) mouvements of rythm, etc... So, an important element is the "music term" references. Ex.: 2001 space Odysey, valsique tempo and how the running around in the circle was film with a a diferent tempo, giving an off rythm which eventually met up... or take this same example when the scientists touch the large rock (forget the proper term)... music there uses a dissonant chromatic asscention and descention. Or take "Jesus Christ Super Star"... one piece in that movie is ideal to explain the rythm of 5/4 (which give light heartness to the spirit)... This aspect can also be linked to the movie Ghost with the triolet idea of 3 vs. 2. "... I hunger for your... love" For this article to have a comprehensible direction we must decide what musical terms we want to discuss. Example of minimalistic music, Baroque Music (such as that movie called something "... in Love") We must chose this musical connotation wiselly so we are not performing original research... What is original research... well I think the dissonant chromatic ascention and descention in the Space Odysey 2001 could be consider, however, since my collegue Brian, present this research in class perhaps it isn't... but then again... it's not peer reviewed. Oh! And don't forget instrumentation... like the "Sexy Saxophone" or the "Death Trombone", and the base... the high tone... musical accoustics... (effect of music on the human body). Old black and white Silent film, Film noire, etc, Mickey Mouse, What's the name of that movie where they say "Stella!"? Obviously star trek and star wars (the major 6th interval)... etc... we must talk about intervals, music scale, minor and major, maybe even mixolidian. Again, we must have a musical reference. This will be VERRY DIFFICULT TO DO WITHOUT VIOLATING WP:OR... I can take a musical score and pinpoint 5/4, and a thematic idea... I can say it repeats for the developement of for example "Dark Vader"? ... Oh we also need to talk about Chinese movies (old and new) (we had a chinese exchange student do that one in class), Spanish movies "Hombres vs. that other term I forget"... That term for when 3 guitarist or 5 guitarist play a song under the window for a lady. etc... etc... --CyclePat 03:47, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Other movies we saw where: Tomas Crown affair (the old one and new one)(study: music songs), the good old Hanibal Lector, (horror films)... So in summary... we need to think about the type of film and the musical aspect. Vertigo was an interesting movie. "The truck from..." (forget the name)... etc. --CyclePat 04:01, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposeded Inclusions

Dimitri Shostakovitch, The Gadfly, Five Days, Five Nights (his Jazz Suite 2 included the well-known Waltz II)

[edit] Suggested Solution

I believe the current state of this page is not up to Wikipedia's standards. I believe that cleaning it up, even if it is not with a perfect solution, is better than the actual Statu Quo. Thus, my suggestions are:

1/ Adding soundtracks to each name forces to make a subjective choice as which one is the most important, and clutters the page. I would simply remove them (the reader can always click on the name to get more information about this or that composer). 2/ Since I believe "notable" means current or past *masters of the craft*, who have or have had a long and succesful carreer in the field, and have, or have had, a clear recognition by their peers, the list needs to be considerably streamlined. 3/ The list also need to give a good overview of different periods, styles, and country of origin.

Following those three points, I suggest the following list:

John Barry, Elmer Bernstein, Danny Elfman, Jerry Goldsmith, Bernard Herrmann, Maurice Jarre, Erich Wolfgang Korngold, Michel Legrand, Henry Mancini, Giorgio Moroder, Ennio Morricone, James Horner, Alfred Newman, Thomas Newman, Basil Poledouris, Sergei Prokofiev, David Raksin, Nino Rota, Miklós Rozsa, Ryuichi Sakamoto, Lalo Schiffrin, Howard Shore, Alan Silvestri, Vangelis, Franz Waxman, John Williams, Hans Zimmer.

I would appreciate input of any sort. In the meantime, I believe we should remove the current list, which is unappropriate in many ways (clear presentation, pov, etc).

Hellgi 20:18, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Classical music

Shouldn't there be a section on the use of classical music in movies on this page? Or does this already exist elsewhere?Lbark 20:35, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Something more than Film score#Orchestral soundtracks? --Quiddity 18:14, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I removed the list of Classical music often used in movies, and added the customary link to the list of Film Soundtrack. We are talking here about music specifically written for movies, not written prior to that for another medium. I also moved the removed list to the Film Soundtracks page. Hellgi 20:29, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dystopia

Dystopia has important element with film music.