Talk:Final club
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[edit] Isis Club
i removed the ext. link for the isis club. the link went to some guys pdf resume. didnt look like a joke resume or anything but it sure wasnt isis.
[edit] Lampoon-written
The article appears to have been written by the Harvard Lampoon, the highly exclusive and insular social club that occasionally deigns to release trite and stale mini-magazines.
Unfortunately I am not in a position to re-write the article.
Even if written with comedic intent, the article is ill informed. It does contains some facts but, inter alia, grossly exaggerates the influence of the final clubs (note the correct placement of the "s"). Final club membership is about 2.5% of the entire student body, men and women. Though a pleasant passtime to their members, clubs are irrelevant to non-members' college experiences.
The preceeding three comments seem inappropriate, being unsubstantiated and intended, perhaps, to undermine the credibility of the article. Also, they address a much earlier version of the article than the displayed at present. - anon 17:40, March 11, 2006
Yes, the clubs are easy to ridicule, and they deserve it as a vestige of the social strictures of days long gone. An escape from daily life, yes, a throwback to The Great Gatsby and before, also yes, but an evil empire, no.
None has living facilities or provides any kind of immunity from the police or college authorites.
Do the clubs breed a certain condescension? As a graduate member of one of them, I am in a position categorically to state that any wretch who suggests that final club members feel they are superior is a cad, a churl, a blaggard, and not a gentleman. (See, I made a funny! But I really was a member of a club as an undergraduate, and the article really is inaccurate.)
- Good enough for me! If a former member doesn't think that the club breed arrogance, it must be true.
--ubopp 20:49, July 31, 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Final or finals?
Someone just edited the page back to use the term "finals clubs" instead of "final clubs." As I understand it, the historical basis for the name is that Harvard used to have a variety of clubs for freshmen, sophomores, juniors, and seniors, with students of different years being in different clubs, and the "final clubs" were so named because they were the last social club a person could join before graduation. (This is no longer the case; most of the other clubs no longer exist.) Note that the Harvard student handbook uses the term "final club":
- While fraternities and sororities may be recognized officially at other universities and in local towns, they are not permitted to conduct any activity at Harvard even though their activities involve Harvard undergraduates. This policy also applies to the "final clubs" in Cambridge. [1]
And so does the Harvard Crimson (see [2], [3] for examples).
So if someone can substantiate that these clubs should be called "finals clubs", I would appreciate them doing so. Otherwise, I'm going to change it back to "final clubs". --Metropolitan90 02:52, September 9, 2005 (UTC)
- Both terms are correct and should be mentioned in the article. See, for instance, [4], [5], and [6] for usage of "finals club" in the Crimson. —Lowellian (reply) 20:55, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
- "Final clubs' is correct, pace the Harvard Crimson. --Wetman 09:15, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Materials in the Public Record
I suspect that architectural drawings of almost all the clubs, particularly those such as the Porc and the AD that have been designated as important buildings by the Cambridge Historical Commission may be freely availible, though perhaps not online. Moreover, information regarding the Massachusetts Commission Against Discrimination's dealings with the Fly Club in the 1990's are also likely to be accessible. Given the paucity of detailed information on these clubs, it might be interesting and worthwhile to look into this material.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.12.195.5 (talk • contribs) 21:40, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Other information
There is a substancial body of information in the online archives of the Harvard Crimson (perhaps a hundred pages worth) that ought to be incorporated into this article. See for example any of the pages Here
[edit] Separate articles for individual clubs
Does each club really need its own page? All they seem to be are bragging places for a club to list its alumni. If no one squawks soon, I'm making them all redirect here. -- Thesquire (talk - contribs) 07:31, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Citing, Controversy section
The Ted Kennedy bit at the end's alright, but the rest of it screams Original Research. -- Thesquire (talk - contribs) 05:46, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Not so. Almost every fact in this article is reflected in the archives of the Harvard Crimson and Independent.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.12.195.5 (talk • contribs) 21:34, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Rumor and lack of verification
I have a problem with the following portion of the text:
"The Bee Club rents a space in a what is rumored to be property owned by The Fly Club (45 Dunster St)."
The information stated on this sentence is based on rumors and therefore isn't verified and probably isn't objective. I suggest that it should be removed from the article until someone verifies that claim. --Mecanismo | Talk 16:30, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Final club and finals club
Right the first time. Wrong the second, a confusion perhaps with the exams called "finals". "Final clubs" are "final" in the sense that Hasty Pudding is a "waiting club". --Wetman 11:10, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Seneca Club
All mention of the women's "Seneca Club" has been anonymously deleted. --Wetman 09:15, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Errors
- "Most of the final clubs do not provide housing to their members" None may.
- (National affiliations) "other remnants remain as well" Meaningless, if not incorrect.
- "Long affiliated with and supported by Harvard" Never supported. --Wetman 08:32, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
