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[edit] Independence Movement Flags
Can we please move the Hawai‘i Independence Flag to a new entry of its own? There is nothing in the article referring to it except for the banner under the image itself. Furthermore, I don't think it's appropriate for inclusion in an article about Ka Hae Hawai‘i. A link to the new entry would be fine with text such as: "There is a separate Hawai‘i Independence Flag used by sovereignty organizations in Hawai‘i". -- Mordomo, 29 July 2004
- I think this article could be improved by covering the flag(s?) of Hawaiian independence advocates, such as the Hawaiian Independence Flag. Would not adding material about this flag and its contested relationship to the Ka Hae Hawai‘i would be preferable to splitting off a separate flag stub? --ScottMainwaring 20:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
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- Ka Hae Hawai‘i is one of the oldest flags in the world in continuous use
Is it? If so, we should add this remark to the Union Jack page too, cos that's clearly older. Andy G 18:35, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
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- I know it's one of the oldest flags in the United States in continuous use, but I'm not so sure its one of the oldest flags in continuous use in the world. --Gerald Farinas 19:18, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Well, going through the flags page and the Flags of the World, here are all the flags that I've found so far that are older than 1816 or so. I'm sure I've missed some obvious choices, so I'll add to this list if I can find more (or feel free to do so yourselves).
- Turkey, 1793 or earlier (used for the Ottoman empire, then Turkey as a nation)
- France, 1794
- United Kingdom, 1606 for the original Union Flag (although the United Kingdom didn't exist until 1707)
- United States, 1777
- Austria, 13th century origins
- Denmark, 1219 or so
- Japan, legend of the flag dates back to 13th century, 15th century if you count it being used as flown from ships, otherwise it dates from the Meiji Restoration of 1868
- Argentina, 1816
- Sweden, 16th century
- Spain, 1785
- Switzerland, proposed 1817, first flown 1821
- Netherlands, 1813 (end of French occupation)
- Martinique, 1766
- Chile, 1817
I'm not counting minor changes to a flag (such as adding stars in the United States' flag or putting the St. Patrick's cross in the Union Flag). I'm also not counting what the flag stands for (such as Turkey's flag) as long as it's been in continuous use.
The FotW's Adoption Dates of Flags is a good reference for this, but they list the date the flag was last changed, rather than when it was first used. Even by this standard, Hawaii's flag dates from 1843, and is still older than most:
Curiously, in this list, Japan's flag dates from 1999! --Mordomo 06:27, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- When when the average reader sees such a remark, he / she will expect such a flag to be close to the top of such a list, not around 20 places down on it. I'm removing this line. Valentinian (talk) 17:37, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
