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[edit] Plot flaws? + a different enemy?
One thing that I noticed: If Daneel was running out of room in his own brain (because one can only compress information so much), why did he not simply get a bigger brain? He already mostly worked behind the scenes - he could have a whole room as his brain if he really wanted to, I'd imagine, because he wouldn't have to move around much anyway. And he wouldn't have to undergo a risky merger with Fallom. The reason that I added the section to this article with Fallom being the possible enemy is that if Daneel merges with Fallom (who has no distinctive like of humanity), his three robotic laws will cease to work. Combined with his vast knowledge and power, this could well mean that his merger with Fallom leads to a very serious crisis for humanity, as it is Fallom who ends up controlling Daneel and not the other way around. Did Asimov ever hint (besides the obvious hint in the last line of the book) that he planned to go in this direction? Esn 07:00, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
- One very obvious plot point that was not resolved was where the solarians disappeared to. This sugguests that any sequel would have to involve the Solarians in someway. Aarontay 19:43, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Did you read the book?
I believe the real threat would be the SOLARIANS themselves. Besides, as Daneel gets a bigger brain it lasts for a lower amount of time.
- I can agree with that, but in the book, it said that as Daneel got a larger brain, the less stabile it was. And Daneel is a robot that is millenia old. It said that the longevity of his brain decreases, that and his brain changes because of some randomity law.(Been a while since last read)
[edit] The problem is not storage but access
You can have as much memory as you want, but then most of the information would take too long to retrive, unless you have a good compression and cataloguing system too synthesis the information into knowledge. Human brains are very good at that. Then imagine what pressure millenia of information would generate. Hillgentleman 16:07, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Daneel changed mind on Psychohistory -re- Gaia?
Maybe this is just an unavoidable continuity error from the decades between books, but did Daneel Olivaw (aka Chetter Hummin from Prelude to Foundation), make a serious *mistake* in setting up Psychohistory as the way to minimize the effect of the Empire's collapse?
I mean, ostensibly he supported him up until his departure from Trantor in the Psychohistory project.
Yet, later, in Foundation's Edge/Foundation and Earth, we learn that it was Daneel that was steering everything towards Gaia as the Galactic Organism by which he could 'handle' humanity as the Zeroth Law stated.
Does that mean that his whole planning and Hari's lifework on the Project was in vain? It would seem so to me, if, as he said, Fallom's brain would give him enough time (apx. 500 years) to bring Galaxia - that would put it in the same timeframe as the Foundation's climax as Galactic Power.
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Seems to me that Daneel was betting on two horses - the Foundations AND Gaia. Later on, he arranges for Trevize to decide between the 2 foundations and Gaia because as a robot he feels he cannot decide himself. The mistake, of course, is to merge his mind with that of Fallom, who is not a human being.
- It's unclear, in some of the books it is sugguested that Daneel was preparing the Gaia project centuries before even Seldon was born, and that sugguests that Gaia was always his first choice. The Killer B books go even further with Daneel stating outright that Psychohistory is just a distraction at best and that the whole thing about Trevize "the man who is always right", was a scam, and he would be mantipulated to choose Gaia over Foundation.Aarontay 19:48, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Exile 15:05, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- Was it a mistake? Regarding Gaia, there was no reason to think the project would work at all. As or Fallom, she is a mutated human but not too different. Her people are not agressive. --GwydionM 17:04, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Correcting some details
Alpha is charted, and they are fairly sure it is not Earth. It is not a normal world, having just the one big island. It was settled long after the 'Pebble' project failed. (Though if Earth was growing ever more radioactive, it is hard to understand why it was ever attempted. of course Asimov posited the restoration long before he decided that Earth's radioativity was not the result of an atomic war.)
Asimov's remarks about the similarity between Alpha Centauri A and Sol are worth highlighting: it is a real-life puzzle, a rather odd coincidence.
--GwydionM 17:45, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
