Talk:Free Territory of Trieste
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Free Territory of Trieste was indeed dissolved in 1954, when zone A was annexed by Italy and zone B by Yugoslavia, but Treaty of Osimo, which settled the border between Italy and Yugoslavia was only signed on November 10, 1975. --Peterlin 11:43, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
IMHO the treaty that dissolved FTT in 1954 was actually signed in London
[edit] Discrimination in Yugoslavia
At the same time, ethnic Italians and Germans living in Yugoslavia complained of discrimination and persecution and many of them also emigrated.
Could anyone give some historical sources confirming this, please? Boraczek 08:29, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
There is a useful article at http://www.genealogienetz.de/reg/ESE/dshist.txt that covers the history of the Danube Germans, Aincluding those who lived in Slavonia. Towards the end there is mention of their fate after 1945. My mother-in-law is ethnically German from Slavonia, although her father was hung by the Germans during WWII. Interestingly, when Tito was presenting figures of Jugoslav losses in support of reparations after 1945, the reduction in population caused by the deported Volksdeutsch was made to appear as a loss to Jugoslavia meriting additional support! PeterDRG 16:55, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
- The German minority in Yugoslavia which largely supported the German occupiers during WWII, did not "emmigrate". A large part left with German army in 1945, and the rest were interned after the war and expelled to Germany, following the pattern in the rest of eastern Europe. An exception was made for those that actively supported the resistance, and thousands of ethnic Germans stayed.
- The situation of Italians was very much different. In Italy, there was internal communist resistance to the fascist regime and especially Germans after 1943, which was friendly with Yugoslav partisans. Very many of Istrian and other Italians were communists or at least anti-fascists. After the capitulation of Italy, there were whole Italian units in Yugoslavia which switched sides and continued to fight with partisans against Germans. That's why Italians which were not individually prosecuted for war crimes were not treated summarily. They were given a choice, in the Territory's Constitution, to either stay in the Free Territory and become its citizens or be asked to move to Italy. It's very much likely that some Italian Istrians were intimidated or forced into leaving, but there is also no doubt that there were many which prefered to stay and live in the socialist Yugoslavia. Also, let's not forget that many of the people who left Istria at the time were Slovenes or Croats.
- To cut the long story short, Germans were expelled according to ethnic criteria (they were presumed to be collaborators, unless they could prove otherwise), while Italians left and were sometimes forced to leave according to individual political and ideological criteria. Not really comparable. Zocky | picture popups 13:18, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
- You said italians were not treated summarily. But excuse me, if appears the choise: to leave or to stay for peoples, no matter what their ethnicity or nationality is, who lived in the same place from generation to generation - it is clear discrimination and persecution.--Vulpes vulpes 12:42, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Numbers
The numbers we are presenting don't add up: we say that there were about 30,000 Italians in zone B, 14.000 of whom remained there, so about 16.000 emigrated. We alos say that 40.000 people emigrated, mostly Italians. How is 16.000 out of 40.000 "mostly"? Zocky | picture popups 06:31, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] German name?
Any particular reason for including the German name in the opening of the article? There wasn't a significant German population in the territory. --Jfruh (talk) 02:53, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Well, the main reason would probably be that it was in Austria-Hungary for few centuries... Other than that, none I think. Martin 18:41, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
