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Contents 1 Flag of Finland 2 Munis vs. cities 3 Early Swedish history 4 Strange statements about Lidingö 5 Municipalities again. Oh, and I'll be away for a while. 6 Images 7 Knowledgeable / knowledgable 8 SWNB 9 Uploaded images from Commons 10 Västerås Municipality / City of Västerås 11 Dialect cats 12 Move 13 Another hip hop image 14 Trefoldighedskirken 15 Translating de:Wohlfahrtsstaat Schweden 16 National Holiday of Sweden 17 WP:SWNB/Good articles vote 18 Stockholm, the seat of Solna Municipality? 19 Thanks for your support 20 Image:Jesper Swedberg.png has been listed for deletion 21 Cornelis image 22 Sweden municipalities 23 Promotional Cornelis image 24 Provinces and counties 25 Västergötland 26 Scania 27 Kurdish images 28 Image:Sweden 1658.png 29 Stockholm 30 Ava Vincent images 31 Mighty Mouse 32 Re: Infobox 33 Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Template/Workshop 34 Swedish landskap 35 Image:Malmö.png 36 University or college? 37 Furby, Sweden 38 The settlers versions 39 Sister Cities: List or Paragraph...??? 40 Just a quick hello 41 Swedish Woodcarvers 42 History of Sweden 43 my careless copying-and-pasting 44 13th Dublin 45 Kalmar 46 Kalmar picts 47 Cultures of the World 48 Image Sources 49 Hello again 50 Moving images to Commons 51 Gotland 52 AMA 53 WP Babel 54 Finland-Swedish 55 AMA Coordinator Election 56 Images of Giorgio de Chirico 57 Talk:Kven (what a sorry mess!) 57.1 Original research 58 Re: Thanks 59 Lucy 60 Bill Gates 61 Google Search 62 David Quinn (Actor) 63 Dag Hammarskjöld 64 Finland-Swedes & Finland 65 Kven 66 User:Swedenman - violation of 3RR 67 Noticeboard notice bombed 68 Angående RfC request om Swedish Democrats 69 German Revolution.jpg 70 Church 71 Joan of Arc 72 image removed from railway page 73 Swedenman 74 Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Muhamed 75 Swedish speakers 76 Image suitability for commons? 77 Saw that

[edit] Flag of Finland

Yes, I also think it's too dark, but E_Pluribus_Anthony insists on that color, since it is defined on an official Finnish Ministry webpage. However, its a PMS value, and PMS is not for screen use, only for print. Go figure... I'll leave this for others, I have no interest in a conflict. --Janke | Talk 13:18, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

What I think you should do is to use the other wikimedia commons flag with colors that looks better.

See commons:Category:Flags of Finland. A poll among Wikipedia users would decide which flag should be used on templates.

Please see my discussion page on commons for the words of one of the admins regarding colors of flags commons:User_talk:Fred chessplayer#Swedish Flag. --Fred-Chess 13:25, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

"should do is to use the other wikimedia commons flag" Well, if I did, someone would surely revert to an "official" version... None of those on Wikimedia are exactly right, either. No. 3 is too bright in hue. There's always a problem with print or fabric colors on monitor screens, especially since every user has his own brightness/contrast settings! Look at my upload, where the blue is lighter, but not fully bright. This looks like the color of a real fabric flag, on most monitors. Staring oneself blind on "official" PMS or CMYK values won't give people the right impression. But as said, I won't go into any dispute about this, since it is so subjective. --Janke | Talk 15:58, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Munis vs. cities

I appreciate your effort to create pages for all Swedish municipalities, but why are the city names redirects to these articles? The cities (e.g. Varberg) are capitals of their municipalities (just like Stockholm is the capital of Sweden), but they are not identical with the municipality. People tend to know if they live "in Varberg" or "outside" but in the municipality. Right now, Skänninge has an article of its own, because it is not the center of its own municipality, but belongs to Mjölby Municipality, but Mjölby hasn't got any article of its own. Shouldn't there be three articles for Mjölby, Skänninge, and Mjölby Municipality? --LA2 21:33, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

Well if you want to write a separate article about the town, go ahead. The alternative is to gather all the municipal towns and villages into one article until there is enough material to warrant separate articles. --Fred-Chess 09:47, July 26, 2005 (UTC)

I would prefer that the municipality articles contain only information about administrative details and that article titles like Strängnäs contain history, culture and all that. The municapities are fairly recent innovations after all.

On a side note, what's with the capitalization? "Municipality" isn't exactly part of an official name. It should be Mjölby municipality for example. My bet is that this is another one of Mic's lingering excentricities, like all the latinization and ideas about "the Realm of Sweden".

Peter ^Isotalo 14:47, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Yes you are correct about the last statement, Peter. I have been wondering a little about that too, but prefer not to change it at the moment.

I also agree with your first suggestion. It will require quite some work though.

--Fred-Chess 14:20, August 12, 2005 (UTC)

I want to add that this need not be done to all municipalities. With cities in the list Cities of Sweden it could be done to all (except Gothenburg Malmö Stockholm and except if the article is still quite small, less than one page, so not to make two stubs of one stub). But -- with the municipalities that actually are recent inventions from the 1970s, please don't do such a divisioning yet. --Fred-Chess 21:39, August 12, 2005 (UTC)

Actually I think "X Municipality" has to be taken as a translation of "X kommun", which should be treated as a compound proper noun. I had a similar discussion with User:Nixdorf a while ago, when he moved Uppsala Cathedral to Uppsala cathedral. I pointed to the example Uppsala universitet, which has an uncapitalized u in "universitet". while the official English name is Uppsala University. If you check other examples of official English names for Swedish government agencies, all the main words are capitalized.

As for municipalities, Lund uses City of Lund, with a capitalized "City" in mid-sentence.[1][2] Likewise is City of Malmö used on the city webpage here. Stockholm seems to use City of Stockholm or "City of Stockholm municipality"[3][4]. I take this as a way to deemphasize the municipality part in relation to the "City" part of the name; it should not be taken as a part of the name, just as they don't like "kommun" in the Swedish name. City of Stockholm is clearly what the city (or its political leadership) wants to be known as, just as it is "Stockholms stad" in Swedish. Falun actually uses "the municipality of Falun", or "the municipality of Falu", in either case with an uncapitalized m.[5]. I looked at a couple of more (Bollnäs, Piteå) and they mostly avoid the issue by just using the name. Some smaller municipalities seem to use capitalization in English where it does not belong (when it refers to general concepts, such as some "Folk High School", rather than a specific, named folk high school) and even in Swedish ("Piteå Kommun") where it is definitely not standard, so I am not sure it can be taken as authoritative for any type of Wikipedia standard.

Anyway, what about simply using "City of X" for those that insist on that usage, and "Municipality of X" for the rest? It avoids the issue of capitalization in the article titles. It should be made clear somewhere, and linked from each "City of X" article, that the modern Swedish use of "city" is related to but still distinct from the historical use, when it actually meant something to be a city. u p p l a n d 07:57, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestions Tups, always a pleasure to see well thought out ones.

Yes good suggestions. Some thoughts in my mind. #1: should we move Stockholm to "City of Stockholm"? I think not -- but I would be happy to change the name on top of the infobox... (Alarm disagreed with me on that on the talk page :-) #2 you are in disaccordance with other wikipedia articles. See Category:Municipalities of Denmark for instance. #3 I will be moving articles to "Municipality of X" then..? #4 "Lindingö stad" (off. name of Lidingö) and similar kommun names are confusing, but perhaps "City of Lidingö"? Or just Lidingö?

--Fred-Chess 08:14, August 15, 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps we don't need to move these articles, and I certainly see no reason to move Stockholm to City of Stockholm: the point of using the latter is really only if we need to disambiguate between Stockholm (historic city) and Stockholm (contemporary municipality/city). Personally I am not sure it is necessary to do so, but I thought that you were about to make such a split for other cities. Actually, I think we can mostly keep things where they are for the time being. u p p l a n d 09:51, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Being back again from a well-needed break, I'd like to weigh in on this.

I am very much against using "City of X" or "X City" as an alternative for "X Municipality" in article titles (redirects are of course fine!). Although official use is a factor in naming Wikipedia articles, I think it would be confusing for non-Swedes to use two different terms in article naming for what is entirely the same concept. As we all know, the concept of "stad" in Swedish is rather fuzzy and "kommun"/"municipality" is the official term on a general level. Furthermore, even "Stockholms kommun" is frequently used in Swedish, although maybe not by the municipality itself. The uniform use of "Municipality" would also mean that problems such as "Lidingö stad" are avoided.

As for the capitialization in "X Municipality" I'm quite sure it is correct, for the reasons suggested by Uppland. Note that we use capitalization in "X County" (which corresponds to the use in articles on specific U.S., UK and Canadian counties). Most Danish municipality articles seem to be simply at "X", a rather common practice for countries that haven't seen a thorough effort to create articles for all their administrative divisions. The Danish articles named "X municipality" seem to be the ones that don't follow Wikipedia capitalization policies.

As for the choice between "X Municipality" and "Municipality of X" I can't see much reason to change the current standard form, although I must confess I haven't really thought about it. Anyway, I think this should be carefully considered and discussed (preferrably at Talk:Municipalities of Sweden, with a note pointing there posted at WP:SWNB) before any moves are made. Can anyone give some relevant examples from other countries and/or policy/project pages on this? / Alarm 18:21, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Early Swedish history

I saw your addition of Early Swedish History to the to-do list. Could you please add a sentence or two to "Requests for attention/review" on the Swede NB giving a hint of what is wrong with it (including, maybe, the capitalised H in the title?) and, if possible, what could be done about it? / Alarm 22:11, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Strange statements about Lidingö

• Discussion moved to Talk:Lidingö Municipality

[edit] Municipalities again. Oh, and I'll be away for a while.

Since I said I would get back to you later in my last reply, I'm doing that now. If only to say that after thinking about it some more I haven't got much more to say... I support the general idea, and I'll try to contribute to any effort to split the "big four", while I might not be as enthusiastic about working with the rest. However, any such work will probably have to wait a while, since I'll be away on vacation from Monday August 1. Most probably I won't log in at all until I'm back, August 16. If you have the time, it would be great if you could keep an extra eye on the Swedish notice board during my absence, as well as watching out elsewhere (WP:VfD, WP:RM etc) for items that would fit the "News" section. I'm a bit afraid that some of the newcomers might lose interest if nothing happens at the notice board for a long period. Alarm 20:36, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Ok. I will myself be away for a chess tournament in Karlskrona from 4th to 8th August, and then will go to my grandparents in Gotenburg for at least some 5 days. --Fred-Chess 20:45, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

Ok. I'll notify Tup as well. Good luck at the chess tournament! / Alarm 20:59, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Images

Thanks Fred! Yes, I am familiar with what they represent. One of them depicts the graves of the fallen of the Battle of Bråvalla, and the other one depicts a famous ornamented stone. Please, I'd love to see more scanned images, especially romantic art from the 19th century and the early 20th century (a time when great painters illustrated this matter).--Wiglaf 19:13, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Ok I'll keep it in mind. Have to admit though that I only scanned them because I was doing scans of cities from Suecia antiqua et hodierna and recognized the names of those images. Tow other peculiar images were a map of "Troja in Småland" and "Vittalia in Småland" (volume III, nr 99 & 100) and a map of "Bråvalla Hed" (volume III, nr 84), an illustration of an "Ättestupa" (vo. III nr 50-51) and the graves of "Kung Ring och Kättil Runskes" (III, 62) and of "King Sverker" (III, 63). I have not intended to scan the entire book (at least not now), but you can find the illustrations on KB. --Fred-Chess 19:38, July 31, 2005 (UTC)

I am glad that you scanned them. I will add one of them right away to the Battle of Bråvalla article. Any images that you feel like scanning will be welcome.--Wiglaf 20:15, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Fred, it would be nice if you would scan all of them eventually. No hurry, of course. It will also prevent somebody else from being tempted to steal the ones at the KB website (I was almost tempted to do so...), as they would presumably be free according to U.S. copyright law, but covered by Swedish copyright. I think it is less immoral/illegal to scan them from an older printed facsimile than to take the high resolution digital photos directly from KB. A matter of interpretation, I guess, but that is my gut feeling about this. u p p l a n d 20:25, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

I believe that we need not worry about the copyright issues, as Wikipedia is located physically in the US.--Wiglaf 20:27, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

For the record, I recently had a conversation with Thuresson about copyrights. We both held the opinion from what we had read about jurisdictions from other countries, and from various legal guides, that the importance is not so much were the servers are located, but who the targetted audience is. Thuresson gave me an example from Australia, and I referred to a Swedish website I read about photographical copyrights, that made the same suggestion. So Swedish wikipedia, written in Swedish to an audience in Sweden, has to pay attention to Swedish copyright laws. I guess it would apply if the material is uploaded by, or on behalf of, Swedish people.

I have had several discussions with Thuresson about this on wikimedia commons and Swedish wikipedia and he is always kind and answers. He also let me know that photografies in Sweden are always copyrighted for at least 50 years even if they have no verkshöjd. This would apply to photos on KG for instace. Photos from KB would probably be OK on english wikipedia , but not on wikimedia commons perhaps? But I agree with Uppland that it is better to be safe than sorry.

Well Uppland , I am not in a hurry to scan in the 200 or so mansions in Sweden that don't even have articles yet... If you have a particular requst , notice me and I'll do it.

The facsimile from 1982/83 is a reprint from an edition in 1924. However, the 1924 edition has fold out images which would make them easier to scan, so grab a copy if you can (it waighs some 10 kgs though). Now we have to do with uglyness such as Image:Suecia_Göteborg.jpg.

Fred-Chess 21:17, July 31, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Knowledgeable / knowledgable

I’m sorry, “knowledgeable” is the only valid spelling. You get so many Google hits for “knowledgable” because it is a very common mistake, but no dictionary acknowledges that spelling. Regards, Sam Hocevar 16:14, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] SWNB

I removed the SBH info from the main SWNB page yesterday and made a subpage Wikipedia:Swedish Wikipedians' notice board/Biography. I suggest we make similar subpages for geography, history and other topics and leave the main page for 1) links to the subpages, and 2) very current things. u p p l a n d 16:39, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Fred, I just want to inform you that I've replied to this suggestion on my talk page. / Alarm 09:38, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Uploaded images from Commons

Fred, I can't find Dankell's Copenhagen image on Commons. If you know what it's called there, then could you please link the Oresund Region to the Commons version? I'll delete the Wikipedia version once it's been orphaned. (I've orphaned and zapped the others.) Bishonen | talk 21:25, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Västerås Municipality / City of Västerås

Fred, I happened to notice that you moved Västerås Municipality to City of Västerås yesterday. How come? Should this be interpreted as an intention to move all other articles on municipalities calling themselves "City" to "City of X"?

Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but I can't see that this has been discussed anywhere except above on your talk page, where I dropped you a note saying I was very much against such a plan just the day before you moved the Västerås article - to which you haven't replied. Considering the fact that you scolded Bishonen and Peter Isotalo for not getting the chance to comment on the renaming of Scania to Skåne (an operation which had actually been discussed at some length in a largely relevant forum) I am somewhat surprised by your actions. Could you please engage in discussion before moving any other articles in a similar fashion? (Perhaps the discussion above could be copied to Talk:Municipalities of Sweden and continued there, to make it easier to find for anyone interested in the issue at hand.) / Alarm 12:58, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Hehe good point -- you spot my double morale. Well, there is no such place as a "Västerås Municipality" so at least that can't be right? There is however a "City of Västerås", which is also "the municipality of Västerås" , but I preferred the first. --Fred-Chess 13:04, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

I would value some consistency. Please see my comments above. I think it could well be argued that "Västerås Municipality" is the most logical English name for an article about the municipality, including its surrounding non-urban area. I take it that you mean that since the municipality uses "Västerås Stad" this should be regarded as the only existing proper name, excluding the possibility of a capitalization of "Municipality". I (and, it seems, Uppland) don't necessarily agree with you on this (I'd like to check what the Government uses), but I would definitely have "Västerås municipality" as my second choice, rather than "City of Västerås". (I can see you've been moving a large number of articles from "X Municipality" to "X municipality" as well, and I can't see any trace of broader discussion about that either.)

My point is that all the municipal articles have been placed at "X Municipality" for quite some time. The only thing I've seen users arguing for is that the articles about the urban areas are covered in separate articles titled "X" only. This, in my eyes, is a kind of consensus around "X Municipality" as the title for all articles on municipalities. I don't exclude the possibility that there are better alternatives, but before starting to move things around a thorough discussion should be held. If we can reach a rough consensus for another alternative, all municipality articles ought to be moved in a swift and coordinated effort, to avoid confusion and inconsistency. / Alarm 13:34, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

PS. Either we should copy the whole preceding discussion to Talk:Municipalities of Sweden or we should continue here. Otherwise it doesn't help anyone to understand what is going on, it just gets impossible to follow. I'm copying all the relevant text, including this reply. Hope you don't mind. / Alarm 13:34, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dialect cats

I see you're recating the Swedish dialects. However "dialects of Sweden" is slightly misleading, since it might as well include dialects of any language spoken in Sweden. It should be "Swedish dialects" if anything. However, I really recommend not adding more cats than necessary. "Swedish language" isn't exactly crowded.

Peter ^Isotalo 13:19, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Ok, I'll call it "Swedish dialects". I thought you'd agree, as fevorously as you wanted Skånska to be a dialect and not a language? Are Halländska and Småländska languages in Sweden? I think they have nothing to do in that category; the category should be reserved for the minority languages I think. --Fred-Chess 13:21, August 21, 2005 (UTC)

Why not call it Category:Swedish language varieties? u p p l a n d 15:52, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Well... why not call them dialects if they are known as such....? :-) --Fred-Chess 17:39, August 21, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Move

It has been done.--Wiglaf 22:20, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

OK. I noticed it, and changed appearances of "Scanian" to "skånska" right after. --Fred-Chess 09:43, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Another hip hop image

If you have the time and willingness I'd very much appreciate another hiphop related photo on the Swedish hip hop page; there's an awfully lot of empty space next to the list of rappers. Sorry for pestering you. --Tsaddik Dervish 18:17, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Trefoldighedskirken

Hej Fred

Det er et rigtig godt billede af Trefoldighedskirken i Christianstad. Jeg sad lige og savnede et godt billede af den. Thumbs up! --Valentinian 19:42, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Translating de:Wohlfahrtsstaat Schweden

I don't know if you've noticed that there is an article called Social Security (Sweden). It is mostly about the pension system. Perhaps this should be merged with the potential translation of the German article. Since "welfare" as a standalone word roughly means socialbidrag in the U.S., "Social Security" might actually be a better title than "welfare system" ("Welfare state" might work, but such an article should rather cover the origins and political debate about the welfare state, whereas the German article seems to mainly concern itself with the technical details of the current system, right? Social welfare in Sweden is another possibility - see Social welfare.) Also note that the Wikipedia articles generally avoid the rather ugly "apostrophe-s"-construction in favour of "X of Sweden", "X in Sweden" and less frequently "Swedish X"./ Alarm 20:35, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Hi Alarm. Nice to see you noticed this addition. I generally don't write much on Sundays, I need one resting day after all... just some minor edits, and besides, Sunday is coming to an end...

Your titles may surely be better suggestions. My dictionary translates välfärd into "welfare, welfare state" so I went with that. "Social Security (Sweden)" seems too disambig-forced. I would be fine with Social welfare in Sweden though, and create redirect from all other suggestions.

I have started favouring, say, "Sweden's Government" or "Sweden's system" as expressions lately. I think this has come in use in the English language for countries and geography. I found some interesting links using this expression, such as http://flfl.essortment.com/governmentswede_rbfh.htm and http://www.cin.org/archives/cinjust/199808/0175.html (both questioning our welfare system, as it seems to be right in the eye of the American one. )

I don't know if you noticed my latest comment on SWNB talk page? At the header "Comment" -- intuitive, no?

Fred-Chess 21:17, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

I've changed this accordingly on todo. As for "Sweden's" it is certainly grammatically correct, but on Wikipedia prepositional constructions seem to be the standard, and when referring to countries I think it is more common in general. The sources you're pointing towards can't really be considered in any way official. I think [6] is a more relevant link to consider (also, it turns up another naming possibility...) My belief is that it is generally considered a bit more formal than the 's-form.

I did notice your comment on the talk page, but since sub-articles are already used in Stockholm and many other articles, I didn't really understand if you were proposing some sort of structural or stylistic change.

Also, a brief note on why I listed Abisko on the to-do list, since you commented on that in your edit summary: You have to start somewhere, don't you? I couldn't really list them all, but I thought Abisko was a good start. It obviously worked... ;-) / Alarm 21:43, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] National Holiday of Sweden

Someone has a question about one of your edits at Talk:National holiday of Sweden. I am not really sure myself of what you intend to say with that sentence. Jeltz talk 17:10, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] WP:SWNB/Good articles vote

Hi, I see you've created a first draft. I will have a few comments on the contents, but I'll get back to you later about that (if you think you're done - if not, let me know, and I'll hold off until you are). I just wanted to say that if I haven't misunderstood the way it works, you can't use the shortcut in the name if you want an article to be a proper subpage to the other page. This is a subpage to the redirect. It ought to be named Wikipedia:Swedish Wikipedians' notice board/Good articles vote. But - and perhaps more importantly - I think it might be better to first move it to User:Fred chessplayer/Good articles vote and work on it there, until the draft has been polished and we have consensus on the process. / Alarm 12:35, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Yea, I justed wanted to test if it worked that way. It didn't. Fred-Chess 12:41, September 1, 2005 (UTC)

Article moved to User:Fred chessplayer/Good articles votes. Please feel free to polish on it. Fred-Chess 12:45, September 1, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Stockholm, the seat of Solna Municipality?

Not taking the previous scandalous desinformation into account ;-) the sentence

It is the seat of 10 different municipalities; all but Botkyrka where the seat is located in the urban area Tumba.

does sound a bit odd to me. The consequence is that it states Stockholm is the seat of Solna Municipality, which is... a bit problematic, although I see what it wants to say. How about

The seats of 10 different municipalities are (considered to be) located within the Stockholm urban area.

/ Alarm 15:24, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Or: "The seats of all but one of these municipalities have come to form a conurbation with Stockholm. " Fred-Chess 15:26, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

Sounds even better. Go for it. Oh, and wikilink conurbation for clarity. / Alarm 15:33, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

The inspiration came from article Malmö. Fred-Chess 15:36, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for your support

Hi Fred, just a quick note to thank you for your support on my RfA. I was pleased to see so much support, especially from people such as you who I do not know very well, if at all. Now that I am an administrator I will do my best to please the community’s expectations. Best regards, Sam Hocevar 17:28, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Jesper Swedberg.png has been listed for deletion

An image or media file you have uploaded, Image:Jesper Swedberg.png, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you.

[edit] Cornelis image

Fred, thanks for trying, but what makes you think the copyright holder has granted permission? Do you have more info than appears on the image description page? Because otherwise that's not Fair Use at all, I'm afraid. Bishonen | talk 12:40, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

I have no more information. But who is to complain? We are promoting the book... I see no reason why that should be problematic... Fred-Chess 12:47, September 10, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sweden municipalities

I am extremely grateful for your pointing me to the place where the discussion is held, once I understand what you were talking about. You linked me to Talk:Övertorneå but that page doesn't exist???? I eventually found Talk:Övertorneå Municipality and my comment there is several months old. IMO "before you start moving things around" is a pretty insulting way of putting it. It sounds like you assume I will bo berzerk? / Habj 10:48, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Well that was what I initially did, as you can see from Talk:Municipalities of Sweden. Fred-Chess 11:56, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Promotional Cornelis image

Sorry I haven't replied, Schack! It's not that I don't appreciate what you're doing, but things have been a bit hectic. "Promotional" does sound promising, but there are a couple of minor reasons I'm not sure about it. I've been sort of planning to ask people on #wikipedia, where you can usually find some copyright cops hanging out. I'll try to get it sewn up next time I'm on IRC. Meanwhile, do please leave the image in the article for now, and delete my request, yes. Sorry to be so scatterbrained. Bishonen | talk 23:16, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Provinces and counties

As the provinces and the counties have distinctly different histories, and as you can't merge all of them anyway, I think it is better to let them remain separate and in their own categories. u p p l a n d 13:46, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Västergötland

Good work on Västergötland. I have made a few small additions, and corrections. I removed the Battle of Gestilren, since scholars place it in Uppland.--Wiglaf 21:17, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Scania

Hey Fred, Thanks for the help on the Scanian pages. Mind you, Scanian lands is a redirect, maybe it would be neat to link it directly to Skåneland. Ciao, --The Minister of War 16:25, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for being appreciative.

Yes, I know of that.... I think that "Scanian lands" are the more correct term, being English and descriptive, so thus I link to that. // Fred-Chess 16:36, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

I understand, but because the link will redirect, it costs server time. Another more efficient option would be to link directly, but keep the descriptive name, like this: [[Skåneland|Scanian lands]], resulting in: Scanian lands.

Greets, --The Minister of War 08:30, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

It is possible that the article will be moved one day. At least, it is my hope. // Fred-Chess 15:36, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

You want to move Skåneland to Scanian lands? Shouldnt we prefer the actual original name? --The Minister of War 16:16, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

That is an interesting question. I think that "Scanian lands" is a geographical denomination that could be freely translated into any language. The term "Skåneland" is different, because "Skåneland" translates to "Scania Country", and is perhaps more of a regionalistic term. // Fred-Chess 16:32, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Kurdish images

Thanx for the note. I have to re-tag many of the images I uploaded, because many people are not sure what is meant by "provided by Zereshk". Some images I took myself, some I did not. At any rate, I will re-tag questionable images, if marked with unclear source. Thanx.--Zereshk 23:19, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Sweden 1658.png

I must say that I am not a big fan of the union of orange and brown. Wouldn't orange and yellow be separable for color-blind people? --Salleman 14:05, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

I can look into that... I think contrasting colours should be preferred in such maps in any case. Dark yellow and light yellow makes it hard to distinguish on thumbnails for instance... // Fred-Chess 14:11, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Talk:Skånska#Requested moved I have altered single "first past the post" vote to approval voting so that we can try to reach a consensus. Please check that your vote still reflects your position as I may have misunderstood your voting intentions or you may wish to vote for more than one proposal. Philip Baird Shearer 21:50, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Stockholm

Please remember that Wikipedia is always "live" to the public. So adding [[:Image:Example.jpg]] a dozen times to create a new structure is not an ideal situation. It's like leaving naked mannikins in the store window. We should rapidly replace them with proper images or remove them. -Willmcw 09:57, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ava Vincent images

Hello! I noticed that you have removed the links to DVD covers from the Ava Vincent article. If I reduce the size of those images to thumbnail size (so that there is no way they could be duplicated for pirating purposes), would that be considered acceptable fair-use? Olessi 00:59, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

I have based my image uploading based on a conversation I had with Lupo last month. From Wikipedia:Image_copyright_tags: "Covers of various media - note all of these require a reduced-quality image, insufficient for quality reproduction or bootlegging purposes, and also that they illustrate articles about the media item itself, not a tangentially related subject." I do not know if a gallery would be considered such a subject. I suppose asking the Village Pump would be the best bet. Olessi 01:59, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Actually, I have posted the inquiry at Wikipedia_talk:Image_copyright_tags. Olessi 02:36, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Mighty Mouse

Thanks for finding the free picture. The non freeness of this has been annoying me for quite some time, as you might see from the history of the file. The picture is much better than the apple one too. Justinc 01:30, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Infobox

Okay. :) I just thought it was looking ugly having the text at the top but the infobox floating a row down from the top. :) Well, your change brought my attention to the problem with the text not starting at the top of the article, so I fixed it in all articles. :) -- Elisson • Talk 16:59, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Template/Workshop

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[edit] Swedish landskap

In fact I'd like to introduce the coats of arms in an article about Swedish landskap on the Polish wikipedia. The wikipedia has got the rule that only free pictures can be used there. Your message did not clarify my concerns about the possibility to use the pictures in the Polish wikipedia, but it also clarified that to resolve this issue one must know a good deal of international law. Maybe you have an opinion on wheather the pictures can be moved to Commons? This would be enough to make them visible in my article. Alx-pl D 07:41, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Malmö.png

Excuse me... could you explain to me what was wrong with that image? I somehow don't get it: why revert to the smaller version? Lupo 08:33, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Oh darn. Thanks for setting me straight. Since I hadn't loaded that page before, I didn't think about caching problems. Lupo 08:52, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] University or college?

You edited the Gävle article, changing university to university college. The website for the university/college says it's a university, unsure which is correct. Have opened up discussion on the article's Talk:Gävle discussion page. I'm not saying you're wrong, I don't even know the place. --Oscarthecat 20:47, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Furby, Sweden

The article was written by the hard-banned user User:Kenneth Alan, a user whose mission it was to improve the lack of information about the North European Iron Age with his own creativity. Sometimes, it is hard to know what is reasonable speculation and what is pure fantasy in his contributions, and I had hoped that article just remain ignored through the lack of links to it.--Wiglaf 12:57, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Ok I see. Thanks. I'll avoid linking to it, but if there is such a town, it will probably be linked to from the municipality it is in. I also noted a very visible link from article Furby :-) // Fred-Chess 13:01, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Oops, I noticed this after editing Furby, Sweden. My edit consisted of categorisation, the removal of the statement that Furby is in Roslagen (which it isn't) and the removal of two external links which supplied no extra info. Furby does exist, as you can see here. 130.243.135.145 16:16, 16 December 2005 (UTC) (Essin on :sv)

No problem. Thanks. / Fred-Chess 00:31, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The settlers versions

First of all, thank you for your contributions; I particulary saw your work on The Settlers article and liked most of it. Now, I've seen you've replaced the image in The Settlers with Image:The_Settlers_VGA.png. I didn't like it at first, but I've put the original one back again without removing the new one you placed because I wanted to first discuss this with you.

Now, my questions:

• In my version of "The Settlers", SVGA is just an option in options menu. Do two versions (VGA and SVGA) of the game really exist? If you can elaborate on that on the article, It'll make the article nicer and me happier.
• Your image is sized the same than the one I originally placed (640x480), but yours is from the non-SVGA mode. It is both obviosly upscaled and does have some black border. Shouldn't it be 320x200 or something more like the original VGA 256-color modes? How did you take that screenshot?.

Thank you. Rvalles 02:02, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Responed at talk:The Settlers. // Fred-Chess 15:11, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sister Cities: List or Paragraph...???

User:Derek.cashman wants to change, and thinks, that all "Sister cities" lists in articles should be converted/changed to "paragraph" form. I don’t want to. Can you imagine a lists of 26 sister cities, like for Istanbul, and trying to read it in paragraph form? Please read my opinion and info and vote. I would really like your input! WikiDon 07:37, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Just a quick hello

Hi, just wanted to drop in to let you know I haven't left this place for good, I'm just trying to avoid logging in and keeping myself busy here at a time when I've got too much things to deal with in real life. Call it Wiki-detox if you like... I noticed that you redesigned the SWNB. I have had some thoughts about it, but I'll keep a low profile until I have the time to actually contribute again. Also, I want you to know I intend to get back to keeping track of New articles. Unfortunately, I'll probably won't be able to deal with the amassed backlog, but I'll definitely check up on new additions - so please resist any urge to proclaim the page permanently defunct. My guess is that I'll be back in a few weeks. Cheers. / Alarm 18:48, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Swedish Woodcarvers

Just wanted to stop by and say thank you for your help with the correct spellings of Swedish cities, towns, and villages. It is amazing how many books I have that spell the same city name different ways. Kaiserb 20:23, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] History of Sweden

I'd prefer to have it as a subpage of my user page, but I don't see any problem with a link to the page from the notice board. -- Elisson • Talk 19:22, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, but I have no interrest in managing the notice board, or rather, I have no time over to manage it. I've already got my real life ;), WikiProject Football, Football Portal and a lot of other things to handle. I also see potential in the board, but I am not the right man to make it grow. Sorry. :( -- Elisson • Talk 17:19, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] my careless copying-and-pasting

Hello, Fred chessplayer. Thanks for cleaning up my careless copying-and-pasting of POV rubbish onto the Saint Lucy page. Have a fun and happy St. Lucia's Day next week. Cheers ! :-) -- PFHLai 23:40, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you! :-) / Fred-Chess 23:57, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] 13th Dublin

Please leave the images on 13th dublin alone. They are needed to tell the story. A story that is significant enough for South Dublin County Council to write a book about and to have its own wall in the museum in Whitechurch library. All pictures are owned by the unit so I have every right to share them on Wikipedia. If there are doubts please ask us, but do not remove them.

Kind Regards, Jorgen Jorgenpfhartogs 23:57, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Kalmar

Hej. Du brukar sköta om wikisidan Kalmar. Är det ok att jag har ersatt bilden (Kalmar Slott Postcard) med en gravyr av Kalmar? Tycker att den passar lite bättre, då har man ju chans att se hur Kalmar såg ut i slutet av 1600-talet samt att vi sidan inte bara innehåller bilder av Kalmar slott. ;)

Mvh: Fastson 23:59 GMT+1 12/12/05

This is of course no problem. I trust you editors. / Fred-Chess 00:35, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Kalmar picts

Will do! Merry Xmas ! Brookie :) - a collector of little round things! ^(Talk!) 14:09, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cultures of the World

Would you consider contributing? Perhaps a little summary for the European section. Or how about voting for it as collaboration of the week for this new but important article.--Culturesoftheworld 19:41, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image Sources

Tja. I've tried to provide/add good source information for the pictures I've uploaded now... Bronks 18 December, Tjugohundrafem.

[edit] Hello again

It's nice to be back - thanks for the welcome! Sorry if my Stockholm comments seemed a bit harsh. I think we have slightly different approches here. I'm sure we'll be able to reach a common standpoint, though. Anyway, I'm back, and I intend to check in regularly, but I don't think I will spend as much time here as I did a few months ago. I need a life outside Wikipedia as well... But I'd love to chat about this and that - and any briefing on what has been going on in the Swedish section of Wikipedia lately would of course be very much appreciated. Oh, and god jul! / Alarm 01:02, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Moving images to Commons

Hi Fred chessplayer,

Can I help you in doing this? -Aabha (talk) 21:05, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi.

Well, images need to be moved manually. It's not hard but takes some time.

Save the image (full size) on your hard drive. Upload it to commons. Add the same license tag to it, and mention the original creator, and a link to his user page. Also copy any information present on the image description page.

Then try and find an appropriate category for the commons image. I usually copy images related to Sweden, where I have designed the category system myself, so it isn't that hard, but in other cases it can be tricky.

Last, add the {{NowCommons}} tag to the original image. That's it.

It may look like this. Image:Zimmermans backe.jpg.

Fred-Chess 21:29, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Gotland

You said: In other words, go ahead. Just as long as you remove the ugly "merge" tag. :-)

Hello, Fred - I've been on Wiki for over 7 months now, (a note from me is on the very top of this page), but thanks for that welcome message, anyway... ;-) You know, the merge tags are useful! ;-) But since the "culture" article was a duplicate of what we have in the Gotland article, and also an orphan (not linked to from any article at all), I made it into a redirect instead. See the talk page there. Greetings, --Janke | Talk 21:59, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] AMA

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[edit] WP Babel

How does one go about getting that WP Babel box on his/her user page? Did you just copy it there or did someone else put it there?--Anthony5429 00:49, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Got the message - thanks! --Anthony5429 01:48, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Finland-Swedish

An anonymous editor (obviously pushing an agenda against the Swedish language in Finland; see contribs at Special:Contributions/84.231.217.70), repeatedly re-inserts a section about Finland in Apartheid_outside_South_Africa, claiming our country's constitutional bilingualism constitutes "Åpartheid". This is utter nonsense, and has been repeatedly removed by logged-in editors. This anon. also inserts POV material in Finland-Swedes, and posts mock vandalism warnings on reverting logged-in users' talk pages. Please keep an eye on this, thank you. --Janke | Talk 22:24, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

So, what am I supposed to do? / Fred-Chess 07:18, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, since you've already reverted some POV and/or vandalism on these page(s) (I got your user ID from the page history), I thought you might want to put the page(s) on your watchlist... but that's up to you, of course. (I have about 100 pages watchlisted, and do cath vandalism, POV, blanking, childish wordchanging ("poop") and linkspam every day. Bästa hälsningar, --Janke | Talk 16:30, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AMA Coordinator Election

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[edit] Images of Giorgio de Chirico

Thank you for your message. I have read Public_domain#United_States_law and have found nothing that suggests that this law only pertains to works first published in the United States. According to WP:PD "In the U.S., any work published before January 1, 1923 anywhere in the world is in the public domain".

As for the lack of source information, I did not see the necessity at the time as in the United States the photograph carries the same copyright as the original work. At that time I was not aware that other jurisdictions place a copyright on the photograph as well. However, I still have the original files on my hard drive and can easily trace their source. Justin Foote 22:39, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

From WP:PD I also read "the 1923 date does not apply to unpublished works." WP:PD#Published_vs._unpublished_works. So it is essential to find out when the work was first published. Paintings are usually not published. / Fred-Chess 06:08, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for raising this point about publication. I have also read about what the Berne Convention has to say about published vs. unpublished, and it raises questions about whether any work of two-dimensional art can belong in the public domain. Perhaps a work of art is not published until it is printed in a book? Could you help clarify this for me?

I have recently been considering replacing these tags with fair use art tags, but I am not sure how extensively this could be used.

I may be away on business for the next several days, so I may not be able to respond to new messages until the weekend. Justin Foote 19:20, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

I can not find a definite answer. You may well be correct that it is PD under the jurisdiction of the US... In that case, {{PD-art-US}} is perhaps the most appropriate tag. / Fred-Chess 08:31, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

As it turns out my business trip was postponed for this week, so it allowed me some time to trace the sources of these images. I also moves some of the most pertinent ones to the main article and uploaded low-res versions so they could qualify as fair use. Better safes than sorry.

I'm not sure at the moment if its worth while to remove the text-linked images. At some point in the next few months I plan to add more de Chirico painting articles if I can find enough information.

Thanks for the help you’ve offered on this issue. Justin Foote 22:12, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Kven (what a sorry mess!)

Hey Fredde! I know that you have been involved in the almost hopeless struggle to transform the Kven ("a.k.a. Qvan, Qven, Qvun, Qvin, Qvyn, Qvån, Qvün, Qvoon" &cetera ad nauseam) article into a decent encyclopedic piece of text. I myself have pretty much given up on it, but I am still checking for progress or regression every now and then... What are your spontaneous thoughts on that whole mess? If it were a school report I personally would simply erase everything and start over from scratch. Oh well. Cheers. =J //Big Adamsky 20:51, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi.

It is possible we could transwiki it to Wikibooks. The title could be "A Historical Appraisal of the Kvens" or something like that. In that way we get it out from Wikipedia, while still maintaining the writings of the author. What do you think? / Fred-Chess 21:12, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I had never heard of Wikibooks before now so I don't know what it's for or what to make of it. All I know is that the Kven article makes my eyes sleepy when I try to read it, and that it is full of original research, neologisms (perhaps coined by the anonymous author him/herself?) and multiple repetitions to the point of brainwashing, and that the talk page repeats all of this in a way that would simply be unacceptable in a "normal" dictionary or encyclopedia. //Big Adamsky 22:02, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Original research

Hi Fred C. I think that it is important that the template denoting possible unpublished research conducted by individual WP users remain. This is because the templates automatically add the article to their proper category and also because they help identify the [alleged/perceived] problems with the article more specifically as opposed to more generally. Thanks //Big Adamsky 11:10, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Basically noting the facts are disputed should be enough, I think, but Okay, it doesn't matter much to me. / Fred-Chess 11:12, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Having four tags on top of a page just seems redundant to me. Tags are supposed to draw attention to a page and I think we don't have to tag for everything. / Fred-Chess 11:14, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

The main problem with the current version of the article, in my opinion, is its failure to distinguish between the contemporary Norwegian ethnic group known as Kven Finns, which according to this source is considered to be a different ethnic group from both Swedish Tornedalian Finns, Finnish Finns and their common ancestral parent group from which all Finnic peoples are assumed to have evolved. Moreover, I suspect the term "Kvenland" to be a neologism coined [by a wikipedian?] in analogy with Lapland, but I cannot be entirely certain. Your thoughts on this? //Big Adamsky 11:37, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes it appears the author wants to claim a heritage to the ancient Kwens.

The proper solution as I see it to read the standard references on the subject and write an article based on that. It's not my primary priority in life but I'll keep it in mind. I tried to search for the mentioned references but the city library doesn't have it. I don't know if you have better luck?

Fred-Chess 11:46, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Hang on, the library has this one, although this is not one of the article references: Vilkuna, Kustaa ; Kainuu - Kvänland, ett finsk-norsk-svenskt problem / Kustaa Vilkuna ; övers. från finskan av Johan Mickwitz ; Utgivning Uppsala 1969. I'll look into it when I'm at the library.

Fred-Chess 12:03, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Thanks

You're welcome! Apostrophes are a tiny thing, compared to writing the articles; thank you for contributing. :) —Serein 19:33, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lucy

Har du aldrig hört tallas om Lucias gärningar va? Swedenman 18:48, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

(Swedish) Jag har inget intresse i att diskutera detta mer med dig.

(English) I have no more interest in talking about this with you.

Fred-Chess 19:02, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Hello Fred! That's the spirit! Don't feed the trolls. FYI: Swedenman is identical with Filipman on Swedish wikipedia, where he has been blocked 8 times so far. Probert 19:35, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Hello.

I am well aware of Filipman and his actions on Swedish Wikipedia. They are tired of him, and so am I. And you too, I presume? :-)

Yet he is young, 12 or 13 years old, and means no harm. I don't want to block him indefinately. You figure something out...?

Fred-Chess 19:52, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

"Means no harm"? "12 or 13 years old"? Huh? This may be so, but his actions harms English wikipedia. If he continues these unreflecting edit wars, maybe you can block him for a week? Probert 19:57, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

No disrespect, I respect your dedication, but adding category:Humanitarians to a few articles is not harmful in a bigger context... I guess I could block him for another 24 hours if he is persistant. But I can't just block people unliterally, as I'm sure you understand.... Being an admin does not give me more power, I have to follow the policies too... / Fred-Chess 20:05, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

I appreciate your explanation and your concern about this user, but his tiresome edit wars must come to an end. Take a look at the page history for the article about Bill Gates... Probert 20:44, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bill Gates

Men snälla låt det vara där ochså. Han hade category:Humanists till det visade sig att det är inte som man trodde om den kategorin. Swedenman 12:50, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

P.S. kan du säga åt Probert att sluta med sina "regeringskrig". Mvh Swedenman 12:53, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Google Search

Hello, I thought you might be interested to know that if you do this search at Google your Wikipedia User page comes up as the one and only result - but I'm not sure why ! No Guru 22:43, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Nice to excell at something! :-)

I had a section on my user page for "spelling errors I make over and over again". But that was back in July 2005. You can see it here though (at the bottom)... [7]

Fred-Chess 22:49, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] David Quinn (Actor)

Thanks for your edits to this article. I'm not sure if you are aware, several weeks ago this was the subject of an edit war. One of the users involved recently reverted all of your changes. I reinstated them. This young editor was one of the people involved in the edit war. I left a note on their talk page asking them to not continue to delete all of your edits. I am hoping that they will get more involved in the spirit of Wikipedia and contact you to collaborate. It's probably no big deal to you, but I just thought you might want to know.

P.S. user is User:71.197.148.37

TheRingess 04:57, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. I'll keep it on my watchlist but I have no plans on edit it again.

I realized for wording of one sentence was bad. I had to change "A new found passion of secondary education" but to call it "The field of secondary education" sounds wrong. Maybe you could fix it?

It was recently edited again to a shorter state. [8]. But why can't it say what Quinn did after acting, and how he got started in acting? I find that interesting and it's the kind of things one could expect finding in a Wikipedia bio.

Fred-Chess 10:26, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dag Hammarskjöld

Kan du säga åt Probert att sluta redera. Nu vet att han redera bara för att djävlas. Mvh Swedenman 13:10, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't understand Swedish that well, but I have a pretty good idea what the troll Swedenman says. He is simply not fit to edit articles! Mind you, he has been blocked 1 time on en: wiki and 8 times on sv: wiki... Probert 15:27, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

It is irrelevant how many times he has been blocked. If you think that having been blocked makes him automatically a troll, then I'm ready to agree with Swedenman claims that you're out to mess with him.

I find the category suitable for Dag Hammarskjöld. You can reply at talk:Dag Hammarskjöld.

Fred-Chess 21:01, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Do not forget that Swedenman has abused other wikipedians [9]. And you have called his editing "trolling" [10]. Probert 22:04, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

I am aware of that, thank you.

Fred-Chess 22:06, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Finland-Swedes & Finland

The same anon. is back again after some weeks of hiatus, inserting his/her POV, and doing a minor edit after that, to cover up. Just so you know. --Janke | Talk 06:54, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kven

Our kvens did not violate any policies that may lead to their blocking. On the other hand, the major rule is wikipedia:Verifiability. Therefore any addition that is not confirmed by reputable source may be reverted on sight, justified by a long tradition of adding original research and outright fantasies into the articles. If sources are in Finnsih or other non-English language, we have right to demand translation, with exact quotation for doube-checking. mikka (t) 18:21, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

I disagree, as the things I mentioned on your talk page would warrant a block per Wikipedia:Blocking_policy#Disruption. I'll check the opinions of other admins.

Fred-Chess 18:25, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Of cours, mine is not the last word. But I am not a "soft-hearted" admin and I would have bocked him right away if I smelled rat. But what "kvens" do is normal article editing, which is "normal functioning of wikipedia". That he persistently adds nonconfirmed material, is dealt in talk pages by requesting detailed justification of additions. Otherwise simply revert. YOu may also use WP:RFC to make your stand supported by community. Please remember, blocking is for really ugly and nasty behavior. Even multiple accounts are not forbidden, unless they are used to violate wikipedia policies. mikka (t) 18:37, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks mikka, I appreciate that you clarify your stand.

In my opinion, it will be necessary to ban the user sooner or later. I get a bad taste from his constant harassments and unwillingness to write factual.

I encourage others to give their comments too.

Fred-Chess 19:00, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Swedenman - violation of 3RR

Hi Fred! As you can see [11] user:Swedenman has violated the 3RR. Shouldn't he be blocked now? Probert 20:05, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok blocked for 30 minutes. Fred-Chess 20:21, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, but shouldn't he be blocked for 24 hours? See your block 6 March 2006. Probert 20:27, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Yea, that was partly punishment for disruptive behaviour. This is just to stop his revert-war.

Also: as you can see on WP:3RR, admins decide the time as they seem suitable, up to a maximum of 24 hours. / Fred-Chess 20:49, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

FYI: User:Swedenman has once again violated the 3RR, see [12]. Probert 13:43, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

User:Swedenman, freshly returned from his blocking has added Muqtada al-Sadr & Che Guevara (and Saint Lucy) to the Humanitarians category again. I ask that you move to do as you warned him and block him. Thanks. --Aegwyn 14:45, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

I blocked him for 24 hours. See block log for rationale.

He's added category:Humanitarians to Muqtada al-Sadr ten times in last five days; and eight times to Che Guevara, and i don't want to count other articles but feel free to do so.

If anyone thinks I shouldn't have blocked him, or if you wish to express your support, just let me know, thanks.

Fred-Chess 17:48, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

He's [back]. Not paying any attention to warnings.

Swedenman never learns, does he? [13] Probert 17:28, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

On top of the above, Saint Lucy & a new one, Mikhail Gorbachev have been added to the humanitarians list. --Aegwyn 11:11, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm, I had annulled user:Gator1's 1-week block by mistake. [14]

Fred-Chess 11:21, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Noticeboard notice bombed

Hi, Fred, you called recently for listing Swedish-related articles at the Swedish noticeboard, but I don't know — I was a little disappointed at the lack of interest in Obli's post here. S. A. Andrée's Arctic balloon expedition of 1897 is the first large-scale "Swedish" article I've written, and I'm planning to move it from Peer Review to FAC in a few days. I was hoping for a little reference-checking first, by people who can actually read my references, so the FACers who can't could see that somebody did. Bishonen | ノート 09:46, 15 March 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Angående RfC request om Swedish Democrats

Hej

Vill bara påpeka att det inte direkt är till vår hjälp att du indikerar att detta nog är ett hopplöst fall. Vi behöver verkligen en eller flera neutrala personer som kan hjälpa oss.

Jag hoppade in i ämnet ganska oerfaren av Wikipedia och befann mig fort i ett edit-war, där en hel del fula knep och ord utväxlades. Jag har lugnat ner mig ganska mycket och är hur nöjd som helst om det blir en någotsånär NPOV sida som resultat. Jag medger öppet att jag är medlem i partiet, för att det tydligt skall framgå att jag åsiktsmässigt är partisk. Men det betyder inte att jag fanatisk och oresonlig. Tillsvidare gör jag inga som helst editeringar på sidan, utan nöjer mig med att argumentera. Jag följer alla råd från dom "hjälpande" editorerna till 100%. Jag har föreslagit att editorerna skall ha auktoritet att få ta beslut när vi kör fast men tyvärr inte lyckats få det igenom.

Förstår jag Wiki's struktur rätt skall det inte gå att köra fast om åtmindstonde den ena parten agerar fullt ut korrekt. Jag är fast besluten att agrera korrekt på alla sätt, så om du har tid och lust ta bort eller ändra din kommentar på RfC sidan kanske changsen ökar att vi får den hjälp vi så väl behöver.

MVH SweHomer 23:13, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Okay; I modified my writings at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Politics.

Regards, Fred-Chess 23:27, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] German Revolution.jpg

Hi, Fred. I took the image you have uploaded here and uploaded it to the Commons. Now people want to know where was it published, so they can decide if international copyright applies to it or if it can be used as if it is public domain. Do you have that info, and if so, could you give it to us here? Cheers, Mr.Rocks 18:49, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi. I am not the original uploader, I only re-uploaded it March 15 so that the Commons image could be deleted. The original uploader was User:Jonesy who isn't active here. / Fred-Chess 19:11, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Church

Sorry for miss placing is was in commons under a sweden category so i thought it would work well with the article. Gnangarra 07:42, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Joan of Arc

Thank you for responding to the request for comment. The reason I wanted the RfC to remain open is because the other editor has been trying to edit the article based on his family tree for an entire year. It's explicit in his edit comment dated 10 April 2005.[15] His very first edit dated 20 March 2005 changes Joan of Arc's birthdate to the one on his family tree (a date that seems to exist nowhere else).[16] He also thinks that his family tree is an authoritative reference for her surname. To highlight a few of his many related edits: May[17] - October[18] - November[19]. Other editors tried to explain the situation to him long before I became a Wikipedian. Over that year he has accused several editors who rejected his family tree of insulting or persecuting him. Since he appeared to be denying the early responses to RfC, I hoped that a normal duration request might finally settle the matter. Respectfully, Durova 19:40, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] image removed from railway page

hi mr. fred chessplayer, you recently removed an image from the lynton and barnstaple railway page. i added the image and said it had no liscense because i want sure. i clarified it with the website that was the source of the images and tried to change the lisceence but it seems i was unsucessful as it has been deleted. I put the photo up, anyone can use it i think, so could you please put it back on the article?

Well, the image has been deleted. If you want it back, you have to re-upload it. / Fred-Chess 21:21, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Swedenman

This guy is clearly a vandal and, with your permission, I'd like to go ahead and block him indefinately or at least much longer than one week. It's about time we dealt with this guy once and for all. I respect your block and wanted to come to you first. Thanks.Gator (talk) 13:57, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi. I hope you're watching my page.

I actually prefer the current 1-week at the time. But as was pointed out, it shouldn't just be me who blocks him.

Fred-Chess 18:47, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Muhamed

You may want to look into this rfc since you acted on a simlar incident on ANB/I recently. --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 15:24, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Swedish speakers

Hey Fred,

The Swedish language article doesn't have an obvious ref for the change you just made to the list of languages (9.3M for Swedish). Do you have a specific reference? Otherwise I'm afraid I'll need to revert to the 1986 figure. kwami 19:07, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't find that a specially good idea; Swedish language is a featured article, and I don't see why your unreferenced 1986 source should be more reliable than the number that it mentions. If you wish to question the source (which I too believe should be referenced, btw) then you should do that at the article's discussion page and not on my talk page; I didn't write the article. / Fred-Chess 21:24, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Your edit was sandwiched between two others that needed to be reverted, so I took all three out. We shouldn't be self-referencing, though. Shouldn't be too difficult to find a ref for Swedish, but I've been in enough arguments with other languages to want to do it myself. kwami 00:56, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough though I don't like the practice of reverting before discussion.

I know whom to ask and should provide a reference within shortly.

Fred-Chess 01:01, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, that was rather cheesy. Shear laziness, really - I'm getting a bit jaded trying to keep that article in shape. Anyway, Peter's always a good person to ask. kwami 07:34, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image suitability for commons?

Hi Fred, I am not too familiar with image handling and I notice that you work on the image move instructions. I would like to move this image to commons, but I think it does not have the required copyright notice because it does not give the source. Is that correct? If I do move it, I am not clear on the synatx to use a commons image in a page on the en wikipedia, just the regular [[Image:]] tags? - Rye1967 22:28, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Hello. The requirements have shaprened lately, and because the image lacks source I wouldn't upload it. I suggest you try and find the source first -- which shouldn't be too hard, it must be from a webpage of the European Council

And yes, invoking images is done with the standard image tag.

Regards, Fred-Chess 07:53, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Saw that

Yeah I saw that, but thanks for confirming. Just let me know.Gator (talk) 14:28, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

After coming off his most recent block, Swedenman continued with his "humanitarian" edits and I have blocked him indefianately. He didn't seem to learn and was really just asking to be banned. Just letting you know as an involved party.Gator (talk) 12:57, 7 April 2006 (UTC)