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Contents 1 ("Tribar") 2 [1] 3 On the one hand, on the other 4 TOC 5 White space 6 Germany/Belgium 7 Confusable is POV. We should change this to, Gallery of similar flags 8 Lithuania/Ibagué/Ærø 9 More US states?

[edit] ("Tribar")

What does "Tribars" mean in the context of this article? I don't see the threeness involved. Now if you had Latvia and Austria, then you might call them "tribars"... AnonMoos 17:26, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I reckon so... "dual-bar", "two-bar", "bibar" (!) instead...?  Regards, David Kernow (talk) 18:18, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

A stupid cut-and-paste error I think -- thanks for catching it. I replaced the section heading with "bicolor", as in Gallery of bicolor flags. Cheers, --ScottMainwaring 20:01, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] [1]

(rv - please note disclaimer in introduction: "organized by the number of main colors (disregarding, for example, colors in emblems)")

I felt the examples I moved involved three colors (albeit one passively) regardless of emblems...?  Perhaps the disclaimer needs rephrasing/extension...?  Regards, David Kernow (talk) 04:23, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] On the one hand, on the other

I'm beginning to wonder if spectra rather than sections might be more effective in this article... For instance, looking at the flags in #Blue at hoist onward, the following groupings seem as viable:

				...etc
Poland	Chile	Texas	N. Carolina
	Canton with star added, darker red	Canton becomes vertical band	Star emblem in band, red/white swapped

---

						...etc
Puerto Rico	Cuba	W. Papua	Liberia	Malaysia	USA
	Triangle/stripe colors swapped	Triangle becomes band, more stripes	Band becomes canton (plus color swap again)	Star in canton becomes sun-moon emblem	Multiple stars in canton

...in other words, create bands of flags where slight differences between each (of any kind) mean the first and last flag in each band might be significantly different from each other...?   Intriguing article, David Kernow (talk) 13:59, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Fascinating idea, but I see a couple of problems. First, I'm not sure that these complex morphing relationships of similarity can be captured along a single linear dimension; seems like branching would be required, tree-structures or some such, probably beyond the representational capability of Mediawiki. Second, I think this invites many more direct and indirect relations of similarity to be represented here, leading to this page ending up listing every flag in the world; but the intent of this page (originally a section of text on the Flag page) was to list the most "egregious" examples of similarity in flag design, as a kind of cautionary resource for readers interested in flag identification. --ScottMainwaring 15:41, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough; I agree re the linear limitation and page intent, plus the POV ordering (i.e. I recognize that other folk might prefer different orders). I noticed, however, that the layout I evolved above does bring more flags into view, so perhaps something like it might be used on the page...?   Thanks for your feedback, David (talk) 01:10, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

PS Perhaps not appropriate for this page, but maybe one NPOV criterion for a linear list of similar flags would be year of introduction...?

[edit] TOC

Have created a custom TOC as the automated TOC was becoming lengthy. Unfortunately, as there doesn't seem to be an automated equivalent at present (cf here), this will need to be updated manually whenever first or second-level headings are added/amended/removed. Hope this acceptable, David Kernow (talk) 02:27, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
PS Re the threads above, anyone else reading this page...?

I think the new table of contents is much improved. Thanks! --ScottMainwaring 15:30, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Glad you approve. Hopefully a more configuarable automated TOC will be implemented some day...  regards, David (talk) 01:10, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] White space

I'm finding when I look at the page that there's a lot of flags which look odd because they have a white section which isn't differentiated from the white background - particularly the Red/white flags section. Some have a thin red line round the white which gives the shape of it, but others don't, meaning that section looks almost like a selection of red rectangles in various shades and positions. I notice on the main "Gallery of Flags of Sovereign Countries", that all flags have some delineation of their whitespace - would it be possible to link to these images instead? Or, failing that, to background the flags on this page in grey? Brickie 13:00, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I've replaced the gallery code with the table code from Gallery of sovereign-state flags, for blue and white stripes and red (or maroon) and white: horizontal bicolors. -- Jeandré, 2006-12-23t22:36z

[edit] Germany/Belgium

I think that the German/Belgium flags are confusable. --Maddie 67.10.90.85 06:20, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Confusable is POV. We should change this to, Gallery of similar flags

--Steven X 06:00, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps, but how is "similar" any less POV? I'd argue that "similar" is actually more vague; flags can be similar (e.g., in their symbolism) without being confusable, but not vice-versa. --ScottMainwaring 07:25, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Well "similar" is somewhat less POV (In my opinion).--Steven X 10:33, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I see the thinking, but reckon "confusable" captures this page's use more effectively. Regards, David Kernow (talk) 09:24, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

"Commonly confused", perhaps?--Steven X 10:33, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lithuania/Ibagué/Ærø

What about these three flags... they seem "confusable" (tricolor yellow/green/red) to me and apparently a few others (see Talk:Flag_of_Lithuania#Similar_flags).

Here they are...

--Gleezus 14:20, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Good idea. Unfortunately, we don't have a nice .svg of the Ærø flag. Valentinian ^{T / C} 21:11, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] More US states?

Would it be a good idea to include more US state flags? Personally, I find the following rather confusing:

• AL&FL
• GA&MS
• CT, ID, KS, KY, ME, MI, MN, NE, NV, NH, NY, ND, PA, SD, UT, VT, and WA. Biruitorul 20:57, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Many of them are very similar to each other, so it sounds like a good idea to me. The most similar flags are probably all the dark blue flags with a badge, but the other examples are good too. Valentinian ^{T / C} 21:10, 25 February 2007 (UTC)